Has True Woman ministered to you? If so, please consider giving a gift today. Give Now

I'm Not Reading "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Dannah Gresh

Dannah Gresh | 05.28.12

1007 comments

I’m not reading Fifty Shades of Grey.

I wasn’t planning to announce this, but I can’t help myself. I told my husband, Bob, that I didn’t really want to get involved. But then, I found out my girlfriend’s seventy-year-old mom has her name on a long waiting list at the library to borrow Fifty Shades of Grey. And then my mom told me that a relative I love and respect for her strong faith had already devoured the book. She regretfully “can’t get the images out of her head.” So, here I am. In an attempt to keep the images out of yours, I’d like to explain to you why I’m not reading Fifty Shades of Grey.

Reason #1: Let’s start with the facts. Fifty Shades of Grey is classified as erotic fiction. According to one online dictionary, this genre of literature is defined as that which has “no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire.” I’ve been studying what God says about sexuality for fifteen years. According to Him, there is only one who should stimulate sexual desire in me: my husband. Since that’s God’s plan for my sexual desire, anything other than my husband creating arousal in me would be missing the mark of God’s intention. (Translation: It is sin.) Jesus said it this way: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” The same is true of a woman looking at or reading about a man. Reason #1? I believe reading erotica is sinful.

I guess I could stop there, but it won’t be enough for some of you. So let’s go to reason number two.


Reason #2: The Bible has said for thousands of years that lust is hurtful and harmful. Guess what? Biopsychologists and others are studying the effects of lust, pornography, and erotica on the brain and the body. They are finding that the Bible was, in fact, right. Over time, your body becomes conditioned to self-stimulation and gratification. It’s not just a preference. It’s physiological. The lust cuts a literal pathway in your brain tissue that’s kinda like a rut. A rut you better be prepared to get stuck in. While at first a little bit of erotica might give you a taste for your spouse, over time that rut reminds you how great you are at self-stimulation and how powerful your imagination can be. You’ll become less interested in real sex with your husband. (Both SELF magazine and The New Yorker ran articles on this phenomenon in recent years. They both suggested that if you want to have a great sex life, you better push pause on porn!) The fact is, erotica robs you of real sex. It’s not good for your marriage or future marriage.

Reason #3: Okay, we’re girls. And, sadly, a few of our guys have looked at porn. How’d that work for ya? How’d it make you feel? Did it cross your mind that you could never compare to the perfection created by lights, camera, and Photoshop? Well, he can’t compare to a plasticized, vanilla interpretation of manhood either.

Reason #4: Do you know what BDSM is? Bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism. If you don’t know what those words mean, be glad. If you do know, you should understand that the most damaging part of Fifty Shades of Grey is that God created sex to be a partnership that’s fueled by love and self-giving, not pain and humiliation. It’s not just that this book misuses sex, it redefines it into something evil as the lead character dominates in a hurtful manner. How woman can enjoy that, I can’t understand! But I do have a theory. It seems to me that in our emasculating culture there is a hunger so great for strong men that women will stoop to bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism for just a taste. Do yourself a favor, don’t!

You might be wondering if I’ve read the book. I haven’t. I don’t need to. There are many things in this world I need not partake in to discern that they are going to be harmful to me. God has given me more than fifty shades of truth in His Word and when just one of them is in conflict with my entertainment choices, I choose to pass! To be clear: I wouldn’t drive my Envoy into the front of an oncoming semi-truck any more than I would open the pages of Fifty Shades of Grey. I love my marriage, my God, and myself too much.

If your heart resonates with mine, please take a moment today to post these words on Facebook or Twitter: “I’m not reading Fifty Shades of Grey.” If you have friends who need help understanding why, send them to this blog. I’d be happy to explain!

Comments

  1. My child's tutor was talking about a popular book that was all the rage and was on a long list to take it out of the library. I had never heard of it and neither had the other woman present. She stated that it was erotica and we both stated no wonder we had not heard of it. This was the book. Feel sorry for her.
    posted by Maureen Briggs-Amador
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 8:20 am
  2. A few years ago, God asked me to give up all fiction reading. To this day I have had no regrets. I will pass this info on to others that might mention the book!
    posted by Lori Crank
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 8:28 am
  3. Every mom was talking about it these books at the ballfield Several women at my church posted on Facebook that they loved it. I'd never heard of it, but looked it up on amazon. The description seemed questionable, but everyone was reading it. I bought it. Read chapter 1. Not so bad. What's all the fuss? Then, came chapters 2-5. And on. I could barely read it. I felt guilty for reading it. After a few chapters, I began swiping through the pages on my kindle app barely reading any words. I was looking for a storyline, so I would stop on the "email" interaction between Grey and Ana. Still, the book disturbed me. I swiped through to the end and knew I'd not be purchasing books two or three.

    Perhaps the most disturbing thing for me? All the moms referred to this book as "mommy porn". I can't imagine women sitting around chatting about "daddy porn". I'm sure if any woman found her husband viewing any porn, she would not be bragging about it at her son's game.

    Thank you for the courage to compose this post. I knew this information, but said nothing. I'm thankful for your boldness.
    Www.makingmuchofhim365.com
    posted by Sarah Farish
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 9:03 am
  4. I'd never heard of this but will not be reading it. I cannot understand how someone could read it with a clear conscience. It is a sad commentary on our culture.
    posted by Liz Lynn
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 10:22 am
  5. Thanks for your courage to speak Truth in the public square.
    posted by Kay
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 10:42 am
  6. Blessings and thank you for your post. I rarely read fiction and your post is one of the reasons why. I will past your information on to other ladies in our church.
    posted by Barb Field
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 11:28 am
  7. While I fully appreciate this post (haven't read and don't plan to read these books), some of the comments bother me. Giving up all fiction because of the occasional bad apple is limiting the imagination and using it the way God designed it to be used.

    So while I certainly stand behind the decision not to read porn, please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! God gave us imaginations; use them.
    posted by Nancy S.
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 12:26 pm
  8. Thank you, Dannah. It will take courage for me to post this on Facebook.... but I will ... because women need to be warned.
    http://heartchoicestoday.blogspot.com
    posted by Dawn Wilson
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm
  9. I facilitate a book club in my town, attended by women in the community. Several of the women suggested this book for next year's reading list. I listened to their comments and then said "We will not be reading 50 Shades of Grey next year!" I'm sure some women will read it on their own, but we will not be discussing it together. Your comments were spot on, Dannah.
    posted by Brynda
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 2:48 pm
  10. Thankfully, I have not heard of this book. Thanks for the heads up!
    posted by Jessica
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm
  11. Still leaning on the Lord, asking Him to continue to purify my heart.......the tempter is so subtle and crafty.....popular anything seems to need careful scrutiny these days. thank you for the post
    posted by Jeannie Bargen
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm
  12. I can not thank you enough for presenting this information. I had already planned NOT to read it but would like to speak my reasons in a truth with love format. Far too many of us believers do not understand our lives are not our own and we are to be holy in word, deed, and thought life. Thank you!
    posted by Denise
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 6:14 pm
  13. Fifty shades of Thank You for posting this! I will definitely be sharing the blog post on Facebook.
    posted by Lisa
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 8:20 pm
  14. Thank you for taking the time to so graciously warn us of this book and to do so in a way that honors God.
    posted by Jeannette
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 8:24 pm
  15. I have stopped watching TV and reading books like that..Thanking the Lord who stopped me in my tracks.. Daydreaming of men was not what God wanted me to do..I have been delivered.. Amen!
    posted by Sheri M.
    on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 11:13 pm
  16. I couldn't agree more. Thank you for having the courage to address this issue!
    posted by Megan
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:02 am
  17. hey Sheri M,

    Your statement about having stopped watching tv has caught my attention particularly because my fiance and I are praying and planning to not have a tv in our house when married. He is struggling with it as he finds it difficult to leave his family in the tv room and go pray and read his bible in his bedroom. I don't struggle with tv,the Lord has helped to have self control over this. I just can't imagine not having a tv in the house and that thought scares me like what can be a form of entertainment and being informed like watching news etc. Can you plz give some insight.

    Thanks
    posted by mims
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:24 am
  18. This is spot on!! Do not be deceived ladies! The evil one has but one desire and that is to kill and destroy. Do not let it be your marriage!!!
    posted by Wendy
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:06 am
  19. Never heard of this book.
    I got involved in reading books that stimuates lust as a young teen. It has affected me just as Dannah has said. I try not to read books like this although sometimes it's in other types of books as well as movies that are R rated. I will not read this book as a single women and as one who would like to get married and wants to be satisfied by my husband.
    posted by Elveria
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:08 am
  20. Last evening I re-read Nancy's excellent booklet, "Cultivating a Pure Heart-Becoming a Woman of Discretion in a Sensual World." In her "Making it Personal" section towards the back of the booklet, she writes, "Am I taking in sensual thoughts and desires through books, magazines, TV programs, music, or movies that are not morally pure?"
    Surely "Fifty Shades of Grey" is a book to avoid to ensure that we are not taking in those lustful, sensual thoughts, but instead filling our minds with the Word and thoughts of God. Nancy closed her booklet with a beautiful prayer that would be fitting to share here:

    "Father, how we thank You for giving us Your Word to teach us how to live as wise women in this godless age. We confess that we have often been foolish women. Please search our hearts and show us any foolish ways that You find, that we may repent and turn to Christ who is our wisdom and our righteousness. Deliver us, O God, from our foolishness. And raise up in our day a new breed of women--holy women; women who trust in You; wise women who will build up their homes. We surrender ourselves afresh to You. May our lives bring You glory and fulfill Your purposes here on this earth. In Jesus' Name, Amen."

    I add my "Amen" too!

    Blessings,
    Arlene
    posted by Arlene
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:21 am
  21. I couldn't have said it better myself. I know several women who have or want to read this book, most are married, and most I feel are already struggling with their walk with God. All of your 'reasons' were right on point and I thank you for posting this!
    posted by Tracy Gray
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:23 am
  22. If "everyone" is reading a book, I usually pause and wonder about it. Popular books or movies or tv shows in this culture are not ones that glorify God and sanctify me. I was in Barnes&Noble this week and saw a table devoted to this book. My daughter works there and says its a huge seller. That's indicative of a broken world in need of a Savior.

    Thanks for the article. Reposting on FB.
    posted by LISA MATHENY
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:35 am
  23. If something is popular in the world---we can better believe that it is not popular with the Lord. This is NOT of God

    It's satan's trap!
    posted by Deb
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:10 am
  24. These types of articles always throw me for a loop. First of all the book is not only about “sex”. The female lead in the book is a virgin. (A 21 year old attractive woman who manages to keep her morals in tack for this long.. and graduates from college cannot be COMPARED to a porn star). In fact, her morals should be commended not ripped to pieces. The lead man… suffered GREAT abuse as a child… suffering tremendous loss… just imagine a 4 year old who has no father… his mother a crack addict and prostitute… and him spending 4 days alone with her corps after her death until someone finally finds him… starving… and obviously traumatized. These books are about wanting “more” from a relationship (something he knows nothing of.. until now..).. and their journey of trying to deal with his horrific psychological issues. I feel not only should every women read it.. but ever man. Because though he is demanding… he is absolutely 100% romantic. A complete gentleman… how many husbands… open every door (including the car door) for their wife every time they enter or leave. Hold their hand when they walk… take their jacket off when they are cold… endless.. endless.. acts of love in this book. Yes, the sex is graphic… but no more than nearly every book on the market. And usually about teenagers… books your teenagers are reading. (About Vampires no less.. and promiscuity!). It amazes me how so many are quick to judge those (which if I am correct is also in the Bible.) Reading a book about fictional characters can NO way be compared to the porn industry. It is not supporting an industry who degrades women and propels them into a life style of promiscuity. Yes… porn hurts marriages.. because it programs the mind to want a certain type of women… or man… in a visual manor… and there is NO ROMANCE! Those who watch it are visually stimulated… words offer no visual stimulation.. and it is completely fictional. This book is igniting so many marriages and it frustrates me that it is under attack… when there are SO many others out there directed towards teenagers… rape… murder… and drugs. Those are worth our battles… not house wives… reading a book about a relationship. I have a wonderful relationship with God, one that I take very personal… so the idea that because I am reading these books that I am lusting over a fictional character… makes me laugh… it is SO preposterous. I love my husband and have been happily married for almost 19 years. He has my heart… and my lust. Read the book before you pass judgment.
    posted by YFaith
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:20 am
  25. @Nancy C.: This one particular reader shared that _God has asked her_ to give up reading fiction. She did not say that everyone else should. Some abstain from alcohol for whatever reasons, not necessarily demanding that everyone else has to. Same goes for those who stated they don't watch TV anymore, I'm sure.

    Maybe not everyone needs to take such a radical route. But for some of us (speaking very much to and for myself here), wisdom in picking the reading material is very necessary. There is some fictional stuff (Marion Zimmer Bradley being one of the authors) that I won't touch anymore. In others, I, too, believe that God has spoken to me to close certain books for good. We need to do what is necessary and listen to God; each of us individually.
    posted by Kelly
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:27 am
  26. @Deb... From personal experience I know that words work for me just fine as a stimulance, even without pics (in fact, maybe even better). My mind is fully capable of filling in any blanks. So I know what (not) to do.
    posted by Kelly
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:31 am
  27. Sorry, I meant YFaith! :-)
    posted by Kelly
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 am
  28. @Mims

    My husband and I have a TV but no channels. We use it to watch DVDs, once or twice a week. Personally, I don't miss TV. When we go to my parent's house, Dad always has the TV on and it actually annoys me. For the TV series that my friends with taste recommend, watching them either after they are released to DVD, or on the channel's website, hasn't hurt me a bit.

    For entertainment, books are great (though I feel a bit silly recommending them right after this blog!) DVDs let you watch movies together but still put limits on how long you'll spend watching. (Movie night is one of our favorite in-house dates.) Hobbies, doing projects together, music at the local coffee shop, Bible study, board/card games even exercise-like things can be entertaining. You'll find that after TV has been gone for a while, you are able to see fun in places you might not have considered before. In my opinion, TV actually teaches us to expect all entertainment to be big and scheduled when most of it is actually small and ongoing.

    For news: the internet. Or local paper. Or friend/like someone on facebook/twitter who frequently posts about news topics you would care about. News is another thing that, in my opinion, overexposure to overstimulates us to. Most of it I can't do anything about and the ones that will touch my life, I hear about via the places I mentioned.

    I hope that gives you some information that can help you make a decision. I'd encourage you to spend a year w/o TV and see what you both think then.
    posted by Ilsa
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:40 am
  29. Thank you for writing this article. I feel like it is God reminding me. I stay away from this stuff normally, but recently had wondered if reading it might help boost my libido. I am glad you addressed the point of it perhaps making a man feel as inadequate as porn makes a woman feel, as I have experienced this. I feel we often need each other to challenge us to raise the bar. I am glad you felt free to say that you will not read them and why. It has reminded me to rely on God for help and not resort to other measures that might hurt me. Perhaps I should stick to reading Song of Solomon...
    posted by Sarah
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
  30. I chose not to read this book when my book group read it. I really wanted to. It was hard to fight the temptation. We as women influence everyday & we should always ask ourselves is what I am doing pointing others to God. I did not condemn others for reading it, I certainly understood the draw, just quietly said I chose not to read it, and that spoke volumes. We should not be self righteous about this choice, but stand lovingly firm in the wisdom that is from on high. Thanks for bringing this subject to us. I felt alone in my stand.
    posted by Debbie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:45 am
  31. @YFaith - Your thoughts surprise me. If someone is not familiar with what something "looks like" (ie reading a book about a war battle, a murder, sex, etc.) the human mind will create an image based on what knowledge a person has in their mind and give them an image. That is often the case for children and why parents should not just let their children see a movie based on a children's book without their having seen it first (Narnia comes to mind because of the scene with the death of Aslan on the table - much more icky in Hollywood's eye than what was ever created in my mind when I was a child long ago). Adults are absolutely no different. If you are familiar with sex (ie having participated), your brain WILL conjure up images to assign them to what you read (hence the reason we get annoyed with movies based on books because we imagine them differently). Those scenes do create an image in the brain which will cause a form of visual stimulation. Granted, most likely no "real" people were degraded in the writing of the book, but where did the author come up with the idea for the plot, the activities of the characters, etc.? Did they watch porn? Who knows.

    But ultimately, do you as a Christian really want to have that kind of filth in your mind - your memory?? Yuck. I used to read "trash" novels a long time ago and no longer do so - because I realized what it really was: Porn with a plot. Interestingly, there is an episode from the TV series Friends where Rachel is reading a "trash novel" and Joey calls it what it is - porn. If Hollywood recognizes it for what it is, shouldn't we?
    posted by Lady M
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:48 am
  32. I completely agree with YFaith.
    posted by Marie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:51 am
  33. I am in total agreement with YFaith. These books are NOT about just SEX. The psychology behind why Grey is the way is his is incredibly fascinating, and I believe that the character of Ana is actually a better role model for teenage girls than Bella Swan, or any of the girls in the ABC Family or WB television series that are watched all of the time. As YFaith stated, Ana is a 21-year old virgin and goes through much contemplation before deciding to participate in a sexual relationship with Grey (I wish I had been that discerning in my younger years!). Their relationship is built purely on trust, love, romance, and RESPECT. That CANNOT be said of many marriages these days (even marriages in Christian homes!). I must say that my reading this trilogy has had no ill effects on my marriage. If anything, it has enhanced our marriage. When you put yourself and your spouse into the main character's roles amazing things can happen!!

    Now, all of this being said. Why does no one comment like this on the Song of Songs??? Is it because it is indeed in the Bible and "dirty words" are not used? The Song of Songs conjures up just as many powerfully sexual images as the 50 Shades books do, there is just no character involvement or story line to follow!
    posted by Good Catholic Girl
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:07 am
  34. I am not religious, but growing up a southern baptist I understand your viewpoint. I disagree however that all erotic books are sinful. For example: while I was deployed my husband found a website that personalizes books and sent me an erotic novel that used our names and facts about us and our relationship in the book. My question is would you have found that to be sinful, considering the "lust" that you felt while reading ir was towards your husband?
    posted by Allee
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:14 am
  35. @YFaith, I haven't read the book, and I'm sure that makes it harder for you to listen to what I have to say, but I made a choice to not read books with graphic violence or sex a long time ago. I hardly read fiction at all, but I do read some. I recently read a series of books by Francine Rivers (A Mother's Hope and A Daughter's Dream) that were excellent, and there were some difficult themes (drug abuse, promiscuity, and rape), but NONE of them were explicitly described. So, it is possible to write books about relationships and people who experience abuse without creating graphic visual images that enter our minds and titillate us and stir up sexual desire.

    The way you speak of the male lead character of this book demonstrates why we have to be careful about the fiction that we read. You obviously have strong feelings about this character and how he was 100% romantic and then you compare this character to real-life husbands. That right there is one of the dangers for women who read romantic fiction. We are not turned on by visual images like men who look at porn, but a romantic novel about the "perfect" guy can really get us going, and we start comparing this character to our husband who leaves his wet towels on the floor or snores or forgets our birthday, and we start thinking, "Why can't I have something better?" That is the danger of these books. They breed discontent. Not a good thing.

    You say, "Yes, the sex is graphic, but no more than nearly every other book on the market." I am an avid reader. I read at least one book a week, and I don't read books with graphic sexual depictions. So, I'd suggest that you start reading better books if you think that nearly every book on the market is like this one.

    And, yes, reading books about fictional characters can most definitely be compared to porn. Porn stars are normal people who put on an act when they make porn movies. They don't go around every day acting like they do in their movies. They are actors! It is fiction! And the characters in the books are fictitious! One is visual, the other is using the written word, but we, as readers, create the visual images in our heads. That's what good readers are supposed to do.

    Are you saying that if porn had more romance, it would be okay? You care about romance because you are a women and romance is important to you.

    I'm glad you have a happy marriage. Why don't you stop reading these books and create your own romantic story to turn you on?
    posted by Tina
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:16 am
  36. Are there really that many Christian women that are trying to defend reading a book that contains explicit sex???? I heard about this book a few weeks on our local radio because a public library in the area did NOT want to put this book into their collection - because even they thought the details were pornographic and they did not want that on their shelves. This was not a Christian radio station or show. The people who called in about it did not indicate their faith, but many had read it and agreed with the category & the reasons why the library was declining to purchase the book.

    I think if you are defending the book with such vigor, you might want to revisit exactly why you think it was such a great book & think about if you would want your daughter to read such a book.
    posted by Lady M
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:19 am
  37. I would like to mention that a BDSM relationship in a loving marriage is not at all abusive but incredibly wonderful. It is very useful and helpful especially for recovery for those who have experienced sexual abuse and struggle with having sexual intimacy with their spouse. Speaking from real life experience.
    posted by Marie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:20 am
  38. @LadyM

    I am not saying my mind cannot recreate it.. I am saying that it is my mind.. and I control it... I control how graphic it is visually… and how I perceive it. My point is… it is more than just that. And by no means do those images stay in my mind… I guess it is because I fill my mind with other things… things that are more fulfilling than that. I fill it with the love that is in the book. The acts of kindness… I do not dwell on the sexual content of the book. I guess.. it just depends on how your mind works. Mine behaves.. and it listens to me. I find the book for the most part… hilarious. I find it ingenious how the author has created two supporting characters from figures of the leads own subconscious. (Ana’s subconscious and inner goddess.) They are hilarious.. one pure and proper.. the other completely sexual. Which because of her lack of experience..their interaction is hilarious. The story actually reminds me a lot of Pretty Woman… many scenes are extremely close... My point is…I do not want others dictating what others read…and passing judgment on those who do… I feel it is wrong. If all you take from this book is the sexual parts… then you have missed SO MUCH more. Because it is MORE than that.

    @Marie… thanks! :)
    posted by YFaith
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:25 am
  39. The book doesn't have to be "all about sex"! If it has any sex in it at all then Christians should stand against it! I understand, YFaith and Good Catholic Girl, are trying to let everyone know the morals of the book, but we as Christians need to be aware of the ways satan will make something look "okay" in order to take them to the next level. If you begin to compromise on things that only have a "little" bad in it, then before you know it you will begin to compromise on the bigger things.
    posted by Renee'
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:37 am
  40. @Tina
    See this is what I am getting at… I have not judged any of you… it is your choice.. but just as it is your choice it is also mine. But yet… you attack me and my marriage for reading a book???? My marriage is romantic… loving… and kind. Of course I find romance in the fact that he does pick up after himself.. or that he makes our bed… or how he kisses my bye everyone morning… or puts surprise gifts on my pillow for when I get home… it is all about perception. We have two teenage boys… who learn from their fathers great acts of kindness. That is what is important to me…. it is how others treat each other. How we respect each other.. and give love.. and do not judge. I have unconditional love… (that is the Christian way.) I do not worry about others sin.. I only worry about my own. With the divorce rate as high as it is… if this books puts passion is five marriages that are about to dissolve… then I praise it (that is why I want men to read it.. not for my marriage… but for others). The books I read range from religious.. to emotional turmoil… and horrific tragedy. For me.. it helps me understand.. to have unconditional love… about things that I have not experienced. It helps me grow as a person.. and as a Christian. Sometimes we have to experience things (even if through words) to understand them… in order to help others. Every book I read… I learn something new.. and I experience something from it.. and it helps me be a better person… an understanding mother.. wife… sister.. and daughter. I do not find love passing between two consenting adults vulgar in any way.
    posted by YFaith
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:45 am
  41. Thank you...just...thank you!! : )
    posted by Michele
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:54 am
  42. The main characters are NOT married, correct? Is that's the case then their relationship would not be endorsed by God, no matter how romantic they are, or what their contemplation is prior to engaging, or what their childhood was like.
    posted by Kim
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:59 am
  43. There are thousands of great books that do not have explicit (or ANY sex scenes) in them. Why would you bother with something like this? I have been there done that in my much younger years. There is nothing uplifting in these kinds of books. "Mind control" or no, it does affect our brains - even on a subconscious level. Please don't try to convince me otherwise.

    Perhaps, rather than try to convince other Christian women how great a book you think it is, perhaps think about the fact if you would read the book out loud to Jesus. Would He be pleased that you have chosen to read such a book? Would you (truly in your heart, now!) be embarrassed to read the book out loud to Him?

    The comment saying that the story is more than the sex the story is rather like the concept of a little bit of dog poo would not spoil a whole pan of perfectly good brownies. Renee' is correct in her observations.

    YFaith, no one said you could not read the book, but it was stated that it was not in your best interest to read the book. No, I won't be reading the book - I read enough of the like when I was young and clueless about the damage it can do. I am happy to miss out on whatever it is truly about. I simply cannot imagine that Jesus is thrilled that this book was written and that Christian women are reading & defending it.
    posted by Lady M
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm
  44. I would like to see your sources for the information documented in this article. If you are so "strong" in your faith then how could a fictional book shake you so badly?
    posted by Tara
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm
  45. Thank you Kim for pointing out such an important fact. I won't read it nor do I feel a need to read it. Something like this opens a small or large door for the enemy to come in and destroy the good in marriage. God created sex but He demands it was intended for marriage between a man and a woman. Just when did He change his mind? Never.

    We don't need this filth in our minds.
    posted by Michelle
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm
  46. As an avid reader myself, I have been following this discussion with much interest! I have only one thing to add: does this book meet all the requirements of Phillipians 4:8? As a Christian, no matter what your opinion on fiction, if this book does not meet the Phil 4:8 filter then you absolutely should not be reading it. I have picked up many a book and started reading it only to throw it away mid-way thru the story because there were graphic sexual descriptions.
    posted by Sheree
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:24 pm
  47. Coming from some one who went down the slippery slope from "trash novels" to erotica to porn with my husband. The saying that a little of this wont hurt it may not at first but a little leads to a little more and before you know it you are trapped.. We still struggle with the affects of it in our marriage. But God's Grace is sufficient ...
    I agree that this is something that should not be read. No I haven't read it. If a book has sex in it I wont give in to the temptation. I read all sorts of books. But even romance books that don't have in appropriate material in it can give you an inaccurate view of marriage. I allow my teenage girls to read certain types but rarely is it the "popular" stuff.
    Song of Solomon is not graphic.. Its not erotica or even trashy novel material..
    Satan does slip in where ever he can to lead us into temptation. I tried to tell myself that as long as the porn and erotica was between me and my husband it was okay.. It wasn't, it degraded my personal image of myself, it cheapened our sex life and got to the point that we had to have it to enjoy each other which makes no sense at all to me now.
    Compromising when it comes to God and his word is never a good thing Ever! Please dont fall for the enemies ploys...
    Thank you for posting this!
    posted by Learned from my mistakes
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm
  48. We have adopted children with many issues stemming from abandonment and drug abuse. I can tell you that this book is not at all a good judge on how to find compassion for someone coming from such a back ground. Nor is it an okay way to turn out for lack of a better term. From what I understand without reading the book, if I were a single woman and found such a man I should be leary of his kindness and gentlemanness. In real life such a person would have the same bio as a cereal killer. Getting off on such activities described in the book are not good.
    The first thought I had when I was told of the content of this book was how similar the mind set would be as to the people of midevil times being entertained by the killing of Christians in the Coloseum, the complete disregard for anything moral.
    posted by wendy
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 12:35 pm
  49. I disagree with this.. I think that people make to much of things.. I am currently reading this book. I have a great marriage and sexual relationship with my husband. It only affects you if you let it. This post probably won't make it to be read since I disagree.
    posted by Julie tucker
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:00 pm
  50. Porn is the #1 "NUMBER ONE" addiction for men. As a man it is a blessing to see so many women, decedents of Eve (Ezer kenegdo) standing on the front lines. Ezer kenegdo, is "a notoriously difficult word to translate." It means something far more powerful than just "helper"; it means "lifesaver." The phrase is only used elsewhere of God, when you need him to come through for you desperately. "There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you" (Deut. 33:26). Eve is a life giver; she is Adam's ally. It is to both of them that the charter for adventure is given. It will take both of them to sustain life. And they will both need to fight together.
    posted by Thunder (tim)
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:00 pm
  51. @All.. my last post. (sorry too busy… but loved the interaction...no hard feelings)

    I suppose since Jesus knows all… I am reading it to him… and no... I am not embarrassed, because I know he loves me.. all of me. I feel I have done far worse that would disappoint him.. I am sure we all have. I also do not live in a time where I am naive enough to believe that people wait till they are married to engage in sex. (Do I condone it.. No… do I condemn it.. No.) Believe me.. It is not my intentions to convince others to read it.. it is to prevent judgment on those who have. It saddens me that others are so quick to change their opinions of people because they have read this book. When there are other things in the Bible that I am sure if we all took a closer look at we are all guilty of.. after all in Gods eyes.. all sin is equal. Simple things like… treating our bodies like temples could be perceived as eating junk food as wrong… smoking or drinking. We can all find wrong in others… but is it our place to point the finger. I would never persuade anyone to do anything they find wrong… but I also would not tear anyone apart for doing it. I have too much love for human kindness for that. I love that women are finding enjoyment out of this book (it is about time!)… we are raised to feel ashamed almost for enjoying our sexuality.. where men are applauded for it. Our bodies were designed by God… and he designed them so that we would enjoy it… and there is nothing embarrassing or shameful about that. It is no different than watching soap operas… which women have been getting a boost from them for years… and I seriously doubt that is the reason for the divorce rates being so high. I find Dancing with the Stars risqué… because it is hard for me to watch real married men and women dance so intimately with people other than their spouses.. and with little on… yet no one is attaching the people who watch it… it doesn’t have to be in black and white to imagine sex… or to have an inappropriate thought. And you don’t have to see the act… to imagine it… so what is the difference... how can we condemned others for what they imagine in their minds... or think to themselves... It is silly to even consider it.

    It’s been a pleasure ladies. :)
    posted by YFaith
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm
  52. @YFaith I wish I could find you on Twitter so I could quote your comment in this article. Articles like this written by women like Dannah Gresh are the reason I don't go to church on Sundays and instead choose to practice my belief in God my own way. Too much judgement always seems to come from those who are so quick to voice their judgmental opinions and then claim to be Christians all in the same breath. I had no intention of reading this book simply because it did not interest me. But after reading this article I will certainly spend the money to download it on my Kindle. If for no other reason than to prove to myself that it is possible to read fictional stories about fictional characters all while remaining happily married, loving and honoring my husband, my God and myself. There are many sins and wrongdoings in this world that God would be ashamed of. Reading a fictional book, in my opinion, is not one of them. Thank you for your comments YFaith. You have my agreement and my support of your opinions.
    www.twitter.com/mary_sparkles
    posted by Shay
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm
  53. Shame on all of you. Above all else the bible teaches us that only God's judgement matters. Your comments and this blog itself are uncalled for. Choose to stay away from the books if you like, but judging them without reading them for yourself is just as un-Godly than reading them. Occassionally it saddens me just how little we take away from our Christian learnings.
    posted by A.J.
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm
  54. I have to say Christians who are warning others not to read this book, are NOT judging in a condemning way,( that many of us think that way.) to say that it is only God's job to judge is false even Jesus said to judge those who are not in the Word. For instance Moses judged, Joshua judged, Esther even judged. Josiah judged, Paul judged. Peter and Timothy even James judged.
    When Jesus was saying Don't judge lest you be judged He was talking about being a hyprocrite!!! Stop taking God's word out of context to fit you convicting needs. Look the book isnt lined up with God's word. If you have read it and feel God convicting you great! Go repent! If you have read it and feel no conviction I would encourage you to ask God where doesn't it line up with His Word. I really pray that God does convict those and that you are sensitive to God's heart. Cause in the long run, you don't have to face this author that wrote the book,you don't have to face us ,but you do have to face God and you are without excuse cause the warning has been right here all along! God bless!
    posted by Jennifer
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:23 pm
  55. Thank you for this stance. As a victim of sexual abuse, it sickens me that people are vehemently defending this book. What does this say about our society? Women like to feel pain & be dominated? How does this fit in with God's ideals about marriage? There is nothing romantic about about a girl losing her innocence through bondage. It was disturbing reading the Christians defending that this book helped spice up their marriage. Seeing my husband pray with our boys, spices up my marriage. Having a kind & compassionate man who stays up with a colicy baby all night is TRUE romance.
    posted by TNmamato4
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:40 pm
  56. Thank you for sharing! I was not planning to read it but I didn't think to share why. I agree and appreciate your blog!
    posted by Leigha
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:43 pm
  57. It's all about your heart. Completely agree with you YFaith. It's a book and anyone can make it gross and perverted or you can see it for what it really is- an amazing psychological thriller. I feel we're all adults and you can go around turning off every TV and protesting every 'bad' book- OR you can have a pure heart before God and not worry about something 'tampering' it
    posted by Julie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:45 pm
  58. To be honest some philosophers view all sexual desire and acts as either sadist or masochistic, deviant or not.
    posted by J.G
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:49 pm
  59. This is so well written. I try so hard to be careful of the blogs and books I read, the movies and tv shows I view, and the music I listen to because I know how easy it is for lies to seep into my mind subconsciously. And, like you explained so well, the things we consume will eventually consume us, one way or another. I'd much rather consume His truth than the world's "truth".
    www.tjsmhanesfamily.blogspot.com
    posted by Stephanie Hanes
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:52 pm
  60. I'm so glad someone has spoke out about this! Thank you for sharing this.
    posted by Jeanie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 1:54 pm
  61. I've been deeply, deeply disturbed and concerned about the number of Godly, church-going, Christ-following women that I personally know who have read this series and rave about it.

    As a writer myself, I'm deeply disturbed by the "Mommy Porn" movement and the women who are promoting and "enjoying" it.

    I have not read the Fifty Shades series. I have no plans to do so.

    When asked WHY I won't be reading it, from now on I'll refer everyone to your post.

    Thanks so much!
    http://www.jenniferkhale.com/
    posted by Jennifer K. Hale
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm
  62. Im fairly disturbed by the fact that someone taking a stand against something they believe to be a sin is being so avidly argued. If each has a right to their own opinion, as many of you have stated as your grounds for arguement, than stating your opinion and walking away should have been enough. An arguement consists of two sides continuing to cut one another down. 1. This is a blog, you are not forced to continue to read, it is your choice to do so.
    2. If this is not convicting you, then why do you care what other people think of the book?
    3. If I believed you were about to be run over by a bus, would you want me to warn you?
    Just putting that out ther.
    facebook
    posted by Darah
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:07 pm
  63. As a guy in his late twenties who used to have issues with lust and visual/self gratification, I can tell you that this blog is spot on. The Bible warns us explicitly about sexual sin because of the harm it does to the body (1 Corinthians 6:18). I struggled for 10+ years to rid myself of these addictions until God finally gave me freedom. I literally had no control over my thoughts. It was pervasive. They entered my mind throughout the day with or without cause. I thought it would go away when I got married only to realize that it was worse. Now I felt the added guilt of having a wife AND lust. It scares me to think of ever falling into that dark place again. By the grace and power of the Holy Spirit, I was freed from that addiction. I spoke to my wife about it and we've since cancelled our TV, sticking to Netflix, iTunes, etc, and put a filter on our internet. I can never go back.

    To those who are commenting about the book's positives: I suppose it's possible that erotic words don't affect you. I would rather not trust myself. I'd rather just take the safer route. The Bible says that "a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough" (1 Cor 5:6, Gal 5:9). But please don't be offended by this blog's judgement of the book. She's not judging you or any other person. She's judging a book that has the potential to introduce sin into our lives and for that she should be commended. It's up to you and your conviction to decide whether or not you should read it. God bless all of you and I pray that His Spirit leads each and every one of you closer to Him.
    posted by I am Free
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm
  64. Thank you for getting involved. I have friends who are curious about this book, and spent the weekend looking for a Christian response online...this is very timely and I am definitely sharing.
    posted by Lisa White
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:11 pm
  65. I do not think ALL fiction is bad and do not agree with Christians who feel they can read NO fiction. I do believe that some Fiction is poor in content for Christians and sometimes poorly written but exalted in the world...The same could be said about some Christian writing! I think wisdom, discernment and consideration need to be sought. I also think Dannah, you have made a beautiful statement and stand which is applaud-able! I am leery popular fiction because of the reality of inappropriate content. Buyer beware- God gives us choice and gifts to help us make good choices. I would not read this anyway- I do not even generally enjoy romance , certainly not erotica. Thanks, Dannah for tellin' it straight. I will give grace to those who do not see clearly on this point. As that 's what God gives me while I am still learning to follow Him. I will be careful to not judge others or throw the baby out with the bath water (all fiction?). I praise God that He gives wisdom...
    http://beneaththesurface-dawn.blogspot.com/
    posted by Dawn Paoletta
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:20 pm
  66. @Allie That is a most unusual question. I've never been asked one like that before. I have, on occasion, counseled women who made naked photos of themselves for their husbands eyes only. While that's out of my comfort zone, I cannot say that in these specific cases there was anything wrong with what they did. However, I would not call those photos pornography since they were a secret shared in the confines of marriage and to my knowledge were in the spirit of loving sensuality. It would seem to me that you and your husband may have found a creative way to enjoy one another long distance. I believe the point of all sexual stimulation should be to bring you closer to your spouse.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:28 pm
  67. @YFaith You offer praise for the book if it might lead to awakening the sexual appetites within marriages. Well, that could back fire. One of the things we are discovering in the field of sexuality in general is that when porn or erotica is used it generally leads to a decrease in sex with a real partner. While there might be an immediate awakening that creates more of a sexual appetite in a marriage bed, the risk is great that it will eventually lead to less sex in the marriage bed and a greater appetite for more porn and more erotica. That's simple science.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm
  68. I'm happy that we're posting everyone's thoughts here whether they agree with me or not. I'm also happy to share a bit more about why I'm concerned about this book. And let me be clear, I'm am judging something, as God would have me to test everything. (I Thes. 5:21) When I test erotica and BDSM, I find it does not pass the test. Let me just focus on the later since I mentioned my reasoning for the first in the original post.

    BDSM stands for Bondage. Dominance. Sadism. Masochism.

    Sadism? Masochism? In psychiatry, the terms sadism and masochism describe a personality type characterized by the actor or actrix deriving pleasure and gratification from inflicting physical pain and humiliation. The terms specifically refer to one who either enjoys giving pain (sadist), or one who enjoys receiving pain (masochist). These are words that are direct counterfeits of God’s attributes.

    Bondage? Jesus came to set the captives free. (See Isaiah.)

    Dominance? He emptied himself. (See Phil 2. Esteem one another.)

    God never desires us to seek pain or to give pain to others. On the contrary, he created marriage to be a picture of his love. (See Ephesians 5:31,32) If that’s so, the marriage bed must be a tender reflection of deep knowing and respect. Why, he even uses the word yada to describe what should happen in that place. Yada means “to know, to be known, to be deeply respected.” No mention of the physical act happening, it is to transcend the physical to be an act of knowing and respect. In the marriage bed, we can experience this knowing.

    Is the marriage bed always undefiled?

    Some have argued that it is, no matter what happens in it. This is not true. To use that verse out of context is to imply that whatever goes on in the marriage bed is by definition “undefiled.” That is a perversion of the verse. It is the exact opposite of what that verse is trying to say. Marriage is honorable and the bed is TO BE undefiled. “Honorable”or “honoring” is the opposite of sadism, masochism, bondage and dominance. It is the ultimate oxymoron—the term “honorable sadist” may have never before been uttered.

    Fifty Shades of Grey is full of bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism. On that test alone, it is not something I need to fill my mind with.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:38 pm
  69. Years ago, the responses to Dannah's comments would have shocked me, but today they don't. They sadden me. We are in the midst of a generation of people who don't know what to believe. So many don't believe that God's Word addresses the issues that we face and consider it irrelevant to our culture.

    To those offended that Dannah would make her bold assertions without reading the book, I ask:
    Have you read the whole Bible through? How can you claim that the issues you're discussing aren't directly addressed? I assure you they are.

    We have become experts on every author's book but God's.
    posted by Pat Christopherson
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:50 pm
  70. I saw this blog post linked to by one of my mom's friends...

    In reading the responses, I can't help but be disturbed by the responses of those who claim that this blog post is illegitimate because a book and the moral actions it describes are being judged (Oh, horror!). "Christians aren't supposed to judge!" And so the oft-repeated wail goes up, that cry of false indignation that Satan uses to silence the Church from having any positive impact on the culture around us.

    "Judge not lest ye be judged." This is probably the most popularly quoted verse in the Bible, quoted by Christians and non-Christians alike, with one goal: silencing Christians from stating any sort of moral opinion or from bringing the Bible to bear in their everyday lives. But the above verse needs to be interpreted along with the whole of scripture, not pulled out of context and turned into a giant club to beat so-called "judgmental" people up with (that, by the way, is a form of judging).

    Everyone seems to forget that Christians, in multiple places throughout the Bible (including in Matthew 7 & 8, the same chapter and the very next chapter after the "Judge not" quote), are required (1) to judge their own personal salvation (2 Cor. 13:5), (2) to judge the works of those who claim to be their fellow believers (thrusting them out of the church if need be)(Matt. 8, 1 Cor. 5, John 7:24), (3) to judge according to Scripture anything that we are instructed to believe or do, even when it is an authority figure in the church or some other influential/popular person (Matthew 7:15-17, and many others in the Pauline Epistles), (4) to take action against any thought or belief that sets itself against God and His Word (a form of judging)(2 Cor. 10:5), and (5) we are told that one day we will also judge the world and angels (1 Cor. 6:2-4). It looks like "judging" is very much a part of our job description. So what does the verse about not judging mean? It seems that we are not to make Pharisaical judgments, caring about the letter of the law but not it's substance (or whether we're willing to follow it, too, or not), or just trying to make ourselves feel better rather than trying to help or protect others.

    Now, to tie this back to the blog post above... The spirit of the above blog post is to judge a book (not necessarily it's author or it's readers) as unhelpful for Christians to read. If you disagree with that, fine, but Dannah is not out-of-line for making such a judgment, and she, for one, actually uses Scripture to back her up, unlike her detractors (unless you count the passing usage of "judge not"). God, in His word, is very clear about what sin is. If we do not follow His lead and make it clear to the world what God says sin is, how will they ever see a need to repent and turn to Him for mercy and grace? We must be just as ready as God to forgive and embrace the repentant sinner, but we can't gloss over the rampant sin in our world and say, "Do I condemn it? No. Do I condone it? No." God has not called us to sit on the fence. All of us are called to preach sin, righteousness, and judgment to this dying world so that people will see the truth. If we sit on the fence or "do as the Romans do," then the world is correct in thinking that we have nothing whatsoever to offer it. Why be saved into the same system it just left? Why go to the trouble of adding the term "Christian" to my life if it doesn't make any difference to how I live?

    God has called us to lives of purity and holiness. I am not a goody-two-shoes, holier-than-thou person. I've done lots of bad stuff in my life. We all have. I'm not asking anyone to pretend that we haven't. I'm asking everyone to stop pretending that we aren't at war. Folks, this is war, and there are millions who we need to reach with the Gospel message: "Hey you! You're drowning! I know you don't want to accept that, but it's true. And if you will grab onto this life preserver, you can be pulled out. Hey, stop letting go! You don't need that book. Or the laptop. Or your girlfriend. They can't save you. Grab the life preserver with both hands!" ... And so it goes. That's our situation, and if we aren't willing to go out there in the world and call a spade a spade, we are doing God and our fellow man a great disservice.

    Thanks to Dannah and Co. for having the courage to do just that.
    posted by Jonathan H.
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:54 pm
  71. As a young husband I would not be comfortable with my wife reading Fifty Shades, and I'm pretty sure my wife would not be comfortable with me reading this book. I can imagine if my wife read this book and suddenly our sex lives went from good to amazing, I would probably wonder wether or not she was day dreaming about Christian Grey while having sex with me. Sure that sounds silly, but have any women out there ever wondered if their spouse were day dreaming about someone else while in bed? If so were you okay with that? As for judging. Can you show me in the Bible where is says not to judge sin? The point ins't to allow a little sin because there have been far worse things we have done. The point is to asbstain from ALL sin, not walk a thin line. Also this book is categorized as erotica. I have a hard time seeing a Christian counselor recommend fifty shades to spice up the bedroom. Am I right? I find many of these pro fifty shades post extremely confusing from a guy's point of view. I ask you this, what kind of man do you want? A Biblical man? That sure aint Christian Grey!
    jrlls@hotmail.com
    posted by 1dissapointedguy
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm
  72. Here's what's funny... @YFaith and all those who are in agreement with @YFaith... have you not thought to consider the composition of the female sex-drive, especially when compared to a males?

    Females are naturally emotionally driven, and words are most commonly the delight of the female ear (i.e.: "You look beautiful tonight." etc.) Females also are inherently and naturally better at creating mental images or recalling mental images, whether it be conjecture or truth, based on words, music, phrases, smells, etc.

    I believe people are forgetting that it is the genetics of a man to be moreover visually stimulated than a female. For all humans, reading words revs the emotional gear because we have to throw the book into a creative narrative (like a mental movie)(mental catalogue for the reading of non-fiction or research) to be able to enjoy it. Otherwise you're reading a dictionary.

    With detailed graphic descriptions, it's hard - nearly impossible - to say it cannot be compared to "porn" because mentally processing the images is nearly the same. Unless you are asexual, each word or image will be processed through the sensual part of the mind.

    It's not opinion; it's logic, physiology, psychology and common sense.
    posted by Kara
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm
  73. Great article! I don't understand the rationalization that the Lord would be ok with this kind of content. I could not agree more with Tina, Dannah, and I am Free.
    posted by Kam
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:14 pm
  74. Seriously. Lighten up. It's a book. Articles like this scare people away from any thoughts of God, religion, church. A book will not make you a sex crazed psycho that mentally cheats on your husband. You do realize how ridiculous that sounds ? I'm more worried about people who are insane enough to insinuate that & condemn another person's reading choice, than I am a woman that reads a "sexy book"
    posted by brittany
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:25 pm
  75. While I agree and have decided not to read this series either, it is because of what I feel personally challenge by God to do. I have found that I have to work harder than some to stay focused on God. What is a mere read for some is engulfing to me. My mind fixates on these stories. And while reading to escape is OK to a point, my life demands my attention and I don't need to escape as often as I would want. So I agree, and I applaud you for standing up because you actually motivated me to stand up and say "hey, I'm not reading this and here is why..." I don't think anyone can paint such broad strokes. Some people can drink one glass of wine a week and never touch alcohol again. Some people can put that glass down after that one glass. Some people can eat one bowl of ice cream a month where others can't keep a gallon in the fridge more than a day. Some people can read a book and see it is a book and walk away. Other internalize and dwell and can not get it out of their heads. Can we say no one should eat ice cream or drink wine? Of course not. I am not reading this series because I don't think God wants me to go there and I have good reasons for my decision as you do. But to paint all Christian women with the same brush also goes against what I believe God calls us to do to our sisters. Share and stand up for what you believe, but be careful about judging or try to gauge the weaknesses or strengths of others. What Satan uses to break one person, God could use to reach another.
    posted by SG
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm
  76. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16a - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.

    I recently listened to a sermon about holiness by James Macdonald. It really challenged me and reminded me that as a Christian I am called to be separate and not to dabble with things of this world. (Listen to it! Holiness means separation from April 12 & 13, 2011)

    Thanks, Dannah, for sharing! I pray that God would use what you've written to challenge others to choose holiness as well!
    posted by Janelle
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm
  77. Thank you, Jonathan.
    posted by Melssa
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm
  78. @brittany

    What is wrong with people taking ideas, beliefs, and reality seriously? We're not living in a game show! This world is full of hurting, dying people. "Lighten up" is not a command I've found anywhere in the Bible. Rather we are called to expose the evil works of darkness with the light of Scripture. The reason this world, and far too many Christians, refuse to take this life and the evils around them seriously is because if they did, they know they would have to do something, and they are unwilling to lift a finger to help change the world, preferring to entertain themselves and block out their responsibility to be salt and light in a dark and dying world. If you're on the easy road, you're on the wrong road. If you aren't being persecuted by the world, you're preaching the wrong gospel.
    posted by Jonathan H.
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:37 pm
  79. Couldn't agree with YFaith more!!! You said it perfectly! I read the books and loved them... Did it ruin my marriage?? Not even close?? Do I lust after other men now? NO my husband is the only person I lust for!!! The book has opened up some conversation that has been good for us. I do think it has helped a lot of people! You hear about that all the time. I guess I have yet to hear about a marriage that these books have torn apart so if you have proof to that I would love to know! Sure it's not for everyone but I don't think its fair to say some of the things that were posted!
    posted by MamaH
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:53 pm
  80. Images that register in the brain are almost impossible to erase. Why would I intentionally put garbage into my brain when I am trying to avoid so many other harmful contaminants. Fifty Shades (or its kin) is not something I would play with, any more than I would play with mercury.
    I have been an avid reader since I was six (I annoyed the older kids into bringing their high school lit books home so I would have something new to read) but have found myself totally disenchanted by much of the new fiction of the last decade or more. (Even the cover art on some of it puts me completely on the side of those parents who do not allow their little ones into the new book section of the library.)
    I am reading more non-fiction or re-reading tried and true authors. It is as if 'they' are afraid to publish a book that is not full of graphic description from mankind's dark side. The last popular series I read was Harry Potter; by The Deathly Hallows I was wondering why she had even written it--I don't remember the ending, it was so empty. I still find an occasional gem on the bookshelf, but they are rare. Thank goodness I have reached an age where I can actually appreciate some of those classics they pushed on us in school!
    We are stewards of the body and mind and spirit that God has given us. We are strongly encouraged to avoid polluting our physical world; I think we should be at least that concerned about our interior world, since that is what makes us who we are.
    posted by FM
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 3:57 pm
  81. @ YFaith You shared ...
    "First of all the book is not only about “sex”."

    The "apple" in the garden wasn't just about the apple either was it-we know where that led.

    *******
    As previously said I do not agree with this book, books or movies like this and would NOT recommend it to anyone.

    For ME, God says "Be Holy as I am Holy" and for ME that means not applying myself to "what I call satan's trap", I believe it's a snare.
    posted by Deb
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:00 pm
  82. Okay it's a book, not reality. Also condemning another person's book choice is hardly lifting a finger to change the world. I'm simply a logical reasonable person, who understands the fallacies of such an arguement
    posted by brittany
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm
  83. Wow, that was slightyly ignorant. BDSM is an amazing thing, the trust and all that goes into it youll never know.

    And as for sinning, wow.

    Most ignorant post Ive read.
    posted by Submissive and Love it
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm
  84. After reading the comments, I can understand why Dannah wanted to stay out of a discussion on this book. I am an Experimental Psychologist who studies cognition and memory. Believe me, the written word can be as powerful as and sometimes more powerful than pictures.

    I won't be reading this book. I used to read soft-cover Romance novels a long time ago and I gave them up when I realized that I was looking at my husband and was expecting him to look and act like the heroes in some of these books.

    Many years ago I saw a Japanese film where a woman was carried to an out-of-way place and hanged for cheating on her husband. This bothered me so much that if someone mentions foreign films, I still have that visual in my mind as if it were yesterday.

    And, yet it was a written joke that I read 20 years ago that still pops into my head whenever I think about the Holy Spirit being the spouse of Mary. It was a gross and crude reference and Satan still uses it to distract me from my prayers.

    Now, I look at everything and ask myself "Will this help me in eternity?" If the answer is no; then I don't see that film, watch that TV show, or read that book.
    catholicpsychdoc.com
    posted by Catholic Psychdoc
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm
  85. I agree with your post Danneh and I will not be reading it myself and won't advise anyone else to, but I think your post is a little judgmental. At the end of the Reason #1 paragraph you say "I guess I could stop there, but it won’t be enough for some of you. So let’s go to reason number two". To me that statement sounds very judgmental and makes me value your words less. Thank you for speaking the truth and informing those who are unaware of what the Bible says about sex and marriage but please in the future leave out the holier than thou attitude that so often turns people away.
    posted by Ashley
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:30 pm
  86. @YFaith - Spot On! I thouroughly agree with all your comments and responses to this article. I am a woman who on a daily basis struggles with her walk with God. However, I read the trilogy, and loved it! My husband knew I was reading it, and would ask me questions about it. If he let me know that he was uncomfortable with me reading it, then I would have stopped. I don't feel that in any way, shape or form, did this book hinder my walk with God or question whether I was sinning or not. To me, it was simply a love story. It did not make me lust outside of my marriage, nor did it give me any unrealistic expectations of my husband. It was a work of fiction. That is all. I would hate to think that a simple novel would make me question my Faith. That would mean, to me, that my Faith is not very strong. People are over-reacting to this work of fiction the same as they did "The DaVinci Code." Yes, this book is not for everyone, but the same could be said about everything else in life. Laters!
    posted by April
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 4:36 pm
  87. Time is precious. Life is short. If I invest time in reading a book, or watching a show on TV, or listening to a teaching, or music, as a lover of Jesus, I ask myself: does this edify me and am I redeeming this time wisely? When thinking of my children, what eternal benefit will this choice have? How is this choice of mine bringing glory to God? How does this choice line up with Gods pattern of choice in the Bible? Am I living my life in Truth?

    I am blessed to be married to a man whom loves God first and me second. What do you suppose it means to love God first?

    In my life, loving God first means I strive to give Him my best, knowing I must lean on Him each step of the way. In my younger years, living for God meant I asked my mother to please homeschool me through high school because I believed the temptation possibly too strong for me to resist having a boyfriend, and then who knows what morals I might compromise if I started that spiral. In my life, I needed to rely on certain boundaries for a time until God in His grace gave me victory in my surrendering my desires to Him and His awesome purpose. Btw, God has our good in mind, He desires us to be abundantly happy and to give us His very best in His best plan.
    To all you readers, specifically to those who believe saving yourself for marriage isn't actually attained anymore, please be encouraged that by Gods grace, I was preserved a virgin for my husband. As a teenager, I saw great value in my virginity, and proclaimed the importance of this choice to others. But not until my married years have I realized the amazing benefits in desiring to be pure, body, soul, mind, and spirit. I have talked to woman who did not wait until marriage, and sex is so dirty to them, even with their husbands. To me, the marriage bed is holy. Not only that, do you think that justifying any impure media could possibly make something so holy (as sex was designed to be in the context of marriage) could possibly affect your heart in a holy way?
    Soft porn, hard porn, a glimpse of this a hint of that, it's all the same, less than God's intended. Even engaging in thoughts of envy of characteristics of another's spouse, or a hero in a fiction book, it's sin. Hmmm let's see, though shalt not covet, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not have any gods (idols) before Me...
    Yes, we are commended to judge, but only by the Word of God. Point being so that we are able to lovingly encourage others to see in truth and be convicted of the sin God speaks to their heart, repent, and be saved. Because at the last day, or when they die, whichever comes first, they will be judged, but not by me, by God.

    Do we as Christians love one another enough? We have to be STUDYING God's Word regularly to know how to do that. Otherwise we take the Bible out of context and for example, tell everyone we're not supposed to judge anything at all. We are supposed to judge rightly, with Gods Word, not with our opinions or anyone else's.
    posted by Jacque Budden
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm
  88. I have recently gotten involved with a few organizations who are fighting human trafficking, specifically the trafficking of women for sex (the average age in some countries is between 9 and 13 years old for a girl to be sold into sex trafficking, sometimes even younger).

    I say this, because, attending conferences on this topic, hearing statistics, and seeing the effects of this crime on young girls (and boys), has opened my eyes to a problem many (myself included) have not previously thought of. Talk to anyone gathering information on the causes of this worldwide travesty, and many will say that one of the main causes of this form of slavery is the subjugation of women in a culture starved for sexual gratification. This is not something that happened overnight, but a form of addiction created over many decades as the availability of pornography, erotica, etc. has astronomically grown. Even images and slogans in advertising are used to portray women as toys or tools to be used as seen fit. The textbook example of a "Slippery Slope" of small things here and there that continue to build up over years until it is not even seen as wrong.

    Also, through scientific research, we have learned that, subconsciously, our brains process information, store it accordingly, and act on it continuously throughout the day. This means that even without realizing it, our lives are impacted by ALL stimuli around us, not just what we consciously decide to let affect us. This contradicts the arguments of those who state that reading erotic fiction has no effect on their thoughts, because they choose not to let it. It does effect us, and, you can see the impact in our culture if you just choose to look for it. The existence of sex trafficking in our country is only one example of this truth.

    It is the widespread acceptance of sex as a means of fulfillment through whatever means possible that has contributed to the bondage of many millions of people around the world. Are we not, as followers of Christ, called to set the captives free? Why then, would we think it is okay, even for a moment, to find satisfaction in the bondage and dominance over another human being for ones own gratification? Why would we read about this, and call it entertainment? Bondage is not entertaining, it is something we, as Christians should fight against, and proclaim freedom to those caught in it.

    That being said, we all need to make decisions for ourselves, yes, and not judge others harshly for sins we struggle with ourselves. It is true also though, that we are told in Philippians 4 to think about whatever is true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy. This is the standard we should use to filter what we choose to expose ourselves to. When we do this, what choices might we make differently?
    posted by Klynn
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 5:04 pm
  89. All of the ladies who are defending this book series - specifically those claiming to be Christians (which means CHRIST-LIKE) - and claiming it's all harmless fun... if your husbands said they wanted to go visit a pornographic website because it was "just a little harmless fun"... would you be ok with that?

    After all, they're big boys and it shouldn't affect them (or YOU), right?
    posted by Jason
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 5:21 pm
  90. I agree with Dannah's viewpoint on thinking upon good and noble things and protecting the sacredness of the union of marriage. I especially resonate with Reason #4. Thank you, men, for standing up against this book as well. May we give others the grace we ourselves don't deserve while still adhering to the truth of what God's word permits.
    posted by Dana
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm
  91. I was thrilled to see this on my friends page..I have seen on friends profiles defending the book and it's just a little 'mommy porn'..Porn is Porn & because they feel it's for Mommies doesn't make it any better. I will not be reading it..I have shared your blog on my wall & hopefully those who are wanting this book will stop to read before-hand.
    posted by Marcie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 5:57 pm
  92. I read the series and absolutely loved it because it was an amazing love story. If you choose to focus on the secondary undertone to the book which is the sex, then you are reading it just for the sex and nothing else. I hardly even noticed after I got wrapped up in how much these two characters loved and cherished each other. There was no cheating, no lying and it was about the strength of family and friends. THAT is what I got out of reading it and it was very refreshing considering all the other garbage we see nowadays. Just my two cents worth. It is silly that you're judging something you've never read, but that is you perorogative.
    posted by Kris
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
  93. I thought the bible said "Judge not yest ye be judged"
    I see a lot of judgement here and it scares me from going back to church. I read the book and to be honest, I didn't like it all that much but I would never not read a book because what I thought it might contain....I read it and made up my mind. It doesn't make me a sinner or a bad person. Just a thought....maybe stop judging others and trying to be so mighty....it turns the people off who you are supposed to be witnessing to.
    posted by Sad4u
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:33 pm
  94. Just another person agreeing with YFaith! The books were amazing and quite heart warming actually. They are about a whole lot more than just sex. Many of you would know that IF you had read them.
    posted by Dee Dee
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:35 pm
  95. Thanks for this post. I had heard of this book but didn't know what it was about. But after reading all these posts, I know i won't choose to read it. It is not in my genre of interest. However, what is everyone doing here? Judging people who read this type of book or judging the characters or the author? Do not judge anyone. But judge the content because that is what is important. All the devil needs is a toe hold and he's got ya! In my opinion when you have doubt about this, compare it to the Scripture. Then and then only will you know if it is sinful or not to participate with the world. If we want to be a friend of the world, we make ourselves enemies of God. (James 4:4 NLT)
    http://carmaswindow.blogspot.com
    posted by Carma
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:39 pm
  96. All of this is why we need REVIVAL!!!!
    posted by Cindy Meyers
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:43 pm
  97. Someone mentioned Song of Songs in a comment and I didn't see anyone respond to it. It bothers me. I have read Song of Songs. I can assure you it cannot be classified in any way as erotica. If you're uncertain about that I'd encourage you to read it for yourself. While it's true it may be the most erotic book in the Bible it is not actually erotic. It's beautiful. It's poetic. It describes a romance between a woman and a man. It does not, however, describe a sexual encounter. If 50 Shades of Grey eluded to an encounter in the same way that Song of Songs does I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been news worthy and we wouldn't be discussing it here. Again, Song of Songs is not erotica and it does not depict a sexual encounter. We're talking the difference between PG and NC-17. ;)

    Also, I think it's interesting that some Christians think that Ana should be credited as being extra moral because she was 21 and a virgin and really considered before getting involved in a sexual relationship. I would think that's backwards. Isn't it worse when we have the wherewithal to consider a sin before doing it? Our own judicial system seems to think so. There's a difference between manslaughter and premeditated murder, as in we consider the premeditated murder to be worse not better because he really put a lot of thought into it first. Or am I just totally missing something?

    I won't be reading 50 Shades of Grey. But that's not really saying much because I don't really read romance novels anymore. Not because I feel I can't, they just don't hold much interest for me now that I have such a beautiful romance of my own. To me reading a romance novel is akin to listening to my iPod while at a live concert. I wish all women were as fortunate as I am to have that kind of marriage. At this moment I am feeling very blessed. ;)
    http://jenniferdawnmclucas.com
    posted by Jennifer McLucas
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 6:44 pm
  98. The world's view of sexuality is perverted and always will be. If someone claiming to be a Christian is enjoying perverted sex depicted in any way, he/she is succumbing to worldly influences. I plead for all the people who have defended, or who are considering this book: if you belong to Christ, consider how the world has changed you to enjoy an unmarried, perverse, sexual relationship. If you really see no problem with it, have you truly reached a moment in your life when you chose to repent of your sin and claim Christ as your Lord?

    Also, as I have had to counsel young women involved with controlling men who behave like the "hero" in this story, young ladies, when someone like that comes into your life, RUN! This is not just fiction; it is fantasy. No man who enjoys such things knows how to love like Christ loves the church. You will be used, and when he is done fulfilling his fantasy, you will be tossed away. I've seen too many women and girls hurt by "fascinating" men to think this is harmless.
    sarahjoyscorner.blogspot.com
    posted by Sarah Case
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm
  99. I haven't read this book but don't plan to. I think what disturbs me most about all the responses to this article is that, once again, anyone who expresses their belief in God and Godly things is accused of being "judgmental, holier than thou, and self-righteous." I don't judge others who choose to read this book, but I don't think I should be slammed or criticized if I discourage others not to read it also. I am not perfect and never claimed to be, nor does Dannah. It just bothers me that Christians are always having to tread lightly and try not to offend others who may not see things their way---but we are expected to sit back and "not judge" material or cultural things that violate our personal beliefs and our faith. It is quite interesting to me how books, TV, and other media of a provocative nature spread like wildfire and are all the rage...but when people try to preach scripture or encourage godliness it does not always have the same effect--in fact it is often shot down, perceived as pushy or judgmental, and criticized. Very discouraging to me that freedom of speech seems to be welcome only as long as you are not professing a faith or opinion that may potentially "offend" others.
    posted by MJG
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm
  100. Yeah, this book wasn't written for someone like you. Personally, I am looking forward to reading it as is my husband who will reap the benefits.
    posted by Samantha B
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm
  101. I have always struggled with sexual sin and it almost destroyed me and my marriage. Thankfully, I have come to Christ and have found peace and forgiveness. I am an avid reader and part of me wants to read this book because of all the controversy surrounding it. However, I know what my triggers are and I fear this book could be one. Christ as an alcoholic must abstain from alcohol , so must I abstain from things that cause me to sin. I want to follow Christ because His way is best for me. He designed me and knows what is best for me. I tried things my way and it was a disaster!! I am learning what a God-given gift my sexuality is and I do not want to mess that up. I will still read fiction. I will just be discerning and determine what is good for me or not. I picked up this book and flipped through it quickly and that was enough for me to know it is not for me. But I loved Harry Potter and the Twilight series! Bella did not have pre-marital sex! LOL
    posted by Aimee
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 7:54 pm
  102. There are two very different points of view being shared in this article and the subsequent comments.

    It reminds me very much of the alcohol argument.

    The argument basically goes that alcohol is inherently bad because people get addicted to it and get drunk and abusive.

    Many people DON'T get drunk and abusive while drinking alcohol though and argue that it's not the alcohol that's bad but the physiological and maybe even spiritual makeup of some people that is the problem.

    I think the same goes for this book. SOME people, like @yfaith have no problem reading it because their unique makeup helps them not fall into sin because of it.

    Other people will be caused to struggle or fall by reading it.

    Others still will not necessarily spiral downward from it but will simply not be able to see the positives from the parts which make them uncomfortable.

    I think the wording we use is very important when talking about things like this with each other but I do not think it is wrong for the writer of the article to give a warning to us about the content of the novel and what repercussions that may have in us.

    I don't feel it will cause me to stumble but thanks to this article, I'm going to avoid it just in case - and I'm not going to miss out on anything by doing so!
    http://peterpollock.com
    posted by Peter P
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 pm
  103. Wow!! thanks for sharing this! I've seen so many people take to this book and saying how good it was... but I wasn't to sure. I figured that b/c it was so "catchy" it probably wasn't good. As a Christian woman I stand with you in agreement.
    The enemy is using such books to attract Christians and non-Christians away from the Lord. If he can catch you with a fictional book about porn, he can lead you to the real thing.
    http://thevoiceofthebeloved.wordpress.com/
    posted by JessicaCox
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:07 pm
  104. Shame on you all for being so judgemental of a book that you haven't even read and of any who choose to read it.....and for listening to others and passing on which is gossip. We also have free agency which God gave us as well as UNCONDITIONAL love which He has asked us to give to each other......no matter what. I can choose to read or not to read that book for myself without other's comments being of any significance.
    posted by Rebecca McDonald
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:20 pm
  105. Oops I made a typo in my comment above. Obviously I did not mean to say Christ is an alcoholic.
    posted by Aimee
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:26 pm
  106. I think it is absolutely insane the people continue to disagree! I have read it and have been a christian through out my life. The only time I ever even think about this book now (after reading it and finishing it two weeks ago) is when people are making a big deal out of it. Now I have not gotten the other two because I dont have time to read it. I would like to know what happens in their relationghip bc Ana wants more out of the relationship and Christian is trying to get there. He has participated in other relationships like that but she is different and he is falling in love with her. No its not the way God has given us to do things but honestly, how many people in this world are perfect and do it that way? Not many. So just agree to disagree and if you chose not to read then still respect the ones who do. For some of us it doesnt interfere with out relationships, maybe for some of you it does. OH WELL! Everyone has their own choice, and beliefs. STOP ARGUING!
    Facebook
    posted by Linsey
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm
  107. Also JUST because something is catchy or popular DOES not mean that it is always bad! Come on people.
    Twilight for instance, there isnt any language OR SEX!!! So please, please tell me why its inaporpriate? Because you imagine a vampire, who isnt killing humans? COME ON!!!
    Facebook
    posted by Linsey
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 8:30 pm
  108. This series was AMAZING!! And it was more of a love story than a sex story. Get over yourselves people. There is not a thing wrong with getting lost in a fantasy as long as we know our boundaries. How many romance novels are there around? You choose to pick on this one? Give it up and get a life!
    posted by Danielle
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:00 pm
  109. I agree with Cindy Meyers, we need REVIVAL!!
    posted by Melinda
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:14 pm
  110. I will set no worthless thing before my eyes;
    Psalm 101:3a
    posted by Carolyn
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm
  111. The more you have the word of God in your heart and mind, the less you'll desire to participate in such "wordly lusts and desires." You'll be able to discern what is of God and what is not. Lean not on your own understanding.
    posted by Melinda
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm
  112. I HEARD ABOUT THIS BOOK ON MY LOCAL TV STATION, IT WAS A LATE NIGHT STORY!! AFTER HEARING WHAT IT WAS ABOUT , I WILL NOT READ IT! A MALE REPORTED SAID "IT WAS THE BEST BOOK HE NEVER READ" REALLY?? i HAVE REPOSTED THIS SEVERAL TIMES ON FB, HOPING THAT SOME FRIENDS (FROM CHURCH) WILL CHANGE THEIR MINDS AND NOT READ IT! THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!
    posted by mELISSA
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm
  113. You know how movies not only come with a rating, but also they tell you why it receives a certain rating? I.e. "nudity" "language," etc? Perhaps they should do that with books, too, so we don't have to look up whether it's safe to read or not.
    posted by Danielle
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:49 pm
  114. Many of the comments state indirectly or directly that all fiction is bad. "I gave up all fiction"

    Think of what you are saying. Are you serious?

    C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Dostoevsky, Dickens, Willa Cather, Victor Hugo.....just to name a few.
    sydneysykes@gmail.com
    posted by Sydney Sykes
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 9:53 pm
  115. Such a "Christian" tune to everything...but I guess I'm not welcome here because I both read and enjoyed the books, and therefore am being judged for reading a damn book. I don't guess the bible said anything about judging one another...does it?
    posted by Amber
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:03 pm
  116. I am another who gave up fiction many years ago. I want to explain why since several have made comments regarding others who don't read fiction thinking they are "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

    I loved reading Christian fiction. It was my favorite hobby and I often read a book a day. I felt God telling me to give it up because He had better things for me to put into my mind. I was 100% convinced this was what God wanted for me. So in obedience to Him I gave up my fiction and started reading quality books full of spiritual truths. I read my Bible more and grew by leaps and bounds in my faith and personal relationship with God. For me, disobedience to what God was calling me to do would have been sin. I'm sure there are others with a tender spirit to God's leading who have also obeyed this call. It is a small sacrifice compared to what God has blessed me with in my obedience to Him.

    Regarding this particular book, I cannot fathom a mature Christian woman who has a tender conscience toward God reading a book filled with sensuality and immorality. Both are fruits of the flesh, not fruits of the spirit. There are so many verses in Scripture that call us to have pure hearts and minds; to have NOTHING to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness; be wise unto what is good and INNOCENT about what is evil; keep our minds from being polluted by the word; take EVERY thought captive to the obedience of Christ...on and on it goes. We don't have to read the book to discern whether it violates commands of Scripture.

    In our culture we have given up discernment because we don't want to be called judgmental. Discernment IS wisdom; it is a gift from God. Ladies please don't let the world bully you into silence for fear of being called judgmental. Keep a tender conscience toward God and be rewarded by obedience! It is far better than any trashy novel!
    posted by Robin
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:11 pm
  117. "Whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things" Phillipians 4:8.
    posted by mama4
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:12 pm
  118. Honestly, as a Christian woman, I agree that God has a right time, place and person for sex. I think God created us as sexual beings, but I must say; first, this particular book has no hurting women in it, only pleasuring. Second, although it includes premarital sex, why must reading this literature be a "sin?". Who are you to judge? I take offense for Christian women everywhere that you feel the need to tell your readers they are being sinful. Sure, lust is sinful, but I can honestly say that besides reading the book, I did not substitute the man in it for my man during sex, or in any kind of sexual play or thoughts. I think you are taking a big leap to judge a book so harshly. Sure, it may not be literary genius, yet I do not think by enjoying reading this series, that I have sinned. If that is true, I will find out on judgement day, at which time my Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ will forgive me (He died for my transgressions, right?) so to summ up, I completely disagree, and I think to each his/her own. Ok, bring it on, my fellow believers. Quote me some scriptures, I am more than interested in what you can come up with! thanks,
    Maggie :)
    posted by Maggie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm
  119. I really appreciated the comment by I am Free, and some of the subsequent comments from Dannah, though the tone of the blog itself was a bit self-righteous perhaps. I am sorry to say that I purchased the book, and even sadder to admit that I did begin to read it. I knew at the time that I shouldn't and I really wanted to see what all of the fuss was about. I've been a single mom for well over a decade - and haven't had a relationship with a man for that long, so you can imagine I threw that excuse into the mix. Before I got very far in the book however, the Lord convicted me.
    First of all, I was hiding the book. I didn't want my kids to see it. But what is that - to have to hide something that is potentially harmful to my kids? What if they found it? If I have to hide it, then it's wrong. Also, I felt the Lord with me as I was reading. I can't shut Him off or politely ask him to take a break so I can read the book. He's with me all of the time. It was uncomfortable - and whenever I find myself wanting to hide from the presence of God, well, you know. So I got rid of it. I'm glad He's with me - because being alone the past decade should have been a bigger tragedy and struggle than it has been - because I wasn't really ever alone. And even though I continue to struggle with natural human feelings and desires, I am still learning to sit back and wait while the Lord shows me His way.
    That said, I know this book is very tempting to many women. Believe me, I understand that. I know that struggle. However, there is no beautiful or "loving" way to dress up fornication, nor the humiliation of bdsm, and I do believe that using sex that way absolutely contrary to the passionate, loving and ultimately fulfilling act that He created.
    posted by nicole
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:14 pm
  120. I am tired of Christians picking their sins. A sin is a sin. Their is no Big or Small. I haven't read the books but I plan to. If God feels that I am being influenced by the written words then he will convict my heart and only he will judge me, as it should be. No one is without sin but some people seem to think they can pick theirs.
    True woman
    posted by Nancy Orozco
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:17 pm
  121. Please. Do not comment on a book that you have not even read!!
    posted by Myra
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:20 pm
  122. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

    just saying do not judge unless the be judge.. love thy neighbor even if they choice another way then u..

    I have read the books.. I love them.. there is more to the book then sex.. yes it's then and it's nuts.. but there is love story behind it..

    also if I'm a sinner for look at the statue of david or mosses in your eyes cause I look at them!! LOL just saying remember there is sex in the bible too.. so guess if u read the bible your a sinner.. just saying I read the bible too.. and the part where the girls get their dad drunk and slept with him to bare him a son.. yeah that worst when whats in 50 shades of gray..
    posted by Amanda
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:28 pm
  123. You all have good arguments but ultimately I think it all boils down to this - God commands us to be holy because He is holy. Will reading this book (or any thing like it) constitute holiness?

    "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

    Cheers! :D
    posted by gltanglao
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm
  124. The whole argument of "pro" vs. "con" about this book reminds me of a story. A teenager wanted to go see a rated R movie with his friends, and his Dad didn't want him to go to it. The teen argued that there was nothing really wrong about the movie, it had great action, a great plot, and special effects. There was only a little bit of violence/or sex, but nothing to worry about. The critics acclaimed this movie and everyone was seeing it.So the Dad thought of a great way to help his son see what he should. He fixed a plate of brownies and brought them out to his and his friends to eat, but before they ate, he said " I just put in little secret ingredient, but no big deal, it was just a little bit, and it doesn't really effect the overall taste of the brownies." They were wondering what it was. "It's just a bit of dog poop". But just a little." Well, do you think they ate those brownies??? Not on your life. The son said after that "Dad, I get it". Ladies out there reading this..... it's the same with what you watch, what you read, what you listen to. Do you remember that song as a kid "Oh be careful little eyes what you see" Oh be careful little ears what you hear"? Why do we think as adults that certain material is now all of a sudden "Okay", but we wouldn't think of letting our kids read/hear/watch it? The media out there is money driven and they all know what trips our trigger. Sex sells, and it has since the beginning of time.
    posted by SusieQ
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm
  125. "Since that’s God’s plan for my sexual desire, anything other than my husband creating arousal in me would be missing the mark of God’s intention. (Translation: It is sin.) Jesus said it this way: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” The same is true of a woman looking at or reading about a man"

    Seriously? You've NEVER looked at a man "lustfully"? An actor, a singer, a sports player, a random man on the street? According to your quote above - we must all be big fat sinners. (David Beckham anyone? George Clooney, Ryan Reynolds?)
    posted by Ashley
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:44 pm
  126. If anyone is looking for good Christian fiction novels centered around God's word, look up Janette Oak and Wanda E. Brunstetter. They are both fantastic authors who do not have to rely on smut to sell books are get a reader engaged in their work. My grandma and I have been trading these books (and other Christian fiction stories) back and forth since I was about 10 or 11 years old. I'm now 27, and these books are still among my favorites. Check them out!!!
    posted by Lindsey
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:50 pm
  127. As a Christian. I had already decided not to read it because when I heard about it being called mommy porn I figured it couldn't be stimulating to the Christian mind. I asked my husband what he thought about it and he said absolutely that he would not like me to read it
    Thanks Dannah for taking the stand. I took a stand for the marriage amendment(marriage is between one woman and one man) law for NC and got blasted out by all sorts of people for judging and believe it or not Christians voted against that so I am not surprised that people are supporting this book.
    On every subject known to man some agree or disagree it is human nature in our fallen world.
    We are called to warn our fellow Christians not to stumble and this book obviously could cause others to stumble
    posted by Michelle
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:51 pm
  128. As Christ followers, we - by definition - follow Christ and His word. Other people cannot discern what is right and wrong to set our minds on. His word alone is TRUTH. And His Spirit both guides and convicts accordingly to His standard.

    There is no grey areas (pun intended) in our lives on earth. Everything we do, say, and yes - read - either are towards the goal of glorifying Christ or not. That isn't judgmental. That is simply scriptural.

    You can argue until your blue in the face, or fingers, but the TRUTH is found in one book - and ONLY one book...

    "Turn my eyes from worthless things, and give me life through your word." Psalm 119:37
    http://www.narrowpathhome.com
    posted by Nadia Wilder
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 10:58 pm
  129. I agree with everything but the last point; I believe, even in a God-fearing, monogamous, Christian marriage, a husband and a wife can experiment with whatever type of sex they want, even BDSM if the notion strikes their fancy. Now, note I said if the notion strikes THEIR fancy. Consensual experimentation isn't evil.

    Otherwise, great job.

    ps, I haven't (and won't) read it either.
    posted by Shellina Guthrie
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:01 pm
  130. @Jonathan H : Thank you!! Quite a few people who have commented here need to read (in addition to their Bibles) "Who Are You to Judge", by Erwin W. Lutzer. As Christians we ARE called to be discerning (judgemental!) about the things we read, watch, listen to and fill our minds with! Also, there are plenty of times that I will read a book review and decide, "Nah, this book is not for me." That's the stinkin' purpose of a review, is it not? I don't think there is anything wrong with warning fellow Christians away from a book like this. Far too many better reads out there. Thanks to Dannah, I won't waste my time or dinero on these books and I will pass this review on. If you feel differently, knock yourself out and read it!
    posted by LindaLoo
    on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm
  131. I have always had a problem when Christians would get on their bandwagon and shout the evils of fiction; and most every time that happened it made me want to read the book even more. As an avid reader, and English major, I am a defender of all books. Growing up I don't ever recall my parents (& my dad is a preacher) censoring my book choices, but rather I was taught the difference between fiction and reality. Thus it would irk me to no end when Christians would battle against harmless fiction books -like Harry Potter.

    However, there is a MAJOR difference between a book obviously created in a fictional world than one set in a realistic one. Several years ago I heard all sorts of people ranting about The Da Vinci Code. I had never read any of these books, but I was of the mindset that one cannot judge a book they have not read-so I read it. Dan Brown does such a good job weaving his tale that I couldn't tell the fiction from the real, soon his "valid" points made me question my faith and the very existence of Jesus Christ.

    As soon as I finished the book an overwhelming sadness filled me, as if I had lost part of my innocence. It would take me years to realize that what Brown artfully passed off as truth was no more real than the characters themselves. How I wish I had come across an article beforehand that disn't just tell me NOT to read it, but showed me why I shouldn't.

    I am not a fan of bandwagon boycotts or uneducated opinions; but I am a fan of Phill 4:8 and protecting myself and others from allowing even the tiniest sliver of unholiness into our lives. When walking in muddy puddles, it's always best to wear rain boots.
    www.meljustme.wordpress.com
    posted by Mel H.
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:34 am
  132. This is sadd really sadd even among Christian's dot fine anything wrong with it, or happen to read because is the latest or the newest. Im thankful to the Lord that I have no desired to read such books, or any books that is not pleasing to the Lord. I fear God rather, then Man. The Bible tell's us not to conform to the pattern of the world, but by the renewing of your mind and he is so right.
    posted by TUU'ULA
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:35 am
  133. Your eyes are the windows to your soul. Do you really want these images and words planted into your soul?
    posted by KMS
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:36 am
  134. I haven't seen such a response like this since the post about the Twilight series!

    I applaud Dannah for having the boldness to stand for Truth in the face of adversity. It reminds me a lot of Paul and his preaching. I wonder how many times Paul was told to "stop judging." Paul gave practical examples of ways a Christian should live, and that is exactly what Dannah and other bloggers on this site have done.

    I say this out of love for my fellow sisters in Christ, but maybe the reason some of you feel the need to be so defensive about reading/enjoying the book is that you feel convicted. God wants us to turn from our sinful ways and grow in Him. He can use whatever means He wants to get our attention, including a blog post that does not support a book.

    I have a hard time understanding the argument that it is more than sex, it's a great love story. So? Is reading the graphic, unwholesome scenes worth it? Or those saying it creates a desire for their husbands, does your husband not create that desire himself? I don't want anything, whether it be television or printed word to conjure feelings that are meant only for my husband.

    I don't say this with a "holier than thou" attitude, but rather coming from my own struggles to not let anything impure and unwholesome in my home. What I use as my filter is the quote "Christ is the head of this house; the unseen guest at every meal; the silent listener to every conversation." Would I want Christ to be a witness to me reading such things?

    Since when do Christians justify sinful behavior with "oh, it's just a little sex?" Why give the enemy a foothold?

    Someone mentioned earlier that they can control their thoughts. I would really like to know your secret. I would live to train my brain to never crop up a sinful thought before I have a chance to make it captive to obedience to Christ.
    posted by Laura
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:41 am
  135. Posting from the Kindle can be tricky, but I wanted to finish with that no one can make you read or not read the book. You have to be the judge of that decision. Not supporting the book is not a condemnation of those who do support the book. This is just simply a warning to the dangers of putting these things in your mind.
    posted by Laura
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:44 am
  136. Posting from the Kindle can be tricky, but I wanted to finish with that no one can make you read or not read the book. You have to be the judge of that decision. Not supporting the book is not a condemnation of those who do support the book. This is just simply a warning to the dangers of putting these things in your mind.
    posted by Laura
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:13 am
  137. I am absolutely fascinated by the comments. To read women advocating bondage. . . really? Have you experienced the love of God at all? Love from our heavenly Father has nothing in common with BDSM. Anyone who has experienced the love of God knows this. If your relationship with Christ does not intuitively tell you this, I doubt you have one. To know God is to know His love. There are a lot of lost people who think they are saved. If you do not understand the above and accept it as obvious, you need to get saved. There is just no way anyone can experience the love of God and think BDSM is healthy. Sorry. . . there's just no way.

    Let me also say how sorry I am for ladies in our culture. Men are so pathetically bad. Most don't want to work, love, or value a woman the way Christ loves the church. They will have sex with you though. . . anytime. . . anywhere. I'm so, so sorry. Few church men know their Bibles, lead their families, or fight for what is right. Weak, fat, and lazy is the churchman. . . especially white churchmen. His great-great-great-great grandfather would barely recognize his descendants. That generation literally conquered the world. Today all the tough men are wicked. This was not always true. Tough men used to be Christian.

    Men need your help ladies. They don't know how to be men. I say all of this because there are some sharp ladies reading and writing on this blog. Look up "masculine Christianity" of the 1800s. Find old books on the subject. Read them, give them to your husband and say "Honey, this is the kind of man I need you to be". Again ladies, I am so sorry you have to settle for nice, weak Christian men or bad, tough lost guys. Christian men used to be tough and strong. Perhaps with your help they can be again.
    posted by T.J.
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:24 am
  138. Personally, I don't know if I will read this book. But I will say this: I am sick of ultra-conservative, right wing people taking things out of context. I have a very strong marriage with a wonderful sexual relationship and *gasp* we watch porn together as a couple. Our romance is still there and it will only get stronger. If I choose to read this book it would be with my husband's permission and he would know I was reading it.

    Don't say it will undermine and destroy marriages. It might destroy others, but not mine. I believe it depends on how the couple believes and what they feel is OK for them.

    And yes, I am a born-again, saved Christian on my way to heaven. Just tired of being "told" what to do and having "men" try and control me.
    posted by Shari
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:31 am
  139. Many of those arguing in support of the book have made comments implying that the sex in the book isn't so bad because nowadays everyone has premarital sex... No they don't. I didn't. By God's grace and by setting boundaries, we were both virgins on our wedding night. Just because something is hard doesn't mean that God has changed his standard. A huge reason it has become so rare (even within parts of the church) is because of the books, movies, tv, and music we consume.

    The Bible never tells us to resist sexual temptation. It tells us to flee from it. I think that is because of the nature and power of sexual temptation. You have to guard your mind, avoid compromising situations, and stay close to God.

    God's standards don't change, although the world's continue to drift further away. If we compare to the world, we are using the wrong standard. I cannot change anyone's mind who likes the book. I can say that personally, my "sensitivity" to sin in my entertainment choices has been increasing, and I've given up several shows I used to watch (the bachelor, dancing with the stars). I still have a long way to go, but I want to be striving for holiness, for myself and as an example for my kids.

    One last thought...if you never watch or read things with cursing, and the people around you do not curse, then if you hear someone curse it is shocking, uncomfortable, almost painful to hear. But if you become desensitized to it, you can hear it and not even notice. It is the same I think with immorality. Something that is shocking to someone is 'no big deal' to someone else. The question is, which person do you want to be?
    posted by MichelleL
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:15 am
  140. For everyone who is tired of the warped view of human sexuality in our modern culture, read Pope John Paul II Theology of the Body; it will blow your mind. No matter what your view is on the Catholic Church, it is a voice of truth that makes sense of human sexuality in a world full of confusion. He has shown the love of God through the Father in his creation of human sexuality and sets it in correct context of both His will and the physical world we are in. It gives you the ability to explain why sexual perversity is wrong, and also gives you a goal to work towards in realizing the gift of sexuality that we all are given.
    posted by SDB
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:22 am
  141. I agree fully with Yfaith as well. I do know that porn can kill marriages. But these are fictional characters on black and white pages, and like most have said, it is not just about sex. I look forward to reading this series, and yes, I am a Christian, no, I don't like porn. But I do love romantically erotic stories, and yes, my husband is the light of my life, and actually it was him that recommended the series to me, because he knows I like reading erotic romance novels. We are both God-fearing Christians, who attend Church every Sunday, Bible Study twice a week, and we both know that lust is a sin. I don't lust after anyone but my husband, never have. And yes, you can hold me to that on judgement day. Especially about characters in a book. If that were the case, none of us should read many books, watch movies, look at commercials, or almost anything with a story line for that mater, because there is almost always going to be a hero, a masculine strong hard-working wonderful man, who sweeps a poor helpless girl off her feet... do we all LUST after the "hero" in these situations? Not me.

    It is just a book. My husband does all of those things Yfaith mentioned... holds my hand in public, opens doors for me, cooks dinners for me, walks hand in hand into Church with our family, and we do have a wonderful sexual relationship... but again *gasp* HE recommended the book to me, because he knows I love a nightly read and he knows I would never step one toe outside our marriage, because HE keeps me completely satisfied. It's sad that many wives aren't that lucky. Just like Shari above said, it might destroy other relationships, but it is perfectly fine in mine, and I couldn't get him to tie me up, or beat me, or whatever, if I paid him. After all, my hubby brought the book up to me, not the other way around. We must be an abnormal couple.

    One last thing, just like Shellina Guthrie said, what a Christian man and woman does physically behind closed doors between themselves, is nobody's business. I am not sure how the conversation got that far, but I agree with her as well... it is up to the couple what they do to spark, respark, pump up or maintain their love life. Better than going outside the marriage to commit adultry if you ask me.
    posted by lovemyhubby
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:30 am
  142. As a believer, I am struck but not surprised by Y'Faith's statement that she is not "naive" enough to believe anyone in this day and age waits til they're married to have sex. I'm not offended by that assumption - She's simply wrong. Sexual purity before marriage may indeed be rare but equally priceless - Worth every minute of the wait! With all due respect, she may be speaking for herself, but not for this generation of His daughters! I happen to live on a Christian college campus and am crazy proud of how many sold-out Christian young women are choosing to value sexual purity for what it's truly worth - Now THAT'S what I call romantic! That statement helps me better understand where she's coming from - It's truly a different worldview from conservative Christianity. Grateful to the author for her courage in posting her conviction and simply putting up a red flag worth considering. The ensuing argument is inevitable because our foundational beliefs and personal experiences regarding sexuality, purity, and even basic Christianity are all over the map. Still worth it, Dannah? :-) I'd say YES.
    posted by Amy
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:36 am
  143. Robin posted this:

    "Regarding this particular book, I cannot fathom a mature Christian woman who has a tender conscience toward God reading a book filled with sensuality and immorality. Both are fruits of the flesh, not fruits of the spirit. There are so many verses in Scripture that call us to have pure hearts and minds; to have NOTHING to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness; be wise unto what is good and INNOCENT about what is evil; keep our minds from being polluted by the word; take EVERY thought captive to the obedience of Christ...on and on it goes. We don't have to read the book to discern whether it violates commands of Scripture. "

    I agree. HOWEVER. First of all, the Bible itself has sensuality and immorality in it. Not like 50 shades, but incest, love, and so much more is on many many pages of the Bible. Try reading it sometime.

    I must say, that she (or any for that matter) better not watch TV... EVER. (think Victoria Secret commercials, or Men taking showers for soap commercials, etc) much less ANYTHING on Lifetime... Lifetime is 20000% worse than what these books are offering... My husband calls Lifetime the woman's lessons on how to kill her husband", or anything of the sorts. Better not listen to the radio either... even the Christian stations that I listen to, for my daily fix of Contemporary Christian music, have commercials that offer a VARIETY of things for us to think about and change our bodies, and the like. Oh and don't think about watching cartoons... I mean, after all, the purple TellyTubbie is gay, right? And the roadrunner is always in danger of being killed, and goodness, look at today's shows on Nick... all the sex and promiscuity going on there. And don't dare drive down the highway, especially when 40% of the billboards are for stripper clubs, and adult stores etc.

    Where in life can you go that you DON'T see, or hear such stuff every single day? A monestary? We must all be horrible people. (and yes, by the way, I AM a Christian, and am even a PK for that matter). So if I am a sinner for reading a book, then so be it. But as far as I am concerned, let he who sins not (which is all of us in VARIOUS ways) cast the first stone.

    There is so much worse out there... SO much worse... whether you know it or not, you are putting "this mess" into your mind and thoughts every single day, even in the smallest of ways... simply by existing in this world. Think about it.
    posted by Katherine
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:45 am
  144. I saved myself for marriage too. But when I was 16, I was raped and didn't have the option anymore. So as far as saying those people are special who save themselves for marriage... I say, they are just lucky. Good for them, yes, but they are just lucky that they actually make it to their marriage without any problems along the way. Because some of us didn't have that option.

    Nobody is safe in this world. Not from abuse, not from stuff entering our minds through our eyes and ears. Read the book, don't read the book. Whatever. It is everywhere. Not just in a book.

    Christian or not, we are not safe in this world. I believe that 100%. Period.
    posted by none
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:50 am
  145. The Bible itself contains an erotic poem called the Song of Songs.
    posted by Bonnie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:06 am
  146. I'd love to comment but I am simultaneously devouring 50 Shades and mourning the loss of my Rice Krispies. Apparently they were the victims of the cereal killer that Wendy mentioned earlier in the comments.
    posted by Sad
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:11 am
  147. Please thoughtfully ponder these words, quoted from the NKJV Women's Study Bible:
    "The aristocratic women of Jerusalem (see Is. 3) played a role in the ethical and moral collapse of Judah. They were condemned as vain, immodest, self-indulgent, and full of false pride....MORAL DECAY THAT REACHES THE WOMEN OF SOCIETY CAN GAIN A STRONG FOOTHOLD IN THE HOME, WHERE THE MOST FORMATIVE INFLUENCE ON THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS FOUND. WHEN MORAL CORRUPTION REACHES THE HOME, THE NATION IS HEADED FOR DISASTER." Lord, please revive our hearts. Give us hearts for you and for your holiness, for You are Light, and in you is no darkness at all.
    Amen.

    Concerned
    posted by Concerned
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:18 am
  148. I wrote a blog post a few weeks back about this and the harshest comments I received were from sisters in Christ who have loved the book. My heart is broken over this and how "ok" it is considered by those in the Body of Christ.
    http://www.hiddenvalleysimplicity.com
    posted by Melissa
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:28 am
  149. All of this is just another HUGE distraction from what God has called us to. It's a waste of the precious time God has said we are called to redeem. For all the time spent indulging ourselves in a lust fest, the unbelieving world is not being prayed for, ministered to or even thought about. It is just another selfish endeavor, and what for? Isn't this a question about "what are our priorities?" How are we living any different than the world? May God renew our passion for HIM above ANYTHING else. This alone will take care of the question where it matters most: in the depths of our hearts. I can see Jesus watching all this and weeping. How far have we strayed? Please, LORD, help us!!!
    posted by Cindy Meyers
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:46 am
  150. I haven't read the series and don't plan to, even before reading this blog and subsequent comments. The decision is a personal one, as is out relationship with Christ. For me, I ask myself the following question - If jesus return and I was reading this book, would He be pleased? If I think the answer is no, then it's not for me personally.
    posted by Debbie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:01 am
  151. Thank you, thank you, thank you!! The truth spoken in love!
    posted by Julie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:27 am
  152. Also JUST because something is catchy or popular DOES not mean that it is always bad! Come on people.
    Twilight for instance, there isnt any language OR SEX!!! So please, please tell me why its inaporpriate? Because you imagine a vampire, who isnt killing humans? COME ON!!!
    Facebook
    posted by Linsey
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:42 am
  153. You are a reflection of the company you keep and the entertainment you seek.

    I heard of the books, my SIL told me about them. She even referred to them as "mommy porn". My stomach sank...why on earth would I want that in my house? Would I be proud of myself if my 10 yo boy flipped open the book and read a chapter?

    I have been married as long as AY (poster above) and yes, hubby still treats me like the lady that I act like.
    posted by Amgajohn
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:44 am
  154. Wow.. so much information here... and so much human interaction and reflection... it is wonderful. I respect both sides of this conversation. It is great that each knows themselves so well. The weak who could not read the book because they may fall prey to its carnal nature, the religious who truely feel that this book is an affront to thier beliefs, the strong who feel that the book would not influence them or make them hit the road convering innocents to the world of porn and those like me who stand in the middle with arms outstreatch to all sides saying you are all free in your oppinions of the book and the protection of your well being, life's choices and how you believe in your faith and support of God. Read it, don't read it... God gave us the power to make our own decisions based on so many factors ... with or without help. What ever works for you is powerful in itself. For me the book was fluff and very unbeleivable on many points... hence the word fiction. For me, the world of S&M is perversion and for this story, has been dragged into the life of the norm. I found that to be a bit off the mark. It is so down scaled to try attract even the average reader that I find it amazing in its popularity..... it has however, brought so many together for discussion. Conversation... a way of interation and learning. Some see just the sex, some see just a love story, some see it as a psychological paradox, a little door to the innerworkings of the human being..some see it as the root of all evil.....etc . I think that is it's power... the ability to bring all walks of life together in discussion. I applaud everyone here for voicing thier oppinions, beliefs and feelings. If anything said here has helped you make the choice to read / not to read then I say good for you.. the blind is not leading the blind. Something has bothered me though: I do want to touch on the fact that there is a big difference between children and adults. Children are in thier formative years and most adults are formed when they walk into the world.... Children do need to be protected from the harsh realities of life and guided in what is right and wrong through a loving and nurturing family. Not by TV, Movies and radio. And just a little more thought to chew on.....,, the day this woman asks her husband if she should or could read a book, is the day that the real dominants have answered the submissives. It is out there in many shapes and forms... perversion has many faces... you just have to recognize it.
    PS: The book the girl with the dragon tattoo offended me more than this book could ever dream of offending me.
    posted by LeeLaw
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:49 am
  155. I have been having this same discussion in a private online group. THANK YOU for your post. I am sharing on my facebook page.
    posted by Amy
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:56 am
  156. I wonder how many people have decided to read this book just because of the controversy? My husband and I had never heard of it until so many people started getting loud about "I'm not reading this book." We automatically assumed, before even looking at the link, that it was a clever marketing scheme designed to get people to buy the novel. Hm. I'm sure the publisher thanks you all for the free publicity. ;)
    posted by J.S.W.
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:58 am
  157. this page is a hornets nest of wacko conservatives. It's just a book folks. Satan doesn't write books. According to Christian mythology, he's in hell.
    posted by blackju
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 9:49 am
  158. While I DO believe in your personal right to not read the books, I wanted to also assert MY personal right TO read them....1.) While this book in classified as "Erotic Fiction", its hardly erotica. And I'm NOT committing adultery by reading it. That's absurd! My husband is actually the one who told me about these books. 2.) You reference the bible ALOT. While I DO respect your Christianity (for I am a Christian, too), I think you get it wrong here. Lust is hurtful and harmful? I'd say that it depends on what you're lusting after? I love my husband, but I lust after him too. There is nothing harmful about that comment. See the definition here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lust. I'm hardly less interested in my husband, perhaps MORE. 3.) Your comment about men looking at porn, REALLY? IF my husband DID, he'd hardly compare ME to the women on the screen. They're fake and don't even really have sex anyway. I'm his wife, as real as you're going to get. 4.) By your own admission, you HAVEN'T read these books, but if you DID, you'd know that you don't quite know what you're talking about. Yes, BDSM is a focus of the 1st book, but the story actually is not.

    My marriage is not "in trouble" b/c I chose to read these books, my husband actually encouraged me to read them. I won't be cast to hell b/c I chose to read them ~ trust me, people do alot worse, ask for forgiveness and get eternal salvation, so I think I'm good.

    But in the future, if you want to endorse or in your case, NOT endorse.....perhaps you should have a better understanding of what exactly your choosing and who exactly you're judging.
    posted by Jacqui
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 10:02 am
  159. For those here who've sworn off fiction, I have to recommend http://www.lamplighterpublishing.com/ Mark Hamby has taken books that are hundreds of years old that are out of print and re-published them. These books are moral, good, spiritual, and inspirational! I hardly read anything else fiction-wise. I'd suggest starting with Ishmael and the sequel Self-Raised. My favorite book, next to the Bible. :)

    Thank you, Dannah, for your post!
    www.emerickhome.com
    posted by Becky
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 10:05 am
  160. Why are women in the church so quick to judge other women & say what they should or should not be doing. These same women are the ones who judged me for going to seminary alongside my husband instead of staying at home to "support" him by having baby after baby. They are also the ones that condemned me for using birth control so we could follow God's leading to adopt two beautiful children. These women don't realize how much damage they cause by making other's feel inferior & that they can never live up to their standard. I'm really struggling to separate who God is from the character and behavior of the church.
    posted by Marie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 10:18 am
  161. If your going to incorrectly reference science you should at least cite your sources. Basic writing skills could also benefit you as well.
    posted by lavon
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 10:36 am
  162. I assertively addressed my book club members when they chose this book, and told them I wouldn't be reading this book. They chose another one. I was hoping that this would decrease their desire to read the book, but I was disappointed to see that one of the women "Liked" the book on Facebook, and "pinned" it on Pinterest. I know for myself that I need to guard my heart and my mind against this kind of thing.
    posted by Angela Branum
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:31 am
  163. Thank you so much for this. You've very eloquently described my feelings about the book. People seem to be missing the fact that just because there aren't any pictures or video does not mean it is not pornography!
    posted by MJ
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:37 am
  164. This is a very good article. I am however very surprised at how many women (some professing Christians) are defending the book. Ladies, if we are children of the Most High God, Jesus Christ, we are born again....new creatures with new desires....those desires include wanting to obey God....not redefine His Word. This type of writing is sin. Period. It is adultry. If you are trying to justify it.... You are trying to justify your sin. My question to every Christian woman is.... Would you sit down next to Jesus and read this book outloud to Him? If the thought of that makes you uncomfortable.... That should tell you something. And if it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable... I would say that you may have an even bigger issue....you have created a God in your mind to suit your life and choices, and you may well not be following Jesus Christ of the Bible. We are commanded in Scripture to always be examining ourselves.
    www.aransomedlife.com
    posted by Lisa Carey
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:43 am
  165. "Focusing on the sin is legalism - and legalism kills a true relationship with God.
    A legalistic person has a relationship with rules rather than a relationship with God. Legalism produces a sense of self-righteousness in the person who follows the rules."

    This is what your article does. You focus on everything being a sin. Sin, sin, sin. It's not about sin. God has delivered us from sin; it's in the past. It's about RELATIONSHIP. A personal relationship with God. The harping on what to do, not to do, THE RULES. It's so detrimental. We need to face the things in life that are sinful, not hide from them. Only then, once you face and move through, shows your true relationship with God. There will always be people who become addicted to ANYTHING. Look at obesity in this world! Do you think we should hide from food?? God tells us everything in moderation!People who become addicted to anything have a hole in their heart which should be filled with their relationship with God. But that is up to each individual to deal with. I appreciate the fact that you want to warn people against things that can be harmful, but good grief are you self-righteous! The decline of Christianity isn't from non-believers, it's from people who try to fill the relationship with God with the "rules", and make it seem impossibel to attain. If you have a great relationship with God, which I do, you just have faith in everything. It's a sense of peace which can't be explained. But it's something I found myself, not in a church. I don't incessantly quote bible verses, or tell people about my sin and how grateful I am for Jesus dying on the cross, or any other buzz word people love throwing out. I don't need to! I show my faith and my beliefs from my actions. I just live my life, doing what I know is right. And gosh it feels good! And I read romance novels, watch trash tv, everything! They are all fun pasttimes. But they don't control my life. We live in a time where you post things like this article and the become viral on FB and cause a lot of people to talk...which can be a good thing, and a bad thing. When I made my opinion known, good grief did some become defensive. Why do you need to defend your ideals? You don't. People who are defensive are insecure. All the Lord talk and one started questioning me about how you get to heaven! I was raised in a way that allows me to talk about all this without getting my panties in a wad, where others have to hide behind all their talk. It's too bad...it's why we all can't have discussions on politics and religion. People are narrow-minded and can't put themselves in others' shoes. Doing so doesn't make you abandon your beliefs, it makes you stronger in your own. :)
    posted by JH
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:53 am
  166. I can understand where the thought its comming from, and i respect the choice of women and men in general. But it is just a book for simple pleasure. It is not your husband, another man, a porn star, or a whore. And its hardly porn. Sex and nudity are a natural cause. If you remember the first book of the bible, man was naked from the start. And i have been blessed to meet a man who i love an adore and charish and would never in a million years betray. We go to church, we do dates we are normal as they come. We have a family, we both have successful careers. But i am fortunate to be able to share the same sexual experiences written down in this book and enjoy them. I am sorry for those who are less fortuate to experience such a wonderful thing. Sex is where the human is created and whether you do it simple and loving way or crazy and wild, its all the same. You dont have to read the book. Its your choice, but dont go and judge someone for having the guts to express themselves. You dont know God personally and i am afraid that these lashings are more of "what will people think of me" than anything. Open your eyes to the world. Because honey, if it bothers you that bad, then maybe you should rethink your true inner woman.
    posted by mmh
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:55 am
  167. Satan is not in hell. He's the prince of darkness that roams this earth and seeks whom he may devour. We have so much evil. Only God is good. Christianity is not mythology. If you've never felt the Holy Spirit in your life, had a prayer answered, or felt God's presence, then you cannot speak for the rest of us who have. I anxiously await the day when Jesus returns to take us to heaven. And yes, Heaven is Real! Read this book!!
    posted by Betty
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm
  168. I appreciate your desire to be a good christian woman. That said, I am a tad offended at your presuming my reaction to reading these books, and feel that you're painting them to be worse (S&M is an overstatement, IMO) than they are.
    posted by Lis
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:15 pm
  169. who are you to judge what others enjoy in a bedroom you will never be invited into. don't like it? don't read it? i certainly have no interest in your vanilla baby making bedroom antics. In fact they disgust me - your fear of being yourself. you go read your silly book and others will read this, equally, silly book.
    posted by SavannahPeeSanbox
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  170. I can understand why some would give up reading fiction all together. (It is something I think I need to do.) It can be like a drug, you read a "safe" book, but then it will lead to a desire for a more sexually explicit book. Many can read a safe book with no desire to move on, but for some the temptation is hard to resist. (Combine that with the time you waste reading the trash.) For some, it is just better to stay away from fiction.
    posted by Lettie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm
  171. @ Ilsa

    thanks a lot, I'm feeling encouraged now and motivated to support my fiance in this.
    posted by Mims
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm
  172. First off, I think that the article says it all! 
    I am a male, a recovering sex addict to porn! And although my comments may cause a storm, I would like to point out that an offence is never given, it is always taken, since I am not setting out to offend, though rather to offer insight and Glorify God.
    Having read through the comments made concerning the article and in reply to other comments, it saddens me that people can be so supportive of candy coated porn, regardless of whether it is in the guise of fiction or not.
    Porn is porn is porn, and no matter how sweetly it is portrayed, the underlying purpose is to lead us down a path that progressively desensitises our conscience, leading to acceptance of porn as the norm within an enlightened society.
    Societies acceptance of pornography as 'normal' is exactly what soft core porn set out to achieve in the 50's, and it has become harder and more perverse and easier to obtain as the decades roll on. The bottom line is that ultimately porn is degrading to woman, and is not normal sex practice, it opens up a fantasy world to men who then try to implement those fantasies, within their marriage to spice things up, and wives may be a bit put off by this but later accept this as normal! Unfortunately it does not end there, unless a decision is made to end it there.
    I had been a ' Christian' for many years, and porn was my secret sin, and without going Into detail, the worship of the female form, meant that I was not worshipping God, and almost led to a breakdown of my marriage to a woman that I dearly love, which was my wake up call!
    I began reading the bible seriously for the first time from cover to cover, praying, fasting and really seeking God with all my heart, and learned to Fear God (this was the turning point in my relationship with God), and began a journey to really know Him intimately, I had to make a decision, and l decided to live for God, no more cheap Grace, and playing church, and took responsibility to not allow my lusts of the flesh to rule my life.
    The old testament is full of sexual sin, the Israelites became obsessed with sex god religions of the inhabitants of Canaan, and their disobedience to Gods commands concerning the total destruction of the inhabitants, in order to remove the temptation to follow the sex god religion, was not obeyed and exile and slavery was their reward.

    God tells us in his word numerous times to flee sexual immorality, and that is what I have to do now, God has set me free, and healed my mind, and hence I cannot even go there ever, and neither should anyone who says that Jesus Christ is Lord, there is no such thing as worldly Christianity, you are either a follower of Christ or you are not, if you are then candy coated porn is not acceptable, in the same way that stealing is not acceptable.

    God is calling his body to live a life that is holy and righteous and beautiful as we are the bride of Christ, God is perfect and we need to seek that perfection in Christ, who is our role model, the choice is ours, we cannot choose to do both! That is being double minded, and will get us nowhere with God, God wants us his body to start impacting the world, in the same way Jesus did, which leaves us with a choice!
    God set before us blessings or curses, Life or Death, God made the way, reconciliation through Christ Jesus, the choice is ours!

    God Bless
    R
    posted by Richard
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:32 pm
  173. Wow I think I'm go out and read this book now due to all of the controversy alone! And for the record, I most certainly would never listen to some religious fanatic trying to tell me what is appropriate and what is not. As if that person has the answers LOL! Humans are flawed creatures - the Bible mentions this too.. and no I would not read this book in front of certain people out of respect and privacy. Not because I feel I'm 'sinning'...that ideal alone made me laugh out loud. And alas...I am a Christian....just not so radical. I am a more forgiving/understanding Christian as I practice as another said..my relationship to God. I prefer to not push my ideals onto another (especially over something so trivial) - I've had thoughts of wanting to strangle a coworker at times...with that same thought process, would that make me a murderer? The thought process is so beyond ludicrous to me..as I said again, thanks for the mentioning of it because now I'm intrigued to read!
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm
  174. Wow I think I'm going to go out and read this book now due to all of the controversy alone! And for the record, I most certainly would never listen to some religious fanatic trying to tell me what is appropriate and what is not. As if that person has the answers LOL! Humans are flawed creatures - the Bible mentions this too.. and no I would not read this book in front of certain people out of respect and privacy. Not because I feel I'm 'sinning'...that ideal alone made me laugh out loud. And alas...I am a Christian....just not so radical. I am a more forgiving/understanding Christian as I practice as another said..my relationship to God. I prefer to not push my ideals onto another (especially over something so trivial) - I've had thoughts of wanting to strangle a coworker at times...with that same thought process, would that make me a murderer? The thought process is so beyond ludicrous to me..as I said again, thanks for the mentioning of it because now I'm intrigued to read!

    adding on..I respect your opinion to feel as you do about it. In that case, it's not on your book list. But referring to others as 'sinners' for reading this or wanting to is very over the top. Let's practice toning down the the judgment shall we?
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm
  175. I am christian I am 35 happily married for 9 years. 2 CHILDREN. I have read the first book working on the 2nd. It is fiction. It is a fun, mindless entertainment just like any other fictional or romance book where you might wanna just escape in for a couple hours. I can see how many would decide not to read it but come on people - aren't we adults? if your not mature enough to read a fictional book and not take it as a marriage betrayal or turn it into a religious issue. . Then I dont know what to tell ya..
    These books won't ruin your marriage nor will these book take you to hell, And My hubby really likes the fact I am reading it......
    posted by Jen
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm
  176. I'd never heard of this series until I came upon this blog. After reading the comments, I'd like to recommend a book series called The Sleeping Beauty Chronicles by Anne Roquelaure.
    posted by Ginny
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:04 pm
  177. There are far bigger problems in our world than worrying about whether this book is sinful or not. I am curious as to your thoughts on Song of Solomon (Song of Psalms) and whether reading them "is sinful." Obviously as the book is an allegory for how to love and cherish one another as a Christian Man and Christian wife, it's not. Neither is something that enriches your intimacy WITH your husband.
    I doubt this book makes women so hot and bothered that a woman must RUN to commit SIN.
    Seriously ladies grow up, pray about what God wants you to do. I bet you'll find something more pressing to attend to.
    posted by Mandy Williams
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm
  178. Ephesians 5:3-5
    3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
    4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater —has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

    She who has ears to hear, let her hear.
    posted by Robin
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm
  179. Thank you for this blog post.
    I had requested the book because I wanted to understand the hype. But after reading this blog, I cancelled my library request. I rather be safe than sorry.
    posted by Sarah S.
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm
  180. Amen!
    http://adorkab1e.tumblr.com/
    posted by Marg
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm
  181. Jen I am spot on with the same mindset. I am also happily married with kids for over a decade...reading any sort of erotic novel has certainly never upset my husband (I asked him just out of curiosity and he rolled his eyes! lol) - I asked if he was sure it did not make him feel insecure and then he laughed and asked why I would ask something so absurd - he replied 'it's a book...and no I am more confident than that to know the difference' - nor would it for me b/c some of his novels have some graphic things as well. It's fiction and I can properly separate what is real and what is not in my own mind as an adult. For someone to write so harshly about a fictional novel has me sitting here with my mouth open in shock...the preaching to others is where it's misused energy if you ask me. Furthermore to refer to those as reading it as 'sinners'....how over the top and judgmental! To be honest, I don't think Jesus likes judgment or outlandish or unwarranted fear mongering. Why not put the preaching into things better served like what we see on the news...murders, rape, child abuse......Put religion where it is best served..for those that need help - not to shame others over your own opinions. Go donate you time to help a family in need, donate clothes.....but to spend time bashing a fictional novel is so self righteous in judgment in my opinion. The preaching is so misplaced here. It actually saddens me that time would be taken out for something so trivial vs real issues that need to be addressed. This just solidifies why I steer clear of religious fanatics.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm
  182. I didn't really care about reading this book but now I can't wait. I think I'll order from Amazon right now. Thanks!!
    Chas48.bodybyvi.com
    posted by Kelli
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm
  183. I was a wonderfully, naive virgin when I got married, so ALL of my sexual experience has been with my husband. After many children and years and years of marriage, this book (recommended by my husband as something I might enjoy) was the spark that got me to finally open up...in every way!

    I was brought up in a legalistic home and taught that sex is dirty and pretty much only use to procreate. That is completely false and I praise God that my husband and I have been so happy with each other all these years and we have only had eyes for each other. This book has helped me see how wonderful a sexual relationship can be and that "getting dirty" is beautiful...when in the bonds of marriage.

    My husband and I are talking about our sexual relationship like never before and having a LOT of fun with a fresh, new desire on my part to make him incredibly satisfied. I've always been his "submissive" due to being a godly wife, but I had no idea what other ideas were out there and it has been a wonderful journey for us.

    On a side note, I've been reading Song of Solomon alongside the books and have enjoyed that too! I am an avid reader of the Bible and worship God with all that I am. I happily worship Him even through sex and the beauty and joy that it can bring to a marriage. We are SO happy together and this book series has helped spice things up (thank you, hubby).

    My biggest complaint about the book is the harsh language that was used and I pray that it will not infiltrate my mind.

    I DO NOT recommend this book for everyone. Those who think about and mull over things that they read would have problems with it. Those who think about men other than their husbands or are having problems in their marriage, should not read it. However, those who are spiritually strong, do not over-think or fantasize about characters they are reading about (I can't even picture Christian, by they way!!) and are looking for a little added spice in their marriage...then pray and read. It's been great for us...just ask my husband!!
    posted by SubmissiveWife
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm
  184. Dear Dannah:
    Thank you so much for sounding the alarm about this harmful book. You stuck your neck out and spoke truth. Sadly there will always be those, who despite the warnings, will go ahead and do their own thing, to their own detriment. Thank you for being faithful.

    For Richard: Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and being transparent about how God delivered you from the snare of pornography. Amen!
    Our God is awesome, and there isn't any addiction He can't free us from! May He continue to bless you and your family, for His glory!

    Concerned
    posted by concerned
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm
  185. Thanks for the post. As a counselor, I underscore your warnings about the neurological, interpersonal, and spiritual harm in feeding toxic images to the brain.
    www.wholecounseling.com
    posted by Tina Yeager
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm
  186. I think it's funny that you all base your reasoning from a book that is as equally fiction as the book you condemn. Çsnt you just say, "To each their own...your choices don't effect me and my family."? And this is exactly why more and more Americans shy away from Christianity. Lots of judgment with no real evidence to support the claims.
    posted by SARAH
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm
  187. I don't get all the defensive posts claiming that others are judging anyone who reads it. I agree completely with the author of the blog and many who call it an unnecessary open door to evil. I had no interest when my husband's daughter told me about it and that she couldn't read it without blushing. No interest when others have discussed reading it. Guess I don't need the enhancement some seem to get from it and don't enjoy that kind of entertainment that others see it as.
    posted by Beth
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm
  188. I wrote a post about this too a couple of weeks ago. i can't agree more with dannah.
    http://livingwithpower.org/fifty-shades-of-grey/
    livingwithpower.org
    posted by lina abujamra
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm
  189. I find nothing wrong with Dannah's point of view for herself on this sort of material or subject matter. What I do find wrong is for her to outright shame others for making a choice for themselves and refer to them as 'sinners' for doing so. She spoke the truth for.....'herself'...not for the world. It may not be on her reading list but it's on my mine now just for the controversy alone. I prefer to make up my mind for myself and feel I'm strong minded enough to do this without being snared by the devil lol! ...not by what someone who comes across as self righteous has to say. She is not God and her opinions are just that...her own. Harmful would be not paying attention to or to neglect our children. Harmful would be to purposely use the word of God as a catalyst for your own messages and view points..harmful would be to hurt another human being or animal....harmful is far from a 'fictional' book and I'm proud to know the difference. I also think it was nice of the wife that posted to be so candid in her views. She also made it clear it's not for everyone..how refreshing to hear a point of view that doesn't push the mindset onto everyone. Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing when use appropriately. (as in not to shame other people for their choices just because *you* deem it as wrong - there is only one judge that I'm aware of)
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm
  190. Oh Submissive Wife. I have to say you are breaking my heart and I'm praying others won't follow your advice. You wrote:

    "those who are spiritually strong, do not over-think or fantasize about characters they are reading about (I can't even picture Christian, by they way!!) and are looking for a little added spice in their marriage...then pray and read. It's been great for us...just ask my husband!!!"

    Be careful to define spiritual maturity according to the scriptures and not the world's faulty standards. Here's what Hebrews 5 says:

    11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."

    A spiritual mature person can be identified, in part, by the fact that they are able to distinguish good from evil. They are able to do this because they have trained themselves with the scriptures and teachings on righteousness. They know the Truth so well, that a counterfeit has a terribly stench. Upon the first whiff of such a stench, they flee. I Corinthians 6:18 says, "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin[a] a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."

    A spiritually mature person does not try to tempt themselves. They run. In fact, we are told to pray this way: "Lead us not into temptation."

    I fear that your reasoning is that if you are mature, you can sin "just a little" and it won't hurt you too much. Well then, Ephesians 5:3 says, "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people." How much is too much? A hint.

    There are much better ways to spice up your marriage bed that won't lead you into temptation and cause you to hint as sin.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm
  191. Mandy, the differences between Song of Solomon and erotica fueled by bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism are vast. Song of Solomon is a poetic portrayal of the courtship, engagement, and marriage of two mature adults who are fueled by loving interactions. Any sexual interactions that occur are behind closed doors and enable the reader to know that sex is a beautiful gift but is meant to be treasured as a private knowing of one another. There are no crass obsessions with violent sex nor are there descriptive sex scenes. I love Song of Solomon.

    And hey, Submissive Wife, you might love Song of Solomon. I'm so sorry that your early childhood made sex taboo. That is a distortion of God's great gift as much as erotica. They are just two ends of the spectrum of misuse. There are a lot of great resources out there that offer a Christian woman a healthier way to enhance sexual intimacy with her husband. Being brought up in a rigid family can cause a lot of sexual dysfunction. To begin with, simply getting over the unhealthy guilt or shame associated with beautiful marital sex. A Christian resource will help you to get to the root of the dysfunction through prayer and God's truth rather than just inserting unhealthy scenes into your head. Try exploring some Christian books on the subject and go much deeper than fiction can take you in exploring God's wonderful gift.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm
  192. Wow! I can't believe what some people think. I have a healthy and awesome relationship, we have a 16 month old baby and I am a Christian but good lord ladies. It is a fiction book. I read all three and loved them. I tell them to everyone. The man character in the book had a rough life and because of love, he changed his outlook and ways and fell in love. He never "pushed the girl" to do anything. Keep your religious beliefs to yourself and if you haven't read it then you have no room to talk about the book. It's an amazing love story that ends in the couple becoming married and having two kids and him actually loving. It has no way changed our relationship or left "images" or "wants" in my head. If ya don't like it then fine but don't judge if you haven't read it.
    posted by Jaimie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:37 pm
  193. Really? This is the most ridiculous blog I've ever read. This ranks right up there with the Smurfs, Harry Potter and Twilight being evil. Get a life people. Just because it's not the bible doesn't make it wrong or a sin. Get over yourself.
    posted by Mandy
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm
  194. As, I am also a believer, I see the points in this article but they were made without any knowledge of the book but by judgement of the book. Which to me is typical. Something HUGE I have struggled with of Christianity is the how so many fellow believers are the most judgemental people I have ever met in my life. If you feel God has spoken to you and to obstain from tv, or fiction books. Then, right on. You are to follow his requests. I read, I watch tv but I do not judge those who are against it. Everyone has a personal relationship with God and no other person is called to judge them for it. I did read these books. All 3 of them in a matter for 4 days actually. I also have been married for almost a year. These books reminded me so much of myself and my husband. I did not lust after a fictional character. To be honest, I wanted to love on my husband more because what I was reading was so similar to my husbands childhood. Anas strength, patience, and unconditional love to Christian was amazing. It made me want to be that much more encouraging to my husband. If anyone were to read these books before judging them, you would understand it is not porn. So there is no way it needs to be compared to porn. Yes there is sex in the book. And sometimes, I skipped over a little bit of it. But in reality, this does happen to too many people. Too many people out there have been abused, grown up without parents, raped, left alone. People should not be so close minded to this. This is a story about what a child went through and how it affected him throughout his life. It is about his girlfriend.. then wife standing by his side and not giving up on him. Again, I am just frustrated how easy it is for Christians to pass judgement on each other. As it is written, every sin is the same in Gods eyes. Do not ever think you are better because you think you have a stronger relationship than someone else. Everyone has skeletons in the closet. If you want to call me reading this book sinful, great! Your judgement of my character is the same.
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:42 pm
  195. BDSM is not all about men dominating women. There are plenty of situations where men are submissive and women are dominant.

    There are also different levels of BDSM. If you've ever been spanked by a partner (or done the spanking), that's BDSM. It's also getting on top and dominating someone or being the submissive one on the bottom.

    Everyone has different preferences. You may prefer blondes over brunettes. You may like men with beards instead of clean-shaved faces.

    We're all individuals; please don't try to force your beliefs on us!
    posted by Mel
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:47 pm
  196. As for whoever told me to get over myself for my viewpoints and not perceiving a fictional book as 'detrimental' to my soul or well being...really? Very mature and really nice in using Jesus name in vain. Moving on...

    Matthew 7:1-2 ESV

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

    Romans 3:23 ESV

    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV

    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    Romans 14:10-13 ESV

    Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

    James 1:27 ESV

    Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

    1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

    Romans 5:8 ESV

    But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    ==

    So nice of Dannah to shame 'submissive wife'. Please do not pray for me over something this trivial - please do pray for those out in the word starving or in real despair..I am confident of my choices in life when it comes to literature and otherwise. I do respect *your* choice of not finding this book to be suitable for you.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm
  197. Makes me happy to see people stand up to people trying to make their beliefs and religion onto others. It's a book and if you haven't read it, don't judge because it looks to me as everyone that has read it does not feel the same way. Don't read it if you don't want but who cared if others do. I loved all three :))
    posted by Jaimie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:54 pm
  198. I agree with Mel..I feel this person is forcing their beliefs upon others which I feel is at the root of what is wrong with our society today.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 4:55 pm
  199. I agree with you both Mel and Sarah. Ridiculous!!
    posted by Jaimie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm
  200. I agree with Mandy too..made me laugh....I don't even know why I let some religious fanatic bother me. I guess I see it as the core of all that is wrong in our society..it's WRONG to push your beliefs onto another..it's fine to speak of how *you* feel but to shame others is not right. I feel sorry for anyone that chooses to do that or sees themselves in such a self righteous manner that they may take on this role. (I will pray for THEM!) - We all have 1 judge and that judge is not another human being. This is an insanely ridiculous blog. Please preach about the more important things in life that we know go on every day...or serve by donating your time, yourself to worthy causes. It will serve you better than to just upset others with your fixed judgement on a viewpoint forced upon people that they DO NOT share with you.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:03 pm
  201. one question....if you voluntarily read something, does that mean that someone is "forcing their beliefs on you"? that doesn't make any logical sense. (to some previous comment posters) a blog is an place for people to state opinions. in no way is it making someone else change theirs. just thought i would point that out. and a reminder, as Christians every thought, action, or feeling should be to glorify Christ. it's difficult to accomplish that especially if your mind is in things that aren't godly.
    posted by Katie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:07 pm
  202. Thank you for your boldness here. I wholeheartedly agree with every single word you have written here! And I have a couple of Christian friends reading this series...I appreciate your warning to Christian women. I rarely read any non-Christian novel or book these days and even some Christian novels are too explicit, sad but true. Again, thank you!
    http://www.irishsteps.org/Irish_Steps/Blog/Blog.html
    posted by Tiffanie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm
  203. 'Pushing beliefs' Katie...not forcing my hand at what I am doing or can do. That was not meant in a literal sense. Pushing beliefs is to make others feel their belief is wrong or to shame their way of thinking. It is to push your mindset onto another (or try to) because you believe you are right and they are wrong. I'm a bit too strong minded for that to happen however I do feel irritated at others that seem to glorify their own opinions. I guess I'm merely...human. The book is on my list to read...I don't care *who* thinks it's Godly or not. May I dare to suggest they find a better way to spend their time than worrying over what others read.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm
  204. Katie, you are right. A blog is a place for people to state their opinions. It is my opinion that this blog is absurd. And Tiffanie - you have no idea what you are missing with rarely reading non-Christian books. You can't live in a bubble people - closed minds = closed hearts.
    posted by Mandy
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm
  205. Stop judging everyone around you and live your own life. At the end of the day it is just a book, read it, don't read it, but don't you dare condemn me if I choose to. It's important to have different types of literature out there in order to have an educated and diverse population that are able to think for themselves. Don't you remember when Hitler conducted book burnings? When did that turn into something that was ok? Just because something does not directly coincide with your ideology does not make it wrong. And at the end of the day if this is the only thing that you have to worry about, than you're doing just fine.
    posted by Ava
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:38 pm
  206. Oh Mandy and Sarah... How I agree. Concentrate on something else if you haven't or don't wanna read it. I hate people try to make someone feel bad for what they read. I'm beyond glad I read the grey books. Prob one of the best series I've read and I read everyday and all types of things. Believe what you want but I am a Christian and that doesn't change bc what I read.
    posted by Love50shadesofgrey Jaimie
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 5:39 pm
  207. WOW Ava! Great post - I wish I would have thought about the point of Hitler and the book burnings...when we attempt to dictate what is 'right' or what is 'wrong' for anyone other than ourselves, we are treading dangerous waters. It is vital to have different types of literature for how diverse our world is. There will be some that are repelled and some that are not by certain things. And I agree with another that this is an absurd blog to even attempt to condemn people that read it.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:01 pm
  208. This book is being praised from the rooftops to the streets. Everywhere I turn, it is being uplifted and encouraged as a means to spice up marriages. This is the first place I have found where the author strongly cautions women to abstain from this book. And with very biblical reasons to do so. I dare say the accolades outnumber the criticism 100+ to one. I, for one, applaud her for taking the plunge and writing what so many of us know to be true... You can pretty it up, call it a romance, create relateable, likeable characters but at the end of the day, porn is porn is porn.

    I've heard over and over, well, it doesn't cause me to sin so its fine. But as a wife in a 15+ year marriage, whose own intimate life has never been hotter (without the help of this book), I can assure you, there is no such thing as a "little" porn in my eyes. I dare say many would cry foul if men were getting hot and bothered over a little daddy porn.

    For those feeling judged or condemned by this post, might I suggest you stop pointing to the author and look inward at what has you so riled up. I wonder why those who feel they are participating in frivolous, innocent entertainment come to the one site who says its wrong, to defend themselves. There are hundreds of other sites who are willing to share your viewpoints. This is one place for those of us striving for holiness, in our lives, relationships, actions, to support and encourage each other in abstaining from a cultural tsunami.

    To the author. I commend you for taking a stand on such an unpopular viewpoint. I'm praying that God will protect you from the onslaught of attacks from Satan. Keep up the good fight.
    posted by Lynn
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm
  209. I appreciate the opinion you and others may have on this series of books. I have read the first two and I can tell you that yes there are strong sexual undertones in these books, but that is not what the story or the theme is about. It is about redemption in your eyes and the eyes of others. It is about coming to terms with your own self worth and dealing with demons from your past that you had no control over (example a bad childhood). The series is about love and the last time I read my bible God did not have any issues with redemption or love. If you choose not to read these books that is your choice but get off your high horse as the authority of all morals and realize you are not the judge and jury...God is.
    posted by Amanda
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm
  210. I'm hoping E L James writes a 4th book!!!
    posted by Shannon
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:23 pm
  211. @Lynn - for those feeling judged you ask? It's obvious we are and we have the right to express our dismay over someone casting judgment over what we read and suggesting that what we are doing is a sin. That is nothing you need to look inside for..it's an insult. black & white. Yes we are defending the right to read what a person chooses without it being looked upon as satanic or whatever else...just another fanatical religious tactic I've run into. Name calling and questions like, 'Why so defensive? You must feel like you are wrong' - nice try. :)) I could counter by asking why you feel we don't have a right to post our opinions...do they threaten you?

    And don't put words in my mouth or anyone elses. I'm here to speak openly and stand up for those (and myself) for choosing to disagree. What has me so riled up is that judgment such as this (over a fictional novel) is really what is terribly wrong with society. If we could all learn to co-exist and respect choices of another without referring to it as 'sinning' or condemning it, this would be a more peaceful place to reside. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes; "Science flies you to the moon...Religion flies you into buildings".....

    By suggesting those that oppose are 'attacks from satan' is yet another direct attack or insult for the mere fact we are voicing our opinions. I have many amazing Christian friends that work on their relationship with God without managing to insult the
    choices of others so this can be done. It sure must be a challenge for some. And the reason I even found this site was because I saw it linked on facebook. After reading it, I was appalled that someone claiming to be a Christian could be so very .....obtuse.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm
  212. I am a librarian and see this book and the sequels come through almost every day. I felt the discernment in my heart from God telling me to stay away from it, but I wouldn't have gone for the content anyway. It reminds me of the children's book Go The **** To Sleep--just flat out wrong to see people flying to the bookstores to buy. What kind of culture is that leaving for our children? What kind of moral high ground do we have the right to stand on if we, even Christians, cannot stay away from such things like this book that are so blatantly of this world? None. That's the answer; none. I will not read this book. I will also not order this book for others to read. It is against everything I stand for, and I will not promote the reading of it to anyone else.
    posted by Nikki
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm
  213. For a true depiction of God's love and redemption, might I suggest Redeeming Love, by France Rivers. Amazing book!

    Sarah, this is merely one woman's viewpoint on a book that has taken our culture by storm. It is as much her right, my right, to take a stand against a book that puts many on a slippery slope. We're called to have holiness in every aspect of our lives, and I for one, refuse to let my guard down. Its been said, "Watch your thoughts, they become words. Words become actions. And actions form character." I am guarding my mind for that very reason.

    However, you are right about one thing. God alone is judge and jury. If you feel no conviction in reading these books, that's between you and God. I don't know your heart any more than you know mine, or the author's. However, what she has presented here, and quite succinctly I might add, is another viewpoint of this book. Everywhere I turn, we're being told there's no harm in reading this book. When in fact, it can be quite harmful for a lot of people. If anyone has questions or wants more information about this book, here is another opinion.

    Sarah, calling us judgmental makes you no less judgmental yourself. If we choose our road to holiness on the other side of this gray area (no pun intended), how does that make us wrong? I would rather err on the side of caution. But again, that's my opinion.
    posted by Lynn
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm
  214. thank you for writing this. I have been having these types of debates with my Christian, single and Married, friends for years.

    You may call me a prude, (as a few have) but I have seen the deterioration in the sex lives of both the single and Married friends who have entertained these things. They do not seem satisfied to me, seems like it is never enough. Where as I quite frankly enjoy my relationship with my husband, going on 10 yrs. now.

    So, I am not seeing what the appeal is... Oh yeah, selfish instant gratification. But this never leads to true SATISFACTION.
    posted by Angel
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm
  215. I really can't believe all the controversy one book is causing. It is a book and if you don't like the subject matter well then don't read it. You should not have to explain to anyone why YOU would not read a book ... frankly who cares. Although the books are not literary master pieces I thought they were fabulous. I am not ashamed to say I read them and I am a Christian. Now let's move on people. There are far more important issues to discuss than a book you would all enjoy if you gave it a chance. Laters Baby!!!
    posted by Jennifer
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:23 pm
  216. @Lynn..are you saying it's not my right to vocally express how much I disagree with this mindset? and Lynn...I do understand it's one person's viewpoint however when we start referring to certain literary choices as a 'sin'..again we are treading on dangerous waters.

    I completely agree with *your* choice to stay away from this book as well as Dannahs. I'm sure you know what is good for you and adult enough to make
    those choices. I would not condemn you for that choice or for merely vocalizing it. However I have the right to voice that I don't think I'm launching a satanic attack for disagreeing. Am I not doing the same as you? Voicing an opinion? I'm glad you have your holy guard up...but please respect those of us that may see shades of grey (no pun intended on my end either) when it comes to what we feel is right for ourselves. I'm not challenging you to a war of morality. I'm just saying to respect the choices of others without fear mongering or name calling. If you don't trust your mind then fine...I completely trust mine as I've read an array of books..some you may think horrible and some you actually condone (not that I care) *however* my mind is unmoved..unwavered.

    For those the book is harmful for..then they should stay away. There's no way I could disagree with that.
    Tell them what's it's about and allow them to make that choice. But to refer to those that choose to read it as sinners, or anything else...I can never agree with that and it is casting judgment. We are obviously different types of Christians..maybe. I focus on my personal relationship with God - I feel no need to compare anyones literary choices as to driving my vehicle in front of a semi. lol..a tad extreme? Where you see caution...I see none. But my mind has always been strong and in my life nothing has swayed me to partake in anything that would be regarded as extremely 'sinful'..though I fully admit to imperfection and I sure can't say I'm without sin. That would be hypocritical for me to even suggest that. Stating that you pray for Dannah against the 'onslaught of attacks from Satan' was a low blow against those that were stating they/we disagree. In a nutshell you are referring to everyone who disagrees as Satan. Nice. And if you can't see the judgment all over when it comes to condemning the reading material, maybe..just maybe you should review all that was written again. Referring to those are judging as judgmental is not the same thing but hey at this point we can agree to disagree.

    When Dannah lectures 'submissive wife' over her literary choice & helping her marriage, I would say that came across as judgment. But I don't see myself agreeing with you on much after the satanic remark. Again..low blow.

    On another note..Redeeming Love looks like a fantastic read. I looked it up on Amazon. I don't have just one style when it comes to literature. Not by a long shot. I don't choose to live confined. I've read anything from classics to Stephen king to Anne Rice and whatever I feel hits me at the moment. And I don't think anyone or I that is choosing to read 50 shades is comparing that as an accurate depiction of God's love lol!!! I had to laugh at that mere notion! Thanks though...but I know the difference. Sometimes some people read things out of pure entertainment. I believe in being diverse..as I said before there are things some may feel repelled by or some may embrace & agree. But please let me
    be clear..I know what I feel is a true depiction of God's love in *my* heart...that's all I can be responsible for or speak for. As I said prior..I think that must be really difficult for some.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:44 pm
  217. Thank you, Dannah, for your very wise words.
    posted by Dani
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 7:54 pm
  218. @Sarah, my sincere apologies if I appeared to be calling you, or anyone else with a dissenting view, a tool of Satan. I assure you that was not my intention. I was merely trying to offer support who I'm sure is being inundated with emails. I can only imagine what is being said behind the scenes. Again, my apologies if it was taken wrong.

    I, too, am an avid reader of both Christian and non-Christian fiction. I love books of all genres, and actually finished The Hunger Games earlier this year. In my opinion, 50 Shades is more graphic and crosses the line I've laid out for myself. Again, just my opinion.
    posted by Lynn
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:13 pm
  219. All these comments are quite amusing. I found the post from a friend on fb and WOW! A lot of strong emotions. I had decided awhile ago to not read the books because I had heard they were not really well written and basically about sex. Shoot I can read about sex pretty much anywhere so why waste it on a poorly written book? I couldn't read the twilight series for the same reason - really shoddy writing : I read fiction for entertainment but also it needs to teach me something or at least provoke some deeper thinking and I like non fiction to educate myself. I get why many would choose not to read for whatever reason but as for me, I don't want to waste time on something that isn't going to do much more than get me "in the mood" - I have a husband for that purpose :D
    Www.xmomof2.wordpress.com
    posted by Elizabeth
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm
  220. @Lynn...No problem. I did take it that way and I understand now. Thanks for explaining. Rest assured I'm not emailing anyone..I would never go that far. I can understand your feelings on 50 shades...I also have friends that are not interested in it for the same reasons pointed out. Some are, some not. To each their own.....I haven't read it yet but I definitely know it will not appeal to everyone and who knows..I may not even like it lol. And the hunger games is on my list as well - I am hoping that will serve to be a good read and look forward to the movies.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:37 pm
  221. I find it interesting that there has been a lot of scripture quoted here.

    Here is one for the records.

    1 Thessalonians 4:7 God has called us (believers) to live holy lives, not impure lives.
    www.robindfowler.blogspot.com
    posted by Robin
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:43 pm
  222. @Elizabeth...The twilight saga was terrible. (Just my opinion) - I defended that series too but in the end found it to be a terrible read due to the overall poor writing and female lead character. I have a *many* twihard friends as they put it and was roped in by the idea of the story. No disrespect to my 'team edward' or 'team jacob' friends in this...lol.....but..i have to agree it was not good. I felt the foreground story had much potential ..but when writing in first person, there must be a very compelling & strong character to which I didn't feel with 'bella'...reading her thoughts was like watching paint dry at times. I read all 4 books though just so I could debate properly and I stay with the stance that it wasn't good to me. Sometimes I'm more forgiving if the story is good enough but too many ridiculous boring parts to which I felt I could not understand. And then I liked the werewolf kid better on top of it all.
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:47 pm
  223. Spoiler Alert:
    At the end of book three, the couple, Ana & Christian, are happy, married, and expecting their second child. Ana still participates in some of the non-typical stimulations that her husband offers. Christian is still overwhelmingly in love with her and both are committed for life. His pyschiatrist told her that Christian was dealt a bad hand when he was born and that he found a way to cope as a teenager and young adult but when she could not participate in his lifestyle, he changed. He decided that having her was a greater need.

    In a literary sense, the books are page turners but not necessarily well written. I was annoyed by the language. Accept for a few "vocabulary" words of the day the reading level is at best 8th grade, which is why so many can read them so quickly. I'm thinking it's kind of like literary junk food. It tastes great but offers no nutritional value.

    I am a born again believer and I was raised in a Christian home where the decisions of what "we" sought for entertainment was a given. "We" didn't partake in most popular entertainment. As a Christian adult, wife, and parent I am interested in being able to speak to those that aren't Christians about such things in an educated way. For instance, I would point out that no virgin could accomplish as many world-altering, mind-blowing "experiences" so often, back-to-back and with such intensity. And that while most men are insatiable with the women that they truly love, this guy's abilities reminded me of fictional characters that can "leap tall buildings in a single bound" and shoot spider webs out of his wrists. Seriously, I laughed out loud as I lost count of their encounters. Totally unrealistic.

    But I also saw Christian as a bigger-than-life version of some men who are controlling, worriers, and full of jealousy. Some points that were made about Christian have made me want to cut my husband a little more slack. And I too have to purposely remember to TELL my husband what I'm thinking and feeling and not expect him to know magically.

    Romance books usually have this sort of pattern. A female that women can relate to because she is more beautiful than she gives herself credit for. A female who is strong willed but still wants "hearts and flowers." A female who is smart and a male that appreciates that. A male that is strong but has some deep need that only she can fill. The male is usually rich or offers some sort of happiness that allows her to escape harsher realities. A male that is handsome and makes other women swoon while he ignores their swooning and only has eyes for his love. The female usually has some physical imperfection, in the case her pale skin and clumsiness. But he finds her to be the most enchanting and captivating woman EVER, all the while he rejects other women that are considered physically perfect. She saves him. He adores her. It's a formula. It sells.

    If I were to meet this couple (first I might ask for some tips) then I would pray and look for an opportunity to offer the rest of The Complete Abundance that one can not fill for the other. I would befriend them and rejoice with them over the victories they have already seen God do by bringing them together and over his abusive past. I would love on these two people and pray that they saw something more in me and that I could invite them to Christ at right time.

    "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

    The question isn't will you or won't you read these. The question is how does God want to use this discussion about these books in your life and the lives of those around you in order to bring glory to Him and to ADD to His kingdom.
    posted by 1WhoRead
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 8:59 pm
  224. @ 1WhoRead..I think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. There is a formula to many of these types of books and yes it sells. I think in today's society it is women who feel insecure due to the media, expectations of how we should look, how much we should weigh...all of it. And more so now by adding careers, being held to a high standard as parents if we have kids, etc. I think the imperfect female winning what would be seen as a guy many would desire is the main ingredient to the formula. As well as him only adoring her..only having eyes for her. That was twilight's allure to many of my friends. I heard that mentioned alot...'at least bella isn't this overly perfect female that is impossible to be'.....bella was made to which many girls could relate to something about her. Despite being a poorly written book (again my opinion) every girl could relate something to the female lead whether it be she is not the perfect beauty, the clumsiness, many things. I did not feel bella was a strong character though and that disappointed me. Just my take maybe. I think the important thing is to have the ability to separate reality from fantasy with this sort of thing. For me, there's nothing I am gong to gain other than entertainment...
    posted by Sarah
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 9:24 pm
  225. Mel. The question you bring to this conversation is this: “Is BDSM really all that bad? Can’t it be experienced in a marriage if both partners are in agreement?” As a married couple, we’d like to try to answer this question.

    I'm grateful for your transparency and the gentle way in which your presented your opinion.

    I can only guess that your marriage bed, if you are married, is loving in all ways and at all times, and that there are never bruises, blood, or injury of any kind in any way. And that you are both equally interested in what I’d prefer to call some aggressive play. The tone of your message tells me that this is so. If you have moments of playfulness …who am I to judge?

    But be careful what you call it! Please, be careful what you call it.

    BDSM stands for Bondage. Dominance. Sadism. Masochism.

    Sadism? Masochism? In psychiatry, the terms sadism and masochism describe a personality type characterized by the actor or actrix deriving pleasure and gratification from inflicting physical pain and humiliation. The terms specifically refer to one who either enjoys giving pain (sadist), or one who enjoys receiving pain (masochist). These are words that are direct counterfeits of God’s attributes.
    posted by Dannah Gresh
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 9:32 pm
  226. I think the reason you all are so scared of the book is because you know if you do read the book you will lose yourself in the book and actually enjoy it. There could be worse things you know than 2 consenting adults finding love, acceptance and a fulfilling sex life. BDSM is not for everyone that's for sure but to each his own. It is not anyone's place to judge others preferences in the bedroom. If it offends you so much then stop focusing on the book. I don't feel the need to ask forgiveness for reading Fifty Shades of Grey. I hope EL James writes another book.
    posted by Fifty Shades Fan
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 10:06 pm
  227. @yfaith please watch the 20/20 on the author. She discusses all the porn she had to watch to write this book ... hmmm porn helped her write PORN scenes! How on earth is it different? We justify evil by the good in the book! I can read plenty of books that show what a good man and husband is! I don't need to fill it with filth to get it! Nor do I need to use this book to understand what hard lives kids have! It is so sad to me that you use the good to justify the bad! I am not perfect and never ever will claim to be! I have watched things that I regret and wish I never had! I can tell you that I have never done so and felt the good out way the bad! We are entitled to say it is bad with out judgement! IT IS OUR OPINION! We are allowed to have one aren't we? It seems anytime you go against main stream it is judgmental! Well I feel you are judging me for voicing my opinion for not approving of this book! The door can swing both ways you know!
    posted by Cherish
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm
  228. I would like to here one scripture in full context that supports reading this book. Just one that supports reading a book full of a romance and sex outside of marriage. The Bible does talk about sex and the various consequences when people stray outside of God's intent for marriage. There is always heartache that goes with sin. Sure sin feels good and even acceptable in the moment but it always reaps heartache! David justified his relationship with Bathseba... Human justification of sin is never Godly. If you look at how Satan played on Eve's desire he still is playing the same trick! God still loves us and forgives us but what does that say about our love for Him when we run into sin? Is that what love does? Does love abuse the grace and mercy that was given? The only man that has ever dies for me and shown me true love is Christ! How should I replay such an amazing act of sacrifice? I can never repay bc the cost is too great! I can however follow His heart and flee from the things of this world that are not of Him! My sins are struggles that I strive to do away with bc of my love for Him. I'm far from perfect and am beyond thankful for the Cross. Why would I try as a did when I was young to justify my sin in the presense of a Holy God! God is love and is Holy! The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. People say it's just a book well Porn is just a movie but neither are productive to marriage. It brings a third party into the marriage. That should only be God husband and wife! The only third party in a marriage should be the Holy Spirit! I also waited as did my husband for sex inside marriage. It is such a blessing! We have been together for almost 11yrs of marriage. He is a great husband and lover. Porn destroys lives and marriages. I was a victim of such bc my own father molested me. Porn was his secret sin. It corrupted his mind. It's very personal to me bc the fruits it bares are evil! As Christians we are known by our fruit... What benefit does a book like this bring? It's described as mommy porn by non Christians and Christians alike. Even without all the lude sex acts the fact of Christians cheering for the premarital sex between the couple shows how subtle Satan can work. He gets you Hoping for them to sin! Hoping for sin is a sure sign that it is an evil seed just waiting to grow! It's like a weed that starts out small then chokes out a beautiful garden if not taken care of by rooting it out! God designed sex as intimacy between husband and wife for our good pleasure. He sets limits to protect us and the marriage covenant not to spoil our fun. He gave Adam and Eve the same choice. The cost was great! Don't fall prey to Satan's tricks bc he's been using that one from the beginning. He hates you with a passion and loves to see marriages destroyed! God loves you and wants nothing but the best! Honor His sacrifice with your life! Take up your cross and follow Him! What sin is worth it? What sin is worth hurting God????
    posted by Minda
    on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 11:58 pm
  229. For the woman who referred to herself as a "victim of sexual abuse"......my prayer for you is that you see yourself as a SURVIVOR, someday soon....do not give your abuser that power over you....
    posted by LisaS.221
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:07 am
  230. "Reason #2: The Bible has said for thousands of years that lust is hurtful and harmful. Guess what? Biopsychologists and others are studying the effects of lust, pornography, and erotica on the brain and the body. They are finding that the Bible was, in fact, right. Over time, your body becomes conditioned to self-stimulation and gratification. It’s not just a preference. It’s physiological. The lust cuts a literal pathway in your brain tissue that’s kinda like a rut. A rut you better be prepared to get stuck in. While at first a little bit of erotica might give you a taste for your spouse, over time that rut reminds you how great you are at self-stimulation and how powerful your imagination can be. You’ll become less interested in real sex with your husband. (Both SELF magazine and The New Yorker ran articles on this phenomenon in recent years. They both suggested that if you want to have a great sex life, you better push pause on porn!) The fact is, erotica robs you of real sex. It’s not good for your marriage or future marriage. "

    Okay, maybe I missed it, but someone explain to me the damage done?

    Also, she lied about what biopychologists say. The first part is human, bonobos and dolphins [to name a few species that engage in recreational sex] are hard wired for the fact. What's more sexual-gratification, self or other, stimulates the brain [especially in women], which is a positive, particularly in preventing brain degenerating conditions.

    To top all that her bible endorses genocide, slavery, mutilation [genital and other], infanticide, executing disobedient children, executing gays [for no real crime, no less], the oppression of women [worse than even Communist China] and a police state style of thought crime that would've made Hitler proud.

    To take your Bronze Age book of horror and put it where it belongs: in the fiction section.
    http://www.walkingotherworlds.com/index.html
    posted by John Steiner
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:26 am
  231. My cousin posted a link to your blog and since I was curious I read through your evaluation. While I don't necessarily agree with your view point, I do appreciate the boldness of standing up for your beliefs. To be honest I just recently heard about the books while watching some national news, and again because I was curious, must mention I'm am avid reader of pretty much every genre, I downloaded the snippet to my kindle. I read about 20 pages, didn't make it to any of the "erotica" but I stopped reading. This book is horribly written, without the hype, I feel most educated women wouldn't give this book the time of day. So in promotion of literacy, free speech and free thinking I applaud you!
    posted by Skye
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:30 am
  232. @Minda - I don't care that you want to hear a scripture supporting this book. No one said they had one that did nor were they reading it for anything more than entertainment!! Of course there is not going to be a scripture that supports any of the graphic sexual parts however the overall story according to a friend is about a person sexually abused that has awful ways of connecting yet moves toward becoming different and learning to love differently. I guess I'll find out when 'I' read it :)) - As I have said prior, I've read an array of books. I choose to live diversely and I don't have to validate that to anyone. What I read and don't read will be judged by God I suppose ..I really don't feel I'll suffer eternal damnation over 50 shades. A tad harsh. In fact it's so ludicrous to me that it's laughable! I have read plenty of past graphic novels as well....and pssst..it has not caused me to stray or do anything of that nature outside of my marriage. I can separate fiction from reality very well. Granted some can not..but I guess I have been blessed with this ability. I would like to stop hearing scriptures being thrown at a fictional novel as if it's the root of all evil....There's plenty of 'real' evil in the world to go after. That was an insane amount of preaching over a fictional novel.

    I get this is not a novel you would read....I understand but let's be careful about asking others about their morals because of of what 'they' choose....that is flat out wrong! And in all honesty, it's no ones business if a person watches porn either. I don't b/c it's not anything I care about but i'm not going to judge another's choices OR their marriage. Who am I do do that? Their marriage is their business...not mine. Their relationship with God and their viewpoints are also their own...not mine. I don't compare those things to adultry..Sorry....I don't see it in the same way.

    Maybe you have seen porn cause destruction...I don't know. Personally I never have and I've known plenty that may have taken a peek or more at it. I don't pry into what another person is doing. If they were harming a child or committing a crime I would be the first to speak up but otherwise, if there's no harm, it is their private life - I also am not one to judge it. There is only one judge...who is not human or on the internet or otherwise. I'm sorry to hear that you went through molestation however I feel that person would have done that with or without porn as a sick individual does that. I don't blame violent shows for murders..I cast blame where it belongs...to the one who did the vile act. I just could not imagine living an overly confined life restricted
    by what someone tries to dictate as right or wrong....wow.
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:33 am
  233. I don't understand how you can criticize something you haven't read and refuse to read. It seems very pompous and judgmental of you. Read the book, THEN speak your mind. How can you criticize something you know nothing about?? Without having read the book, your opinions don't hold any water, to be frank. Yes, I'm a Christian woman and yes, I am married. I can't talk about my feelings about the book because I haven't read it! I regret that you have made others' feel as though they can't or, if they do, they are sinning, etc. etc. Know all the facts, THEN make up your mind regarding how you feel about it. Please do this in all other aspects of your life, too. Knowledge is power. The rest is just mindless fodder that makes people feel bad about themselves. P.S. I'll die if you tell me you're a Twilight fan...
    posted by Cass
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:36 am
  234. @John..love your input....I was a bit miffed by #2 as well. AND I questioned it but honestly none of that dribble affected what I thought when it came to what I think on this issue. Thank Goodness..again it just solidifies how I feel about Christian fanatics. Not Christians mind you...only those I feel that are a bit much...fanatics. Hypocrisy, judgment and many other bad traits I have found to be in common with these types.
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:41 am
  235. @Cass..now that deserves a real AMEN!
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:42 am
  236. By the way, for those who don't think that Song of Solomon doesn't describe sexual encounters, please read it again. It is a beautiful book about the love between a husband and wife and absolutely, 100% describes IN DETAIL sexual encounters between the two. What do you think it means when he "tastes of her fruit?" - that he's eating a grapefruit she picked up at the market?! They both describe in great detail what they adore about one another's bodies, from her navel to her breasts to his arms to his lips. Please, read it again! It is beautiful, powerful, and yes, erotic...and guess what?! There's nothing wrong with that! :) we should all be so lucky to have a marriage in which there is such passion!
    posted by Cass
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 12:56 am
  237. I found this post through a couple of my friends' FB page. I have not read the books. In fact, I really didn't know much about this book until I read this blog. Now I will read the books just to see what all the hubbub is about. I find that I am a better judge of what is acceptable to me than strangers on the Internet.
    When I began reading the comments on this post I found myself becoming angry and upset at the tone used by both sides of this argument. I respect Dannah's right to write this blog and voice her opinions just as much as I respect the rights of the author of the "questionable" book. The lack of respect for other people's thoughts, beliefs and ideas is what seems to me to be wrong with the world. I am friends with people who have differing faiths, political parties and ethical ideas than I have. I have found something rewarding from all of these friendships without ever feeling I need to make my idea theirs.
    I just hope in the future that you will take a moment to think about how you would feel if someone tried to change your beliefs. I believe it is possible to disagree respectfully and without the intent of changing the other person.
    posted by jax
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:04 am
  238. THANK YOU for your post! I have now decided to read the series. With this much hoopla, there must be something special there. I've been aware of the series for a few months, but with 1,000+ other books on my kindle I was in no hurry to read these. But now that sexually repressed women are coming forward and telling others what not to read, I can't sit idly by. What is next? "50 Shades" book burnings?!?!?

    With everything going on in the world right now, you thought there was a need to try to convince women of what NOT to read? Laughable and sad, but mostly just sad.

    Heading over to Amazon to purchase the kindle books now. Thanks!
    posted by Alison
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:28 am
  239. I actually really agree with Jax's post. I think we all (myself included) could stand to take a moment to think about that. I got too charged on the idea of someone telling me what I choose or select to read is 'sinning' and so forth but I'm sure I have sounded disrespectful myself. My apologies if I did that as I do feel co-existing should be the foundation above all. When there is passion in beliefs there is commonly dispute. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to read it or choosing not to however I will say to please not refer to me or others that do as sinners etc...It only acts as a catalyst to a fued over something pretty trivial. Everyone has their opinion on this but should not question another persons morals over what they choose when it comes to a book.
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:28 am
  240. Dannah, I appreciate that you spoke out about an obviously controversial issue. Thank you for sharing your choice and the research you have found. That does take courage. I would encourage the siting of sources for your information. I'm sure that would help legitimize the claims as well as help those who are considering reading the book to make a well rounded informed decision. Again, desiring to point out to your Sisters in Christ the dangers you see is honoring and honorable.

    If the literature is labeled erotic fiction then we as one's who desire to not only follow Christ but to love Him and honor Him must respond to this label with true and wise discernment measuring it to scriptures like Philippians 4:8 (Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think on such things), just as we do with anything we take in.



    Speaking to the idea that SoS content is like SoG made by someone comment section --Song of Solomon is such a beautiful book of the Bible, pure and graceful, filled with two lovers expressing verbally their love and appreciation for one another and the other's body. It is not explicit. It is an intensely selfless love poem, one of the most well written I have encountered. A comparison between SoS and SoG JUST on a literary and content level is unfounded and not logical. They are very different works.

    In our words to each other concerning judging, I hope we has Christians first seek to reflect His humility and His gentleness above making sure our voices are heard so that when those who are not following Christ and those who need His love, see Him and not just our brokenness.

    Philippians 4:5 Let your gentleness be evident to all.
    posted by Mascha
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 2:13 am
  241. Don't worry I'm not a twillight fan at all! I'm consistent in my life regarding this issue. I try to avoid and have given up certain popular shows bc of the content not lining up with the Word of God for my life. I also tried at first to justify watching certain popular shows or reading even the more innocent novals. The thing for me is I'm a romantic at heart. I love a good love story but when I was convicted I began to critically look at all those love stories. I blame Disney lol! It sets us up for unrealistic expectations of romance. Plus just about all of the romantic genre out there are about the courtship phase. There is almost nothing about true love that endures such as a 50+ year marriage that stood the challenges and test of time! Now thats true love! I do think that it does contribute to discontent in some marriages bc people start to compare a marriage to the fantasy. Just as playboy depicts unrealistic comparisons and pressure on women to attain a certain image of beauty romance novals create a certain image of manhood. These books are largely written by women to fulfill a woman's fantasy just as porn is largely produced by men to fulfill the male fantasy. Neither one is productive in the long term in a marriage. A marriage that endures is the kind of marriage I want mine to reflect. The divorce rate is high largely bc we only care about our own happiness. This is promoted by this industry of self gratification. I have seen porn rip marriages apart and others wounded but by the grace of God be reconciled. I don't have to read it to know it's not a God approved book for me as a Christian to read. The fact that public libraries will not carry it due to it's content is proof enough for me! I also don't watch playboy or subscribe to magazines that are similar. I didn't have to see porn to know it's not what a Christian should partake. I also don't have to use drugs to know it's not beneficial to my body. Wisdom is important to use when considering such materials. Praying about it and looking to what scripture says is important for my life and the life of all believers. Not bc I'm legalistic but bc I love Jesus! I don't want to hurt Him and my relationship with Him. When I was younger I didn't care as much and was selfish. I wanted what I wanted and that was that! After all I was an adult and I could make my own decisions. What foolishness! My life is not my own! I was bought with a precious price... The very blood of Christ! No one has ever died for me but Christ! There are countless love stories and songs about it but only Christ died to set me free from sin! Not only that but He dies for those who would despise and reject Him. His gift of salvation is free! He offers true love that endurea for all eternity! Why is it more important to read a trashy novel than to honor His love and sacrfice! It's like saying that it's more important than what He did! Nothing is more important!!! Even good things can be sin in our lives if it's more important to us than Jesus. If I make my children or husband the thing I worship more that Him then it's sin! Sin is sin whether it's a so called white lie or murder! It all separates us from God! I strive to not sin! God doesn't expect us to not be tempted bc Jesus was tempted by Satan. What He wants us to do is respond like Cbrist did to that temptation and not like Adam and Eve. Christ by contrast to Eve used scripture to deter Satan's attempts to tempt him. Eve used human rationalization to give in to sin. It was appealing afterall bc that's the whole point! It does feel good for a season but it bares rotten fruit in the life of the believer. God said you will k ow one another by your fruit! He says to abide in Him. He is the fulfillment of your void for love. Even in a good Godly marriage the spouse can not ever fulfill that place that is only for God. He completes you and makes you whole! Not your spouse and that's what these books promote. Fulfillment pushes of Christ. Every addiction out there feeds upon filling that void that can only be filled by Jesus! When Jesus met the woman at the well He called her out on her sexual for ication and adultery. Was that judging why yes he did! He called a spade a spade! But that's just part of the story! He didn't just leave it at that He told her of a love that would never run dry! He spoke love and life into her heart! When He stopped the stoning of the woman caught in the act of adultry He also challenged her to go and sin no more! God offers His love and challenges us to turn from sin. If the scriptures speak against it then it should be something for believers to avoid. The Bible is clear that fornication is sin. Therefore I don't need to indulge my time in participating in that sin. By reading the book in question I would be doing just that bc I would be cheering the couple on as they commit sexual acts outside of marriage. I say this for the benefit of believers. It's a caution to think before you do. We all need to do that in our lives if we love God. I'm not talking to unbelievers bc they are not saved. They don't claim to love God with all there heart! If you truly love someone then you do things that would be pleasing to them and not hurtful. I try to stay away from things that are tempting not out of legalism but out of love for Him! Even if my husband were to ask me or give me something that gies against scripture (which he wouldn't do bc he loves God) I would have to decline bc my first love and honor is to Christ alone! If you want to think I'm radical or think I'm judgmental then go ahead. I've been called worse lol! I would rather show my love for Christ and my husband than to be popular. The Bible says that if your a disciple of Christ then you will be hated bc they first hated Him. Calling sin out can be the most loving thing a person can do! If I didn't care about my fellow believers then I wouldn't say anything and if I hated you then I definitely would keep my mouth shut bc I know where sin can lead if we don't repent! Even the worlds view of the smallest sin is enough to separate us from His love! That's why Christ's sacrifice on the cross means everything to me! I don't measure my standards to the world or even other believers I measure it to the Word! I know that I'm a wretched sinner saved by grace! I also know on judgement day I will not be justifying my sin but rather throwing myself on the mercy seat of the cross by which I am saved! I don't deserve it none of us do but thank God for redemption, forgiveness when I stumble and fall into sin, and reconciliation to God through Jesus! Be blessed!
    posted by Minda
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 3:32 am
  242. Thank you for posting this. Maybe it will stop someone from unknowingly making the same mistake I did. I generally stick to "Christian" books - I know not all co-called Christian books are Biblical, but at least I don't feel like I need a scouring pad for my brain after reading them. I had NO idea what I was getting when I started reading this book - didn't even read the back. Almost everyone I knew (Christians, too!) was reading this book. I figured it was something along the lines of The Hunger Games. I had to put Fifty Shades in the recycling can. I couldn't even give it to the thrift store. I was disgusted - felt like I had unwittingly rented a porno movie. It certainly taught me to do my research a little better, and I hope your blog saves someone from making the same mistake I did! By the way, if anyone is thinking there must be a good storyline, well, I couldn't find it, but then I had to throw the book away by the time I got to Chapter 5. I've done a TON of reading in my lifetime (I'm majored in English literature in college), and I've never read anything so bad. If you've ever had the unfortunate experience of seeing a porn movie, well, this is the book equivalent - there was no story line, just lots of violent sex - worse than a porn movie really, at least the handful of porn movies I've seen. Don't read this just to satisfy your curiousity - it's pure junk.
    posted by Ann Lois
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 3:36 am
  243. Dear All,

    I read many conflicting ideas in the comment section following the blogger's opinion of Fifty Shades of Grey and the trilogy itself.

    As a Christian who loves to read - I did, indeed, read the first two books quickly. I found myself fantasizing about the characters both during the reading and afterward.

    For my mind, this was pornography. I have a keen imagination and was able to vividly picture what was going on between Ana and Christian.

    I began to think about the book more often than I'd like to admit. Like Christian coached Ana to, I started to look up BDSM stuff online. The books began to take over a territory in my brain - as we all know we must take all thoughts captive to Christ.

    Both of those habits sent a major red flag into my brain. I discussed with my God and then with my husband. For this girl, the Fifty Trilogy is not conducive to a wholly Christian life. But every person is on a different path with Christ. Rather than suppose that this book is intolerable to all, I allow every Christian woman to decide for herself whether this book is a health addition to her life.
    posted by KateyW
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 5:43 am
  244. Titus 2:11-12 "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age..."

    Thank you for being a voice that speaks to ungodliness and worldly passions. I cannot find the voice to argue on these things, as those who do not WANT to be convinced will not be convinced, but I will say this: Song of Solomon is a METAPHOR of the consummation of Christ and his church. The Bible must be read from beginning to end to understand this. All MARRIAGES should depict this, and that is why Song of Solomon is included in scripture. That is something that cannot be captured by 50 Shades or any other erotic claptrap. DON'T give in and read it to be credible to an audience who only wants you to join them in their sin. Grace should not give us a reason to read, do, say, or think whatever we want. It should teach us to say NO to ungodliness...
    posted by K T Elliott
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 6:27 am
  245. I think what might be even more disturbing is a factual account of all the sexual abuse perpetrated on young children by priests and youth group leaders.

    Mims----are you sure your husband isn't going into the other room to watch porn on his computer instead of "praying" as you watch tv? Serious question.
    posted by Sweet corn princess
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 7:16 am
  246. I started reading the Outlander series and the sex scenes were like reading porn. My husband could not live up to them and neither could I! It took a long time to get the words and images out of my head and come back to reality. These are dangerous books.
    posted by Brianne
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 7:16 am
  247. "To top all that her bible endorses genocide, slavery, mutilation [genital and other], infanticide, executing disobedient children, executing gays [for no real crime, no less], the oppression of women [worse than even Communist China] and a police state style of thought crime that would've made Hitler proud."

    This comment is particularly troubling to me. Sounds like someone has read a "review" of the Bible and not the actual book. As a FREE WOMAN who was taught to read at the age of 4 and went on to major in and teach English, I have an appreciation for LITERATURE. As a Christian, I have the utmost appreciation and respect for God's living word. One cannot read it cover to cover with the illumination of the Holy Spirit and gather these things. God is not pleased by oppression and killing. He may use those things, but His intent is that no man should perish (2 Peter 3:9). I am grieved, but not surprised, by the lies that non-Christians tell, but I am CRUSHED by the lies Christians believe and perpetuate. It is time to wake up.
    posted by K T Elliott
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:11 am
  248. I am so glad to have found this post. I woke up praying for some women I know who are "devouring" this book. They are so lost. If I personally knew a believer reading this I would be all kinds of emotions. Thank you for writing this clearly.
    http://allaboutclothdiapers.com
    posted by Autumn Beck
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:24 am
  249. I think what might be even more disturbing is a factual account of all the sexual abuse perpetrated on young children by priests and youth group leaders.

    Mims----are you sure your husband isn't going into the other room to watch porn on his computer instead of "praying" as you watch tv? Serious question.
    posted by Sweet corn princess
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:31 am
  250. The heron's a saint when there are no fish in sight.
    Bengalese proverb
    posted by Carolyn
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 9:09 am
  251. Stop judging everyone around you and live your own life. At the end of the day it is just a book, read it, don't read it, but don't you dare condemn me if I choose to. It's important to have different types of literature out there in order to have an educated and diverse population that are able to think for themselves. Don't you remember when Hitler conducted book burnings? When did that turn into something that was ok? Just because something does not directly coincide with your ideology does not make it wrong. And at the end of the day if this is the only thing that you have to worry about, than you're doing just fine.
    posted by Ava
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 9:18 am
  252. Dannah, I appreciate your honest, bold, and brave assessment of this book. Thank you for speaking the truth in love, for giving wise counsel, for providing a warning to those who may be in danger. Praying for protection over you.
    As for me, may the words of my heart and the meditation of my heart be please in your sight, O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.
    posted by Jana
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:39 am
  253. @YFaith you stated; "words offer no visual stimulation.. and it is completely fictional."

    Simply not true, for people like me, words are visual and it takes no great effort on my part to read a book and visualize. That is why I can't and won't read many books on the market today, because I can visualize the actions being described through the written words. So your theory doesn't hold water.

    And just as Dannah said these images leave scares in my thoughts and in my heart.
    http://www.rustiqueartblog.com
    posted by Cindi
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:42 am
  254. Man! Heated debate!

    I'm stickin' my earlier comments though.
    posted by 1WhoRead
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:47 am
  255. on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    @YFaith You offer praise for the book if it might lead to awakening the sexual appetites within marriages. Well, that could back fire. One of the things we are discovering in the field of sexuality in general is that when porn or erotica is used it generally leads to a decrease in sex with a real partner. While there might be an immediate awakening that creates more of a sexual appetite in a marriage bed, the risk is great that it will eventually lead to less sex in the marriage bed and a greater appetite for more porn and more erotica. That's simple science.

    Could you share these studies that you're referencing?
    posted by RachelBR
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:11 pm
  256. Thank you so much for voicing what has been an internal struggle for me. I have so many girlfriends and family member reading this right now, I knew that this book would ruin a part of me but I didn't know how to voice the concern to my loved ones reading it. Thanks to your thoughtful reflection I now have a source to show to others.
    posted by Jessica
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:24 pm
  257. I can only say this... Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

    As a long time member of the BDSM community, I find your view of our lifestyle (what little you actually expressed of it) to be very closed minded and judgmental. Have you truly done any research into what it means to live that kind of life. Have you asked a Dom/me or submissive what it means to them? Or have you just gone with your prejudicial vanilla understandings and not looked deeper?

    Before you paint our world as evil. Do some research, learn a little about, find a person's motives for living this life. You may just be surprised at what you learn... about us and about yourself.

    Yes, I am leaving my full real name on this comment, you are more than welcome to look me up on Facebook if you would like.
    posted by Vanessa Lauffer
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:28 pm
  258. Wow this is so ridiculous that it's still going on but I am going to start poking at friends and ask what they are reading. If i detect any foul language..any sexuality graphic scenes *at all* or otherwise expressed; i'm going to gasp and refer to them as sinners and preach as to why the book they have picked out is the work of satan working to lure them into a sinful lifestyle. I think it will be funny to see their expressions of 'she went off the deep end'.....
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 1:42 pm
  259. I don't plan on reading the book, but only because I never read "trendy" books, and have heard that the writing is pretty bad anyway.

    That being said, I have to disagree with this post. I don't think its true that men are so easily "addicted" to porn - in fact, to be honest, I watch it more than my husband! I also think that BDSM - if done correctly and respectfully - can be a great experience between partners, so long as both are willing. And its not just the men who are dominated - either partner can assume the role. Boring sex is probably one of the fastest ways to kill a marriage, in my opinion.

    And finally, if we're going to quote Bible verses, what about Song of Songs? Doesn't that qualify as erotica? (probably tame compared to 50 Shades of Grey, but had to have been pretty racy for the time!)
    posted by Monika DeLeeuw-Tanchyk
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
  260. I have to respectfully disagree with you in regards as to why a woman, or even a man chooses to be a submissive. I have a very high self esteem, i come from a loving family and i very much believe in God. But i have chosen a D/s relationship because I like many others process pain pleasurably and get pleasure from the loss of control and vulnerability. Not all of these relationships are humiliation or torture based. Educate yourself before you judge.
    posted by A.H.
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 3:12 pm
  261. Hmm. so many things well said here. And so many things said...not well. First? this is a fiction novel. that means it's made up. if you can't keep that straight, don't read it anyway.

    Second? I completely respect a person's choice not to read something based on their convictions. don't judge them for that.

    Third? BDSM is not a sin when expressed in love and marriage. There is nothing sinful about love in marriage as long as it is mutually consenting.

    Fourth? Porn is not the number one addiction of men, CAFFEINE is. Then cigarettes and maybe alcohol. They might think about sex after that, but porn? it sells, yeah, but not like Starbucks.

    I will state again, I respect this blogger's choice in not reading this piece of FICTION. That is her choice and I also respect her choice in warning others of similar belief that they wouldn't want to read it either.

    Personally, I couldn't care less about the book. I used to WRITE erotic fiction. It bores me. The only thing that excites me now is that look in my wife's eyes, because I know that's real. I didn't make it up, and no one else did, either. It's truth and I love it.
    posted by David
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 4:05 pm
  262. I'm with Lee Law. Well said, especially the bit about conversation being struck up by this book. Also, The Girl Wirh the Dragon Tattoo was more disturbing to me as well. But don't worry, I'm sure these people would argue for not reading that as well.

    Sidenote: Don't discriminate against those that willingly participate in BDSM. As far as I'm concerned, that's more respectful to women than those of you that vow to "submit unto your husbands". The day I need my husband to approve my reading material is the day pigs fly. That is asinine. Use your brains ladies- read it if you want. Don't read it if it makes YOU uncomfortable. Don't let someone else make up your mind for you. I mean, unless you were silly enough I to vow to do so before god and everybody else...
    posted by Fedupwiththeright
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 4:46 pm
  263. Yes we definitely need more people telling us what not to read/watch/think/do.
    There's enough we need to be saved from.
    posted by Old lady who lived in a shoe
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 5:19 pm
  264. I have lived on both sides of the collar. I have been both Domme and submissive. I am a sadomasochist, more a masochist. Through the infliction of pain on my body; either self inflicted or by someone else; I find a rather cathartic release. Sometimes it is purely sexual in nature and sometimes in the midst of the pain my head clears and I'm able to think on something in my life easier and in such a way as to come to a firm decision that I had not been able to reach before. There is power in the release of control, there is strength in the surrender, and there is love in submission. How is it then that it is evil? How can something that your own God desires (i.e. love) be evil? Is it simply because you don't understand it? Or is it something else that you are afraid to admit to yourself; that you wish for the release of control or for someone to release that control to you? Look deep with in yourselves before you condemn us, and ask yourself why you do it.
    posted by Vanessa Lauffer
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 6:44 pm
  265. Amen sister. Good for you for posting this. Such an encouragement!!
    posted by Debbie
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm
  266. It is against my faith and the Word of our Creator to read a book that began as Twilight fanfic.
    posted by Scarlett
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 7:36 pm
  267. Thank you for your post. What a waste of a novel...Satan is trying his best to break up something that should be beautiful
    sisterswhat.blogspot.com
    posted by Havalah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:26 pm
  268. All I can say is wow........with all the "sin" and "temptation" I have given into by reading these books (and enjoying them) I'm not sure (by the standards given by the author, and for all the stones being cast) if I should show my face at church on Sunday and have a relationship with god. Am I allowed to call myself a Christian anymore? Geez......
    posted by Gottobekiddingme
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:34 pm
  269. All of you who posted a thank you to this woman for her "boldness" are clearly sexually deprived and probably just need to get laid. And for you information, Christian Grey is ANYTHING but a "vanilla interpretation of manhood." If you read the book, you'd understand WHY. But you haven't so shut your mouth! Please and thank you.
    posted by MARGARITA
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 8:37 pm
  270. "@John..love your input....I was a bit miffed by #2 as well. AND I questioned it but honestly none of that dribble affected what I thought when it came to what I think on this issue. Thank Goodness..again it just solidifies how I feel about Christian fanatics. Not Christians mind you...only those I feel that are a bit much...fanatics. Hypocrisy, judgment and many other bad traits I have found to be in common with these types."
    posted by Sarah

    @ Sarah

    As an ex-mormon and later, ex-evengelical [anyone who takes Jesus as their court appointed messiah should be seen as a christian, but I digress] I look at this with the science. Miracles haven't been reproduced under scientific scrutiny. Having read the bible cover-to-cover and studying many of its books, I would say that the bible is far more destructive on emotional health of women [worse than the qur'an in fact] and contained more unethical behavior by the believers than anything written in modern times. In the old testament a seemingly bipolar Yahweh flips from being an abusive father, to a gang banger to the ultimate Dr. Josef Mengele. If a god like this did exist mankind would've long ago destroyed such an entity in order to bring a better form of justice. The torah, bible and qur'an are trouble's trio that no decent human being can in good conscious use as a guide book.

    As to erotic fiction I don't read or write any because it bores me to tears. If and when I put romance into my novels they're side plots and I generally keep the sex out in order to avoid detracting from the main plot Snowflake Girl uses vampirism as a metaphor of sexual assault in a similar way to how Bram Stoker did it, and with my work the attack itself was only first stage of victimization. Stages two and three were due process of law and society respectively victimizing the survivor again. Granted my standard for womanhood was set by Sigourney Weaver in the Aliens movies, so I lend toward that archetype for main female characters.

    Part of the reason the very mention of Twilight offends me. That book is about how to keep an abusive boyfriend around and be attracted to the serial stalker. That the idea of a 117 year old hanging around a high school scoping girls is a monster this society already has a word for: pedophile. At least with a vampire pervert you'd be justified in sending a small ops team equipped with a set of lances and a flamethrower after the bastard.
    http://www.walkingotherworlds.com/index.html
    posted by John Steiner
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:37 pm
  271. Hello everyone,
    I have literally gone through all of your comments and taken them to heart. I currently have the book "50 Shades of Gray" sitting next to me un-opened.

    I am 22 years old, a christian and a full time student/ part time worker.
    My boss recomended this book to me saying that the story line was really good but warned me that it did have sex scenes. I am not opposed to sexual scenes in books, I have never had sex (I am waiting until I am married) but I am perfectly fine with reading it, it does nothing for me, its all just part of the book.

    But my sister sent me the link to this post as a warning for me since she has been hearing about it and wishes to stear me clear of anything that could be detromental to my mind and faith. I have schizphrenia and manic depression so she worries about me a lot.

    I am so torn about reading this book and I was hoping to find a clear concise answer as to what I should do with the comments on this blog... but now I am only more confused...

    I have asked God and I have gotten nothing to dicern from Him so I am worried and confused. Worried that it could hurt me mentally or that I may actually like something considered as "trash" by other women...

    Do any of you have any advice for me?
    I am half tempted to just flip through the book and read a paragraph here and there to see....

    What should I do?
    Thank you
    Sincerily
    Charity Case
    posted by Charity Case
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:53 pm
  272. Any opinion about this book that is not backed by Scripture is irrelevant.

    It doesn't matter what you think or feel: "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"-Jer. 17:9

    It only matters what God thinks, and you have to read Scripture to figure that out. Shall we?

    "But among you there must not be even a HINT of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people...Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret."-Eph. 5:3, 11, 12

    "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."-Phil. 4:8

    "For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, NOT IN THE PASSION OF LUST like the Gentiles who do not know God... For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you." -I Thes. 4:3-5, 7-8

    "“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?... Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."-I Cor. 6:12-14, 17-20

    “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.”-Gal. 5:19, 21-23

    I could go on, but what’s the point? There is not a single way to defend that book if you read Scripture.

    And by the way, we are to “test everything; hold fast what is good”-I Thes. 5:21

    As far as all the typical “don’t judge, or you’ll be judged” arguments, you have to read the entire context of Scripture. It’s referring to being a hypocrite. A lot of people in Scripture judged, and rightly so. Jesus judged the religious the harshest. And Paul was pretty clear that we ARE to judge: “But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”-I Cor. 5:11-12

    “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”-Matt. 18:15-17

    And of course: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, REBUKING, CORRECTING and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”-2 Tim. 3:16-17

    All that being said, basing it entirely on Scripture alone, no one has any good reason to read that book.

    If you can show me that the book should be read based entirely on Scripture, not your personal opinion, I’d be very interested in your response.
    posted by Liz
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 10:55 pm
  273. @Charity Case..I would not normally be a person to seek advice from anyone off the internet *however* with what you mentioned and having a mere thought that this would not be good for 'you' personally then why bother?...I would advise you to not read in that case. In my case, I'll be fine and look forward to seeing what it's about but I'm lax in some of my viewpoints...I do not have manic depression or schizophrenia either. I am more than rest assured as I have been with anything I have ever read that this is just yet another fictional novel for me. However after reading what you wrote..I would not be so quick to suggest that in your case. Have books like this been detrimental to 'your' well being in the past? I can't be a person to decide things for anyone over the internet but I'm basing my advice off of what you have chosen reveal. I would say 'why take the chance if it could do that to you?'....and that decision is not based off any sort of Christian/religious belief..merely that of which you have chosen to reveal about yourself.
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 11:07 pm
  274. I just don't see how so many of you "Christian" woman an be so judgmental? It's ridiculous. ESP bc half of you posting have my read the books.... If you had, you would no the books are not all about porn. Everytime I put the book down... I couldn't stop thinking about the suspense of the book that was gonna happen next.... Not the sex. And I haven't thought about it sexually since I finished them. If you think it's sin to read a sexual book then think that but don't sit here and preach to people that they shouldn't, and it's sinning, and wrong for a marriage bc mine is better if anything. All you Christian woman are not doing right by the lord by judging and spending your time "condemning" others for a dang book they wanna read. Look back at your own lives and look at all the sin you have prob done in gods eyes.... And you wanna tell people they are sinning over a book. It's just ridiculous. Read the book if you wanna blog and debate about it... If you don't wanna read it then keep quiet about it and debate about something you actually know something about!!!!!!!!
    posted by JAIMIE love50shadesofgrey
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 11:15 pm
  275. This is well said. These ARE facts-speaking from personal experience, I have to agree with when it comes to the physiological effects, and I value your opinion and the fact that you won't read them. You stand true to your belief, and I look up to you for that.

    I, for one, have read FSOG, and living in the Seattle area, I'm appalled at the fact that someone can publish a book that has geographical facts all wrong, plus all the "Britishisms" that a Pacific Northwest girl can spew out. Not to mention some "Twilight" plagiarism.

    This book is a perfect example of the term "sex sells".
    posted by Anne
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 11:18 pm
  276. Per Liz - 'Any opinion about this book that is not backed by Scripture is irrelevant' (lol..ok)

    *after the tons of scriptures she posted reminding anyone reading this book that they are sinners in a nutshell* (I think I read like 2 - yawn)

    Liz retorts 'All that being said, basing it entirely on Scripture alone, no one has any good reason to read that book'

    Oh Liz. Use Bible scriptures to tell others what they should or should not do much? Please use them for yourself and not as a catalyst to propel (or push) your viewpoints onto others.

    I say any opinion that thinks you are damned to hell because you read this book due to the fact it's *not*
    backed by scripture is also irrelevant as well as some other opinions I may have but I'll leave those out. They are not nice.

    Liz, has it occurred to you that there may be some who are actually not Christians or are from another faith or *gasp* could be agnostic to which none of the scriptures you spout off mean a thing to?

    Even as a Christian, I'm so much more lax than you in my viewpoints. I'm not as stringent and if that is wrong in your eyes..well....I just don't care. I won't lose sleep over how another perceives my life as Christian. That's between me & God.

    Thank you for the Bible lecture but none of that even matters to me at this point and I think it hardly matters to those who feel as I do. My belief is that God knows your heart. God & Jesus realize there is much to be desired with human nature and if anyone dared to try to live up to every expectation spouted by religious fanatics I fear they may go mad. I feel humans are the hypocrites...maybe God/Jesus would prefer we not read it..I don't know. But I do know there are plenty of books you could pose that question toward. It just makes me shake my head that some can be so overly self righteous when it comes to what 'others READ'....

    I'm reading it for personal pleasure..right or wrong. It's just a book really. It's not murder. It's not rape. It's not a crime of any sort nor will it make me go out and commit one so of COURSE I do not have a scripture to back it up. I never expected to nor do I care. I don't think one person who is reading it has thought there was a scripture defending it. In fact that thought is ludicrous. You'll have to settle for my very feeble (as you see it)....opinion. sorry.

    I will say all of this has made for a fun day at work for me as I am questioning what everyone is reading and have asked if they feel it's Bible worthy..and if not they need to put it down and run as if I were serious. The looks I got were hysterical!
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 11:44 pm
  277. @Jamie..No they are not helping a thing or anyone by condemning others but you know...I fear it's what they do best and all that they know. Your mind is only as big as the universe you allow yourself to live in and to see without blind judgment. For that, they have my pity.
    posted by Sarah
    on Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 pm
  278. Yes, I completely agree with Dannah!! Thank you for having the courage and boldness to post this. I don't care what any of your critics say, you are spot-on. May God be glorified in our efforts to bring Truth and Light to this dark world!
    posted by Mom to Two
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 12:14 am
  279. God warns us not to be lukewarm Christians. You cannot pick and choose which sins you can knowingly committ. Props to you, Dannah, for your bold stance and choosing to avoid that which may cause you to stumble. As far as living in a bubble, I'm secure in that. I'm called to be in the world, not of
    It. I can keep Christian music on my radio, refuse to watch/read trash, and I'll be just fine.
    Also, if you're looking to a book to add
    The spark back to your marriage, there are cleaner, faith based books that deal with MARRIAGE,
    Not premarital sexual encounters.
    posted by Jen B.
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:34 am
  280. Thank you so much for this post. I shared on my FB wall as I agree completely with your statements.

    What I wasn't prepared for was being blasted with this statement from a gentleman who is a "FB Friend": "Ok here's my rant....this whole true women "why I'm not reading 50 shades of Grey.." I really don't care... It's a freackin BOOK.... There are 1,000s of books you will never read write an article on each of those...omg... Don't read it then... Quit being so self righteous...."

    It wasn't my desire to be self righteous, it was my desire to have my FB friends just to think about the content prior to reading and not just follow the popular thing. I believe if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!
    posted by Katrina
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:40 am
  281. 1Corinthians 5:12 "For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?". People seem to focus on the verses that say "judge not...". But they never see this one or others like it that clearly show that those in the "Church" are actually supposed to be accountable to each other. Judgement does not equate to Condemnation. It isn't a bad or negative thing. Holding each other accountable to a higher standard (God's) is a very loving thing to do. We do it as Christians to build each other up in the faith, not to tear each other down. There have been many a wrong "Christian" who has condemned others in their attempt to rightly judge. But this misapplication of God's command should not negate the good that should come from the proper used of discernment and accountability in the church. Exploring others to abstain from unhealthy, wrong, sinful or foolish choices is a good thing that all who bear the name of Christ should welcome. Rather than react so harshly toward the encouraging, exhorting brother or sister a Chrisitian's responsibility is to humbly examine his/herself to see how what has been said can bless them. Self examination is a good thing. Encouraging others to beware of a potential stumbling block is a good thing. Loving your neighbor as yourself is a must. Judge, but do not put yourself in the position to Condemn. Be willing to be thought. Be willing to find out that your choices might be wrong choices that are actually unGodly, unholy or unedifying. There is nothing wrong with being encouraged in this way.
    posted by Amia
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:53 am
  282. "Be willing to be taught". Auto correct is messing with me! Lol
    posted by Amia
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:57 am
  283. You people are insane!.
    You're all talking about women as if they are little fragile flowers that need warning and protecting from the big bad world of books. Get over yourselves and stop pretending you are so much more morally superior than everyone else.
    Being Judgemental, condescending and stalking library wait list are such FANTASTIC Christian traits to have.
    posted by luin
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 3:26 am
  284. Sarah, per your response to Liz, I am confused about your beliefs. You say you are a Christian, although more "lax" in your views...what do you mean by that? Do you believe the Bible is God's Word? Do you think it doesn't really matter what we believe as long as we're sincere and do our best? (I am not trying to be accusatory, I just want to understand where you're coming from and not make false assumptions. Thanks.)

    Just wanted to comment to the many who are angry at Dannah's 'radical' or 'judgmental' post, please look at it this way... What we believe impacts how we try to influence the decisions of others. For example, if you had a car that was a lemon, and a friend was looking at buying the same model, you'd probably tell them how horrible yours was and warn them to buy something else. Also, the believed severity of the consequence affects how passionate one is to influence someone's choices. Dannah believes that reading this sort of book is sinful. Just as not all laws are equal, not all sins are equal. (Someone earlier said they are...this is not really true. Yes, all sin makes us sinners and will keep us out of heaven apart from God's grace, and all sin is serious, but different sins have different consequences.) Dannah and others are concerned that this book is porn, and porn can wreck families and addict. So really, it is out of love that she is warning her fellow believers to stay away from it. If you really believe she is mistaken, there is no reason to get upset, just 'thanks for your concern, but I have reached a different conclusion.'

    My grandfather died before I was born from lung cancer. I hate smoking! I believe that no one should smoke. I have never tried cigarettes, and I don't intend to (I don't need to try it to know it's bad). If someone was thinking about trying a cigarette, I would strongly warn against it...it's not good for you, you can get addicted, and it can kill you. Does it kill everyone who smokes? I guess not. But I think the world would be a better, healthier place if no one smoked. Does that make me judgmental?

    That is kind of how I feel about porn. It is against the word of God, it can addict, it causes a lot of broken lives/relationships, and the world would be a better place without it. (No, I'm not talking about book burning. :) )
    posted by MichelleL
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 4:50 am
  285. One last thought...to those making the comments that thanks to this blog you're going to read this book right away...listen to yourself. Why would you do that? Out of spite to hurt Dannah? (That would be silly.) To 'prove' that there is nothing wrong with it? Or just to make a statement that 'nobody can tell me what to do or not do'? At the least, it isn't really very mature. At the worst, it is foolish. Ezekiel 33:5 says "he heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life."
    posted by MichelleL
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 5:01 am
  286. Having an opinion about a book you haven't read is like reviewing a restaurant you've never eaten at.
    posted by Mandy
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:31 am
  287. @Michelle, I am lax meaning I don't go around preaching to others b/c I feel in my heart that is wrong. I am responsible for myself and my own actions...not that of another. As for the Bible, I feel it's had a lot of human influence. There are passages I like that bring great comfort and some I raise an eyebrow on. I have talked to my reverend on many occasions about questioning some things and he was the one who advised that humans are flawed and God expects questioning. He also told me to feel rest assured that God & Jesus still loved me in spite of that and their words were not meant to harm. Only to warn, comfort and hopefully move those toward the right direction - as in the guide although they realize there will still be many that will form their own opinions. He also said it is God & Jesus who look into your soul and see the truth of it. Not that of another. He had known many that claimed to be devout Christians to the point of no fault yet not with the most sincere intentions regarding others to which saddened him. He said he has also seen the Bible used as a weapon to which really saddened him. I think he is a wise man.

    If you feel this book will harm your marriage or porn will..stay away. Very simple. I don't feel that way and I'm not doing it to spite Dannah..please LOL! I am a very strong willed person in general and make up my mind without influence. To each their own.

    and PS..I think soda and chips are bad for you as well as many other foods. They cause heart attacks etc...however I don't run up to a person with a soda and express my passionate feelings LOL!
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:48 am
  288. I'm one who has dealt with gender confusion and life shattering effects of pornography, and I totally agree with Dannah's post here. Lest we forget, if we are called to walk in the holiness of God then Isaiah 5:20-21 applies. Call me judgmental if you want. God defines what true holiness is NOT man!
    posted by Daniel Farrow
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:52 am
  289. By the way, I object to the Hunger Games books as well for similar reasons.
    posted by Daniel Farrow
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:53 am
  290. @Michelle adding on to the above post....

    I also agree smoking is horrible for one's health and it baffles me as to why anyone does it. Can I make them stop? No. If they ask my opinion I'd gladly tell them but you'll hardly find me preaching to them.

    I also feel eating too much sugar can lead to diabetes and refrain from having soda, chips or anything bad in my diet. I'm huge into nutrition and If I'm not mistaken gluttony is one of the deadly sins listed. Again I pay attention to my lifestyle..I'm hardly going to walk up to a person with a soda and preach over the obesity epidemic being tied to gluttony - If a person seeks out my advice, I'll gladly tell them. Otherwise their life is their own and I do not feel that soda will earn them a one way ticket to eternal damnation. What a nutcase I would appear to be!

    As for Porn..my thoughts are that in the wrong hands it can be damaging. As can violent movies, many things. I have not seen it harm every person that has looked at it. It's their choice and I would hope they are wise enough in their own mind to feel confident in their choices and if it was a bad one? learn from it. Some things (like experiences) are meant to teach us as well. Even our bad choices have been used as tools to help us grow spiritually.

    I could rattle off so many things that are not healthy for humans and lead to other issues to which I could probably find a scripture to back it up...over shopping, hoarders, debt, despair, gluttony, sloth, vanity, etc but honestly...who is the gage for these things and where do you draw the line? I feel some make that decision based on if it's passionate to 'them' which is ....hypocrisy at it's finest.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 8:21 am
  291. @Michelle...one more thing...telling someone a car that you had that was a lemon is warning them through your experience - it's a fact the car you had was a bad investment for you.....telling them that porn will ruin their marriage is out of conjecture - you are basing that off of your 'beliefs'...yes there's a difference. Smoking is unhealthy and very much a scientific fact...feeling if no one did this and the world being healthier as a result is a fact too so no..not judgmental in 'thinking' this. Thinking less of a person for doing so is judgmental as well as when you base opinions off conjecture and attempt to propel that same mindset onto another. Anyway that's my opinion.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 8:32 am
  292. I couldn't agree more and have absolutely no interest in reading it. Books/movies like this lead to comparing what we have, to something that looks more exciting. (whether it is or not) It makes what we have seem like not enough. (Like what you said in #2 & #3)
    Thanks for taking the stand Dannah! I'm tweeting it.
    In Christ,
    Laura
    posted by Laura
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 8:42 am
  293. I agree with this. I am so tired of hearing about it! The idea that it's about BDSM and yet has become so popular, that women find that a turn-on ... your fourth point really resonates with me. What a twisting of what God intended sex to be; your theory about why makes sense.
    posted by Amy M
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:10 am
  294. Amia has a wonderful response a few posts up, if anyone cares to read it. She's right, it's not about judgement, it's about accountability. I honestly had no idea what this series was about and were it not for the warnings, I might have spent my money on these books based on how much my friends all love them. I'm personally thankful for posts like this because it prevented me from supporting the books through my purchase. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this series glamorizes codependency. Take away the filth and you are still left with a warped message...that YOU can save someone from their terrible past. Even though they treat you badly, manipulate, control, etc...if you try hard enough you can change them. That is sending a dangerous message.
    posted by Dianne
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 10:20 am
  295. Just this week I read a Newsweek article about this and other books on the same topic. It seems that there is a fantasy world for many women which includes what is termed "sexual submission." I was struck with the term as I see clearly that many of the women drawn to this are ones who have given up their God-given position of submission. When women give up their God-given roles, they will inadvertently seek out a way to fill the void that remains. God designed women to beautifully submit, and when they do not, the enemy has a delightful time in stirring up inappropriate submission.
    www.worldlanguageencounters.com
    posted by Cheryl Cross
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 10:28 am
  296. My husband bought these books for me and I'm on the 3rd one right now. I LOVE them. We've been married for 10 years and in no way have these books or any other books or movies affected our marriage in a bad way. We are very much in love and we only see each other and that's the way it will always be.

    I can understand your reasoning for not reading them and it's perfectly fine. It's your own opinion, I don't judge you or care that you won't read them and you shouldn't judge others for reading it and enjoying them. I'm not much of a church goer and can't quote this directly from the bible but I'm also pretty sure it's a sin to judge others. What other people do in their own time shouldn't concern anyone but themselves. If there really is a God, then they have to suffer the consequences of all the sinning they did...yes I included. I'm not going to live my life completely sheltered just because there's a hunch there is a God because if there isn't, I would waste the short life I had not having fun. If there is a God and all my sinning lands me in hell...then that is my own problem. Not anyone else.

    One last note. yes there is a lot of sex in this book but the plot of the book is very good. There is a reason why he likes BDSM and that's what the story is based on...not just sex. It's actually quite a sad story so I don't think people should post reviews on a book they've never even read.

    This is my opinion..please respect that just like I've respected yours
    posted by Rene
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 10:41 am
  297. I read this article yesterday, and havent been able to get it off my mind. Unlike the author of this blog, I read the 1st two books of this series, and couldnt get enough, and was very interested in the lifestyle that was portrayed. I'm happily married, and have a wonderful relationship with my husband. This book did nothing to encourage either one. It made me curious as to what I was "missing." I rededicated my life to Christ soon after, and there isnt a day that has gone by that I dont ask God to remove these images from my head. The language is vile, and their relationship is inappropriate. As a Christian, God has promised me that he is with me at every moment throughout my day. Therefore, there is NO way he would approve of me finishing this series, and I cant say how sorry I am for starting it. If you're debating doing so, please hear me when I say that this book will do nothing to spice up your marriage, or make your relationship with Jesus any stronger. It is harmful in EVERY way.
    posted by AC
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 10:58 am
  298. I read this article yesterday, and havent been able to get it off my mind. Unlike the author of this blog, I read the 1st two books of this series, and couldnt get enough, and was very interested in the lifestyle that was portrayed. I'm happily married, and have a wonderful relationship with my husband. This book did nothing to encourage either one. It made me curious as to what I was "missing." I rededicated my life to Christ soon after, and there isnt a day that has gone by that I dont ask God to remove these images from my head. The language is vile, and their relationship is inappropriate. As a Christian, God has promised me that he is with me at every moment throughout my day. Therefore, there is NO way he would approve of me finishing this series, and I cant say how sorry I am for starting it. If you're debating doing so, please hear me when I say that this book will do nothing to spice up your marriage, or make your relationship with Jesus any stronger. It is harmful in EVERY way.
    posted by AC
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 11:43 am
  299. So instead of saying nothing and taking a chance to expand your horizons (even if you don't end up liking the book), you waste 811 words talking about how proud you are in your ignorance? That seems like a pretty good summary to me.
    posted by Seth
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 11:56 am
  300. Wow. No one cares.
    posted by M
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  301. Thank you for putting into words for me to explain to people why I will not be reading this book.
    I've been trying to tell people why and I couldn't explain it to them so that they would understand.
    Now I can share your post and help them to see why.
    http://www.seekinghisgrace.com
    posted by Missy
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  302. I see women here with such passionate thoughts and opinions. That's fair. Everyone is entitled to that. What I do not believe is right is trying to push your beliefs or judgements on another person. YFaith explained what she thought about the book and several people have tried to tell her WHY she's wrong. She's free to have an opinion of her own. She's free to read any book she pleases. I absolutely don't agree with attacking someone's marriage and character any time, especially not over their literary preferences. If you don't want to read the book, nobody is asking you to. We are all entitled to opinions but to push your opinion fervently to change someone's mind or to prove why you're right and that the Lord would agree with you, seems hypocritical. I believe only the Lord has the right to pass judgement. Rather than placing judgement on those who choose to read this, or any other book you disapprove of, why don't you leave that to the Lord? In the end, His opinion is the only one that matters. There's no need to explain why someone is wrong or talk about why the Lord would agree with you and not others. It's not your judgement to pass. If you don't want to read it, don't. Those who have or would like to, should not be judged or have their marriage and morals questioned based on something they read.

    Please don't take what my thoughts as me saying that Dannah should not have posted this. She has the right to say anything she please, in public forum or not. I just disagree with those who are attacking others marriages or character and passing judgement specifically because they read a book. It's not your place to do so in the first place.
    posted by Krissy
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm
  303. I love how I never got a response to points posed by another above...I responded - I'll put them all together ::

    @Michelle, I am lax meaning I don't go around preaching to others b/c I feel in my heart that is wrong. I am responsible for myself and my own actions...not that of another. As for the Bible, I feel it's had a lot of human influence. Let's look at the Old Testament compared to the New. Do you honestly think this wasn't brushed up by the human hand as the Old Testament is pretty scary? Interesting read though :) - I feel we have the words of God mixed in with much human conjecture. JUST my opinion.

    Basically with the Bible there are passages I like that bring great comfort and some I raise an eyebrow on. I have talked to my reverend on many occasions about questioning some things and he was the one who advised that humans are flawed and God expects questioning. He also told me to feel rest assured that God & Jesus still loved me in spite of that and their words were not meant to harm. Only to warn, comfort and hopefully move those toward the right direction that need it - as in the guide although they realize there will still be many that will form their own opinions. He also said it is God & Jesus who look into your soul and see the truth of it. Not that of another. He had known many that claimed to be devout Christians to the point of no fault yet not with the most sincere intentions regarding others to which saddened him. He said he has also seen the Bible used as a weapon to which really saddened him. I think he is a wise man.

    If you feel this book will harm your marriage or porn will..stay away. Very simple. I don't feel that way and I'm not doing it to spite Dannah..please LOL! I am a very strong willed person in general and make up my mind without influence. To each their own.

    I also agree smoking is horrible for one's health and it baffles me as to why anyone does it. Can I make them stop? No. If they ask my opinion I'd gladly tell them but you'll hardly find me preaching to them.

    I also feel eating too much sugar can lead to diabetes and refrain from having soda, chips or anything bad in my diet. I'm huge into nutrition and If I'm not mistaken gluttony is one of the deadly sins listed. Again I pay attention to my lifestyle..I'm hardly going to walk up to a person with a soda and preach over the obesity epidemic being tied to gluttony - If a person seeks out my advice, I'll gladly tell them. Otherwise their life is their own and I do not feel that soda will earn them a one way ticket to eternal damnation. What a nutcase I would appear to be!

    As for Porn..my thoughts are that in the wrong hands it can be damaging. As can violent movies, many things. I have not seen it harm every person that has looked at it. It's their choice and I would hope they are wise enough in their own mind to feel confident in their choices and if it was a bad one? learn from it. Some things (like experiences) are meant to teach us as well. Even our bad choices have been used as tools to help us grow spiritually.

    I could rattle off so many things that are not healthy for humans and lead to other issues to which I could probably find a scripture to back it up...over shopping, hoarders, debt, despair, gluttony, sloth, vanity, etc but honestly...who is the gage for these things and where do you draw the line? I feel some make that decision based on if it's passionate to 'them' which is ....hypocrisy at it's finest.

    @Michelle...one more thing...telling someone a car that you had that was a lemon is warning them through your experience - it's a fact the car you had was a bad investment for you.....telling them that porn will ruin their marriage is out of conjecture - you are basing that off of your 'beliefs'...yes there's a difference. Smoking is unhealthy and very much a scientific fact...feeling if no one did this and the world being healthier as a result is a fact too so no..not judgmental in 'thinking' this. Thinking less of a person for doing so is judgmental as well as when you base opinions off conjecture and attempt to propel that same mindset onto another. Anyway that's my opinion.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm
  304. "Be willing to be taught". Auto correct is messing with me! Lol
    posted by Amia
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm
  305. As a husband (my wife posted this link on her facebook wall which sent me here) I am very thankful that she has chosen to not read it.

    Some of you have not called this book porn. I live in Dallas and on my drive home I pass an adult video store, on their marquee this week in big letters they have, "Copies of Fifty Shades of Grey Here". Amazingly, I saw it later that evening in the checkout line of my grocery store.

    I would be very, very hurt if my wife chose to read this book. As her husband, I would feel that I must not be doing something to satisfy her if she has to go somewhere else to be stimulated. We have a great marriage and a very enjoyable sex life.

    I am a recovering porn addict that devastated my life from my college years until and through my 20s. Thankfully, God delivered me from that. I can attest first hand to the damage caused by pornography...written and visual. It saddens me that so many women are reading these books because, eventually, they are going to want to read more books like this. And with the success of Fifty Shades, more books like this are sure to go mainstream.

    I certainly don't want my wife comparing me to anyone...alive or fiction. And I don't want her imagining anyone else, alive or fiction, when we are making love.

    As in all things in this life, we need to turn to God's Word. I think the Bible is very clear about pornography and lust. My pastor brought up the old WWJD the other day, but changed it just a bit to reflect what the bracelets should have said, "What Would Jesus Have Us Do?" I think that is more than applicable with erotic fiction.
    posted by Cory
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 1:58 pm
  306. Sex between a husband and wife is a wonderful thing. Who has any right to say what the definition of the act is. I believe if you and your spouse are inagreement with what is happening and no one else is brought in to the act than it is a wonderful thing. There are some women who need a little extra stimulation, because of a past experience. I am one of those women. I suffered abuse at the hands of my step father and have a condition where my own body will not produce what it needs to make sex able. My husband knows this and together we have made the choice to use aids and what we feel will not only help but increase our enjoyment. WE are christians and very active in our faith. I do not believe anyone has the right to tell me what is considered appropriate sex between us. Not to long ago many believed anything but the missionary position was considered unholy. I have to beleive that if it is between my husband and I than it is holy. WE have been married 16 yrs and neither of us want anyone else. Everytime I look at my husband he makes my heart leap and brings me joy. A book will never change how I feel about him or our time together in the bedroom. If you want to read it than go for it if not than don't condemm the ones who do. You are no better than they are and no one can pass judgement on another. Every sin outlined in the Bible is just as great as the other.
    posted by Lovesexwithmyhubby
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm
  307. I have heard of this book but, until I read your review, had no idea what it was about.
    First of all, thank you for that!
    Second, there is SO much temptation everywhere I don't think we need to add to it by introducing an outside element into our relationships.
    posted by Cindy Key
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 2:33 pm
  308. Thank you for your boldness here. I wholeheartedly agree with every single word you have written here! And I have a couple of Christian friends reading this series...I appreciate your warning to Christian women. I rarely read any non-Christian novel or book these days and even some Christian novels are too explicit, sad but true. Again, thank you!
    http://www.irishsteps.org/Irish_Steps/Blog/Blog.html
    posted by Tiffanie
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm
  309. Thank you for taking a stand for righteous living!!! I want to draw closer to the Lord and make Heaven my home. Participating in any activity that would keep me from enriching my walk with Him is indeed something I need to avoid. Thanks again! :)
    posted by Carrie
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm
  310. Trust me, I am not "missing" anything. I choose to live my life by what the Bible says, and I am not disappointed. You can do what you want, we can't stop you and don't have the right to stop you, but we don't have to do it too. We're allowed to choose for ourselves, just as all of you are allowed to choose for yourselves. There's no need to try to talk us into making the same decision. I am choosing not to read the books, as is the author here, that's our choice.
    Mt 5:28* But I say to you, That whoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
    1Jo 2:16* For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
    1Jo 2:17* And the world passeth away, and its lust: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
    http://www.irishsteps.org/Irish_Steps/Blog/Blog.html
    posted by Tiffanie
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm
  311. my only problem with this blog is she's writing about a book she didn't read... that bothers me... like i knew what this was about so i didn't read it but i just think it's kinda terrible for her to go all self righteous on a single book... i mean there are millions of erotic novels out there... what about them... and half the romance novels out there get a little naughty too... i mean why not right about the books in general instead of going after 1 novel... it just seems a little messed up
    posted by ray
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm
  312. oh and if this is all said in the bible can you give me some actual bible verses that tell me how i'm allowed to have sex cuz i need details here...
    posted by ray
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm
  313. After reading this I must say... I agree with your conclusion a hundred percent. BUT not with how you got there. I am actually writing this because I hate when Christians take thoughts that are popular in Christian circles and treat it as bible truth. This is one of those issues.

    As a Christian woman surely you have happened across the Song of Solomon at some point. ;P It is erotica 100% through and through.... I could quote here but Ill spare you the blushing :P How did that end up in the bible if its evil? I think the guy who slept with 1000 women knew how women get turned on :P I think we need to be wise and only condemn what the bible actually condemns.

    I don't like the books because they are poorly written, the characters are weak and it needs an edit badly same scenes are repeated over and over. The reason I bellieve this book is popular is because blackberry pushed it there are 50 plus mentions of the phone in one book alone. This is just a huge commercial directed women 20-40 that make a huge percent of household purchases.
    posted by The Skeptic
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm
  314. Lady you need to get off your high horse and chill the f*** out. Okay, well i would like to say to start with that God says that you should never judge others; and clearly you are judging the people who had planned or are planning to read the book. I myself have read all the books multiple times and love them. They are just books. Just stories and that doesn't mean that you have to live by them. Bless your heart, your soul and have a blessed rest of the day!
    posted by Carls
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm
  315. How predictable, a holy roller talking about why it's a "sin" to read a book that is not the bible! This is truly the most amusing thing I've read in quite some time.

    PRAISE JESUS!!!!
    HALLELUJAH!!!
    posted by Chris
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm
  316. Thank you for posting this. Maybe it will stop someone from unknowingly making the same mistake I did. I generally stick to "Christian" books - I know not all co-called Christian books are Biblical, but at least I don't feel like I need a scouring pad for my brain after reading them. I had NO idea what I was getting when I started reading this book - didn't even read the back. Almost everyone I knew (Christians, too!) was reading this book. I figured it was something along the lines of The Hunger Games. I had to put Fifty Shades in the recycling can. I couldn't even give it to the thrift store. I was disgusted - felt like I had unwittingly rented a porno movie. It certainly taught me to do my research a little better, and I hope your blog saves someone from making the same mistake I did! By the way, if anyone is thinking there must be a good storyline, well, I couldn't find it, but then I had to throw the book away by the time I got to Chapter 5. I've done a TON of reading in my lifetime (I'm majored in English literature in college), and I've never read anything so bad. If you've ever had the unfortunate experience of seeing a porn movie, well, this is the book equivalent - there was no story line, just lots of violent sex - worse than a porn movie really, at least the handful of porn movies I've seen. Don't read this just to satisfy your curiousity - it's pure junk.
    posted by Ann Lois
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 6:08 pm
  317. Any opinion about this book that is not backed by Scripture is irrelevant.

    It doesn't matter what you think or feel: "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"-Jer. 17:9

    It only matters what God thinks, and you have to read Scripture to figure that out. Shall we?

    "But among you there must not be even a HINT of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people...Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret."-Eph. 5:3, 11, 12

    "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."-Phil. 4:8

    "For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, NOT IN THE PASSION OF LUST like the Gentiles who do not know God... For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you." -I Thes. 4:3-5, 7-8

    "“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?... Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."-I Cor. 6:12-14, 17-20

    “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.”-Gal. 5:19, 21-23

    I could go on, but what’s the point? There is not a single way to defend that book if you read Scripture.

    And by the way, we are to “test everything; hold fast what is good”-I Thes. 5:21

    As far as all the typical “don’t judge, or you’ll be judged” arguments, you have to read the entire context of Scripture. It’s referring to being a hypocrite. A lot of people in Scripture judged, and rightly so. Jesus judged the religious the harshest. And Paul was pretty clear that we ARE to judge: “But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”-I Cor. 5:11-12

    “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”-Matt. 18:15-17

    And of course: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, REBUKING, CORRECTING and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”-2 Tim. 3:16-17

    All that being said, basing it entirely on Scripture alone, no one has any good reason to read that book.

    If you can show me that the book should be read based entirely on Scripture, not your personal opinion, I’d be very interested in your response.
    posted by Liz
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 6:10 pm
  318. I guess we are repeating messages...so I shall repeat my response - it's only fair :))

    Per Liz - 'Any opinion about this book that is not backed by Scripture is irrelevant' (lol..ok)

    *after the tons of scriptures she posted reminding anyone reading this book that they are sinners in a nutshell* (I think I read like 2 - yawn)

    Liz retorts 'All that being said, basing it entirely on Scripture alone, no one has any good reason to read that book'

    Oh Liz. Use Bible scriptures to tell others what they should or should not do much? Please use them for yourself and not as a catalyst to propel (or push) your viewpoints onto others.

    I say any opinion that thinks you are damned to hell because you read this book due to the fact it's *not*
    backed by scripture is also irrelevant as well as some other opinions I may have but I'll leave those out. They are not nice.

    Liz, has it occurred to you that there may be some who are actually not Christians or are from another faith or *gasp* could be agnostic to which none of the scriptures you spout off mean a thing to?

    Even as a Christian, I'm so much more lax than you in my viewpoints. I'm not as stringent and if that is wrong in your eyes..well....I just don't care. I won't lose sleep over how another perceives my life as Christian. That's between me & God.

    Thank you for the Bible lecture but none of that even matters to me at this point and I think it hardly matters to those who feel as I do. My belief is that God knows your heart. God & Jesus realize there is much to be desired with human nature and if anyone dared to try to live up to every expectation spouted by religious fanatics I fear they may go mad. I feel humans are the hypocrites...maybe God/Jesus would prefer we not read it..I don't know. But I do know there are plenty of books you could pose that question toward. It just makes me shake my head that some can be so overly self righteous when it comes to what 'others READ'....

    I'm reading it for personal pleasure..right or wrong. It's just a book really. It's not murder. It's not rape. It's not a crime of any sort nor will it make me go out and commit one and of COURSE I do not have a scripture to back it up. I never expected to nor do I care. I don't think one person who is reading it has thought there was a scripture defending it. In fact that thought is ludicrous. You'll have to settle for my very feeble (as you see it)....opinion. sorry.

    I will say all of this has made for a fun day at work for me as I am questioning what everyone is reading and have asked if they feel it's Bible worthy..and if not they need to put it down and run as if I were serious. The looks I got were hysterical!
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:12 pm
  319. ==
    So per Liz...all of you out there that are reading this book do not have any good reason and ANY of your opinions are completely irrelevant based on conjecture from her. ;)
    ==
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:14 pm
  320. umm Liz..how does this one pertain to the subject at hand -

    “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”-Matt. 18:15-17


    Liz, with this scripture are you saying that anyone reading this ....'book'.....has sinned against you? Why not just cut to the chase and go toward book burnings or stoning people?
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 7:43 pm
  321. Anyone ever watch the movie "The Book of Eli"? It is a great story *spoiler alert* about one man's quest/journey with protection under God to ensure the last Bible on Earth fell into the right hands while he bypassed many that wanted to get their hands on for their own self serving devious purposes; to lead groups of those who are easily led to live by their agenda & control vs freely. Those who use it to shame..those who use it do things they felt were right/wrong as many of the scriptures can be twisted to fit an argument easily. Be careful of those types. As I stated way above I was once told by a Reverend that only God & Jesus can look into your soul and see who you are.

    If you don't want to read the book then do not. I can't disagree with anyone's opinion on it as it's their own..but to shame or condemn others......that takes another type of person entirely which reminds me of that movie. A person I am proud that I am not.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm
  322. Whatever library that was that revealed the highly confidential information you obtained about your daughter's friend's mom broke the law. Under the Library Bill of Rights, user's inquiries are confidential for the sole purpose of preventing them from being scrutinized by people who take it upon themselves to judge the actions of others when the Bible specifically states that one should not. Shame on them and you for that breach. And, for not having read it, the erotic novel sure must have peaked your interest enough for you to look into it enough to use the words and concepts of the author to make your argument. I too am a Christian and my husband was grateful for the peak of interest that the novel renewed in our God fearing marriage. I am also grateful because it made me see him as the sexy man the he is when I had forgotten that married folk could still experience passion. And you know what? It was better at 40 than it was at 20 and exhaust of this book we do not have to pretend that we do not lust after others because God said it was a sin. We can now lust after one another, which if I remember correctly, is really the way God intended. Is it not?
    posted by Leah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 8:19 pm
  323. Take it for what it is, folks. A romance novel. Big deal. If the author of this article had bothered to read the 50 Shades SERIES (yes, it's a trilogy, books two and three do exist) like most credible authors of "literary articles" do she would know that the CHARACTER in the novel is a tormented soul. He was physically abused as a child and had a crack head for a mother whom he was left alone with after she was murdered for four days at the age of four. He is highly damaged. He develops his fascination with BDSM as an adult as a defense mechanism to avoid any respectful relationship as he feels himself unworthy of any real love or emotion. After he meets Ana, ALL THIS CHANGES, as he falls deeply in love with her and he experiences, for the first time, what love and dignity and respect and trust is all about. He eventually abandons his irrational sexual behaviors in exchange for a deep and loving connection. The two eventually marry. The BDSM IS ACTUALLY a rather small part of the series. But I suppose those with small minds just don't get it. If your going to ramble on about something that's only ONE-THIRD of the story, then the joke is on you. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. And if after reading the first book you don't care to continue, fine. But don't assume all the rest of us are jerks for appreciating a little fiction from time to time.
    posted by Over the negativity
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm
  324. Any opinion about this book that is not backed by Scripture is irrelevant.

    It doesn't matter what you think or feel: "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"-Jer. 17:9

    It only matters what God thinks, and you have to read Scripture to figure that out. Shall we?

    "But among you there must not be even a HINT of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people...Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret."-Eph. 5:3, 11, 12

    "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."-Phil. 4:8

    "For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, NOT IN THE PASSION OF LUST like the Gentiles who do not know God... For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you." -I Thes. 4:3-5, 7-8

    "“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?... Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."-I Cor. 6:12-14, 17-20

    “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.”-Gal. 5:19, 21-23

    I could go on, but what’s the point? There is not a single way to defend that book if you read Scripture.

    And by the way, we are to “test everything; hold fast what is good”-I Thes. 5:21

    As far as all the typical “don’t judge, or you’ll be judged” arguments, you have to read the entire context of Scripture. It’s referring to being a hypocrite. A lot of people in Scripture judged, and rightly so. Jesus judged the religious the harshest. And Paul was pretty clear that we ARE to judge: “But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”-I Cor. 5:11-12

    “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”-Matt. 18:15-17

    And of course: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, REBUKING, CORRECTING and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”-2 Tim. 3:16-17

    All that being said, basing it entirely on Scripture alone, no one has any good reason to read that book.

    If you can show me that the book should be read based entirely on Scripture, not your personal opinion, I’d be very interested in your response.
    posted by Liz
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm
  325. Great post! I heard from a friend what you described the book series to be about but those condemning others would not know b/c they would rather condemn other people for their literary choices. When you know better, you do better...It's on my list to read

    I can understand if some of it is too harsh for some people..fine. I get that but don't act like you are on some self righteous journey or mission out to save others when you haven't even heard of what it's about it it's entirety. The bashing of others is what greatly disturbs me. It's so wrong on so many levels.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:56 pm
  326. Great post to 'over the negativity'....not to be confused with Liz
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:57 pm
  327. Liz why do you not address the posts in response to you? Why do you keep posting the same one over and over with the same scriptures? Weird.
    posted by Sarah
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm
  328. If you havent read the books how can you honestly comment about them? The books do have a lot of sex scenes, I will agree with that. But it is a great love story and they are in a serious relationship with each other.
    There are a lot of things in his past that form his way of thinking and makes him the way he is.
    If you want to judge people, which I think there's something in the Bible about that too, without reading the books then keep it to yourself.
    posted by Mary
    on Friday, June 1, 2012 at 10:35 pm
  329. I am defining any material that might lead someone to masturbate while reading/looking at it as pornography. One of my girlfriends said, "There is an orgasm on every other page." This is clearly meant to stimulate, arouse and turn on it's readers. Erotica by any other name is still, PORN.
    posted by LaJauna Serving U
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 12:41 am
  330. If Jesus wouldn't download it to His Kindle I don't want it on mine.

    Thanks for affirming what I'd already picked up on by reading the "back cover".

    WWJD is still the first question that should be asked.
    posted by Sara
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 3:41 am
  331. Writing this blog just gives this book so much attention & now people will want to know what it's all about..

    isn't that like 'advertising' this book??

    God gave us free will...to make our own decisions...for ME, this warning has to be 'examined'..we can't live by 'others' say so, on what to read, because we are responsible for our own actions..

    After reading the comments here, I have to read it now, to be able to make a intelligent opinion!

    I didn't know very much about this book..I guess I will now..Thanks to your blog.
    posted by boomerkid
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 8:02 am
  332. @Mims

    I've been living like Ilsa for the past 5 years--not totally by choice. I was a grad student and working full time and decided to move out of student housing. My new apartment did not include free cable. I decided not to pay for it since I was in class when all the good stuff came on and anything I wanted to watch I could find online or on DVD. Whenever i'm craving background noise, I just put on a movie or TV show I've seen many many times and don't really have to pay attention to.

    Most new TVs can be connected to computers. And all the major sports leagues have websites that allow you to pay to watch games. You and your family should be fine without cable or satellite service.
    posted by JonB
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 10:21 am
  333. Are ya all forgetting :P that the judemental folks of the day called Jesus a drunkard and a glutton and a friend of sinners? I did justify the book scripturally LIZ by comparing it to the song of Solomon which is erotica. Solomon also said don't be too holy, why destroy yourself? A person who fears God will avoid all extremes. Ecclesiastes 7:18 I am not knocking your beliefs just saying not everyone interprets scripture like you. LIZ to the scriptures you used were taken out of context. Its not lust if you are married :)
    posted by The Skeptic
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 10:45 am
  334. @The Skeptic..of course anyone condemning those that read it have conveniently forgotten that Jesus forgave a prostitute very graciously and so forth. Many of the highly judgmental types did not approve of his company at times. I highly doubt every person claiming you should ask "what would Jesus do" applies this very question to ALL faucets of their life such as gluttony, sloth and the other so called deadly sins as well as realizing what is considered 'sin' is sometimes subjective. Oh no...not at all as that would require 'thinking' before you speak - they would rather judge b/c they find power (false power of course) in waving the finger at others in hypocrisy. I'm sure if I could peer into their lives, I could do much of the same (point to what 'I' consider a sin) but I wouldn't even want to. I would never condemn another over their literary choice whatever it may be. There are many interpretations to many scriptures. Very good points but they will fall on deaf ears when it comes to fanatics sadly.
    posted by Sarah
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 11:22 am
  335. I wrote this a while back...

    I got a little bit of criticism for it. Today, your article was a nice reminder that I am not alone. Blessings...

    http://adventuresintheordinary.com/2012/04/sex-sells-but-sale/
    http://adventuresintheordinary.com/
    posted by Jacquelyn Sill
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
  336. Key difference for those of you that don't know or don't understand. Christians are called to keep other Christians accountable. That is what the majority of Christian responses to this blog are, as well as the intent of the blog author.

    Christians are not judging non-Christians choosing to read this book. It is God's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to convict and my job, like Jesus', to love. Judging non-Christians by their actions is not loving. Keeping fellow Christians accountable of their actions is loving and living in community as the church was designed.
    posted by Cory
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 11:34 am
  337. @Cory..although I still find it subjective as to what is accountable or not b/c I feel these opinions are based somewhat out of conjecture, (I did mention gluttony, sloth etc & who am I to scale on what action makes it a sin vs living) - I can live with that response better than the others. At least it doesn't sound condemning or anything. When something is worded without sounding like you are insulting someone for their choice out of what you perceive to be wrong, it comes across better whether I would agree or not.
    posted by Sarah
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm
  338. @Liz,
    The scripture you posted is right on! Thanks! I'd encourage anyone and everyone to read them. They may open peoples eyes to wisdom. But for those who are willfully blind and ignorant we cannot do anything for them except keep posting the same scriptures in hopes that they will stop *yawning* and arguing the same *how dare you judge me* line and begin to see TRUTH. We could also rest in our silence from now on and stop answering the fools according to their folly.
    posted by Jenna
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm
  339. Well said, Cory! THAT is exactly right! Biblical Christians do not say the things they say to condemn non Christians. They say what they say to encourage, exhort and edify other Christians. And that is a scripturally commanded thing to do. The whole "judge not" argument is something that is misapplied way to often in matters like this. For those of you who want to read the book, who reject biblical Christianity, we are not making judgement against you. You do as you will. For those of you who want to know Christ better...this book and those like it will not help you do that.
    posted by Charity
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 1:05 pm
  340. I second Cory's statement. We aren't here to condemn anyone. Nor do I believe the author of this blog wants to condemn anyone. I am thankful she wrote the blog and expressed her opinion. Those who don't know where she's coming from may not listen well enough to find out. People like that will most often take offense first rather that exercise the ability to gleen what is good and let the bad flow like water off a ducks back. They'd rather villanize her because they are offended. The growing trend these days is to bully Christians into being silent. They preach tolerance for everyone else except Christians. Everyone else can promote, condone and push push push their views but if a Christian says anything they all pounce on him/her and villanize the person.
    posted by Mari
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm
  341. Christians don't need to be condemning. Those who reject God already stand condemned. In light of that we as Christians don't feel the need to even enter the arena of arguing w/nonchristians because they are spiritually blind. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do as God commands us. We are to be salt and light. We are to hold out Truth to each other. We are always to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within us. We don't condemn anyone. But we may condemn opinions, behavior, choices etc. that fly in the face of biblical Christianity. Christians have EVERY RESPONSIBILTY to hold each other accountable and to always be ready to speak the truth about any situation. They are to know the truth first. That means they are to study God's word and hide it in their hearts so that they are able to know right from wrong. When a Christian speaks about something being wrong it isn't to be personally condemning of anyone...especially nonchristians. But the world would like to silence us. They would like us to feel like we are "haters" because we dare to follow God's will. Not surprised. Not one little bit. I'm also not intimidated. All of you who don't know our God have a pass with us. We aren't talking to you when we are encouraging each other about what is good or not good. It isn't your place to condemn us for our beliefs. You do so and then make us out to be the ones who are judgemental. Really it's YOU! All of you who are being condemning of the author of this article are truly the ones who are being judgemental. You have no authority over us. We do not seek to hold any authority or influence over you. This article is good. It is ment to be an encouragement for other Christians to consider and gleen wisdom. Those of you naysayers should maybe practice what you preach and stop judging/condemning Christians simply because they don't share your views.
    posted by Kevin
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm
  342. Thank you for posting this. Maybe it will stop someone from unknowingly making the same mistake I did. I generally stick to "Christian" books - I know not all co-called Christian books are Biblical, but at least I don't feel like I need a scouring pad for my brain after reading them. I had NO idea what I was getting when I started reading this book - didn't even read the back. Almost everyone I knew (Christians, too!) was reading this book. I figured it was something along the lines of The Hunger Games. I had to put Fifty Shades in the recycling can. I couldn't even give it to the thrift store. I was disgusted - felt like I had unwittingly rented a porno movie. It certainly taught me to do my research a little better, and I hope your blog saves someone from making the same mistake I did! By the way, if anyone is thinking there must be a good storyline, well, I couldn't find it, but then I had to throw the book away by the time I got to Chapter 5. I've done a TON of reading in my lifetime (I'm majored in English literature in college), and I've never read anything so bad. If you've ever had the unfortunate experience of seeing a porn movie, well, this is the book equivalent - there was no story line, just lots of violent sex - worse than a porn movie really, at least the handful of porn movies I've seen. Don't read this just to satisfy your curiousity - it's pure junk.
    posted by Ann Lois
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm
  343. Protecting our marriages from outside temptations is certainly a priority to be vigilant about. As I began to read this book, as a Christian woman, I must admit, I wondered about the morality of it. However, those of you who have not read it, are making judgements on hearsay, rumor and stereotypes. In essence the book is about a monogamous, loving, consensual relationship. However, I too pondered the detailed description about sex. Was that wrong?

    A few comments on here state that any description of sex that creates a visual in our mind is sinful. How, then, do we explain the Song of Songs? It is very descriptive and definitely creates a visual image in our minds.

    I'm certainly not comparing this book to a book in the Bible, but the fact that Song of Songs is in the Bible should tell us something about sex. It is God given, and it was meant to be pleasurable. It was meant to create a unique bond between a man and a woman. It is also, apparently, okay to read about it, because you can do that in your Bible.

    For some, reading this book could spark interesting conversation between man and wife and renew interest in intimacy. If one allows the book to be a portal for any sexual experience outside of the marriage, then THAT is the sin, not the words written on the page of a book, any more than a piece of cake makes me a glutton. If I eat 10 pieces of cake, THAT's the problem, not the flour and sugar.

    I will end with a specific response to the bloggers points:
    #1. Anything sparking this much discourse definitely has "literary and artistic value".
    #2. If you agree with this point, you must agree that one piece of cake will lead to gluttony and one glass of wine to alcoholism.
    #3. This is a good point. We must watch the temptation to place unrealistic expectations on our spouse.
    #4. The characters are all about "love and self-giving". If you read the book, you would know that.

    If God has placed on your heart to not read this book, than you are wise to recognize that and abstain. However, it is somewhat arrogant to assume what God has placed on other people's hearts, as to what they read and for what purpose.
    posted by Tracie Carrico
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm
  344. A friend of mine posted this on her fb wall today. Was very glad to come across it. My husband posted on a similar topic today at our blog and cited similar stats. It's called "porn, prayer, and video games" and can be found here: http://www.stonewritten.com/?p=4251

    I am glad to find your blog and look forward to sharing!
    Www.stonewritten.com
    posted by Emil Stone
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm
  345. Opinions are all well & good IF you know what you're talking about. Clearly when it comes to this book you do not. You haven't read the book so how do you have an opinion of it?? Your opinion is based what...what you've heard OTHERS say about?? Had you actually taken the time to read the BOOKS (there are actually 3 in the series, not just Fifty Shades of Grey) then you would know that the trilogy was not all about sex, BDSM, or the garbage that you say it is, it's about a relationship between 2 consenting adults who find love & happiness and have to face many difficulties in their relationship. (yes they had premarital sex & yes that goes against the Bible but she wasn't a whore who screwed around & they end up married in book 2 *Fifty Shades Darker*.) You need to get off your high horse & stop looking down your nose at others. Until you actually read the books do us all a favour & keep your erroneous ideas of the book to yourself. Because quite frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.
    If you don't want to read the book then don't but how dare you pass judgment on those who have. Yes I have read all the books (I'm not ashamed to admit I know what the books were called before they were Fifty Shades of anything. I read them when it was nothing more than online story being posted one chapter at a time...did you know that????? Look it up. The original story was called Master of the Universe & EL James went by SQ IceDragon. The original story was a Twilight fanfiction.) Just because I read the books doesn't mean I became some degenerate crack addicted whore. Nor did I run out & cheat on my husband of 13 years. It did seem to spice up our sex life though & no it hasn't made our sex life suffer in the months since I read it. I don't have some uncontrollable urge to screw anything & everything with a pulse & a penis. I have this amazing thing called SELF CONTROL & I have NO desire to have sex with anyone other than my husband. Once again, next time you decide to bash a book, please read the book you are about to bash or keep your opinions to yourself.

    I won't be shocked if this doesn't make it to the comments but I have the right to my opinion just the same as you have your right to your opinion. The difference between my opinion & your opinion is this: I have actually read the books & I actually know what I'm talking about while you simply are basing your opinion on what you've HEARD or read ABOUT the books not what what you KNOW about the books.
    posted by MellyBells
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm
  346. Whoever it was who was trying to argue that the Biblical "Song of Songs" isn't erotic and isn't about a sexual encounter...

    That simply isn't true. It's *all* about a sexual encounter (or even more than one), but it uses poetic phrases and metaphors to describe that encounter, and we don't understand a lot of them the way they would have been understood when the book was written. Furthermore, given the cultural "norm" at the time, the "Beloved" in the story would have been between the ages of 9 and 15...and the "Lover" would have been older. And it was probably an arranged marriage. Furthermore, she would have been expected to be completely submissive to him, in absolutely every way: women were property (so women being seen as "tools or toys" is hardly a *new* phenomenon). And it would have been perfectly acceptable--even encouraged--for him to have several wives, but she was expected to be sexually faithful to him and him alone. If the book was written by Solomon as it is often credited, he *did* have multiple wives as well as a harem of concubines.


    An example, quoted from my Bible and then explained:
    (Song of Songs, chapter 7)
    (The Lover)
    How beautiful are your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lillies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbim. Your nose is like the tower of Lebannon looking toward Damascus. Your head crowns you like Mount Carmel. Your hair is like royal tapestry; the king is held captive by its tresses. How beautiful you are and how pleasing, O love, with your delights! Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said "I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit." May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.

    (The Beloved Responds)
    May the wine go straight to my lover, flowing gently over lips and teeth. I belong to my lover, and his desire is for me. Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom--there I will give you my love. The mandrakes send out the fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old, that I have stored up for you, my lover.



    He is describing every aspect of her body/physical beauty, and saying he wants to "climb" her to touch her breasts and kiss her, hoping her mouth will affect him in a way that is intoxicating like fine wine! And she is responding by saying she wants to go out to the country to see if the pomegranates (considered to be an aphrodisiac) and mandrakes (also an aphrodisiac) have bloomed yet, she wants to make him intoxicated with desire for her, and she will have sex with him and implies that she will do it however he wants.


    The entire book is like that, them trading compliments of each other's physical beauty and expressing their desire for a physical relationship..and chapter 8 uses metaphor to say that they had sex out in "the desert" ("his left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me" and "under the apple tree I roused you"). Actually, some of the earlier chapters, before chapter 7 that I quoted, have much more graphic descriptions of a variety of sexual activity/encounters, if you understand what the metaphors are and the poetic devices that are being used. What makes it *not* a work of erotica? The fact it uses metaphors we don't have an instant cultural understanding of? The fact it's included in the Bible? It is most assuredly a book about physical attraction and physical sexual gratification...and there is only the barest implication that they are married before they have sex. And yet, it's the standard that has been offered to me of what a "Biblical" sexual/marriage relationship should look like...I have to admit, I find that somewhat hypocritical on the part of the "Christians" who are saying things like "I'm not reading "50 Shades of Grey" because it's nothing more than dirty smut since it includes graphic descriptions of sex, promiscuity, and dominate/submissive relationship dynamics!!...now, where did I put my Bible that has "Song of Songs" marked with a sticky note?"

    I wasn't going to read "50 Shades of Grey" because I don't get in to the "hot new bestseller!!!" hype...I typically find them to be poorly written rehashes of familiar plots and archetypes. (I haven't read "Hunger Games" for this exact reason.) Now? I may very well download "50 Shades" to my Kindle, just to see if it's yet another case of people only seeing the parts of something that they understand (albeit poorly and through a rather narrow lens) and issuing over-reactive statements about their own weaknesses.
    posted by Renee
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm
  347. I agree with what yfaith has posted. This is a GREAT trilogy and I highly recommend it.
    posted by Lou
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
  348. @Jenna..

    I know your post was aimed at me and that's well and good - I'm above insults however. I don't need to stoop to that to make my points. I have a right to express my opinion and the fact that it's 'relevant' even if I don't have a scripture to back it up. To further suggest that I or others are willfully blind and ignorant as well as not seeing the 'TRUTH' is in the same manner that Liz posts. Below the belt and condemning people based on conjecture via your subjective opinions. Very classy. As I have stated before we could around all day about what is right/wrong. But at the end of the day isn't a bit ridiculous and childish to hurl insults at someone for an opinion that does not match yours? The reason I said *yawning* in response to what Liz posted is because she posted that same one 3 times with the same scripture(s). Her tactic (or yours for that matter) is not very becoming of a self proclaimed Christian.

    What are you thoughts on gluttony? It's a sin and anyone who drinks soda or eats anything knowingly bad (sweets etc) is partaking in this sin. A bit harsh of a comparison maybe? It falls in line with the same extreme comparisons some others have posted. If you notice there are many Christians disagreeing with your opinion and not happy about feeling condemned by another human being for something so frivolous in nature. Their literary choices...But if that sort of thing makes you happy...*shrug* ..not much I can do about someone who 'willfully' does that. Peace :))
    posted by Sarah
    on Saturday, June 2, 2012 at 9:21 pm
  349. @Sarah, you ask me for my thoughts but it is very clear from the totality of your posts that you aren't interested in my opinion or anyone else's who is in opposition to your view. Judging ( oh, my goodness! I'm judging!) by your many many many posts it's clear you think quite highly of your own opinion. You think I believe for one minute that you don't need to "stoop" to insults? Your many many many posts are littered with your passive agressive insults! You're *yawning* for example is just a snotty way of being dismissive and unhearing. Again, I call it willful. If you were truly interested in hearing the author's opinion or any one else who agrees with the author it would have been evident in your many words. But clearly you are simply displaying over and over again that you only want to justify and be justified in your permissive choices and "christian" perspective. Notice the lowercase "c". I'll leave you to those choices and your many thoughts about yourself and your feelings. But I will never agree with your stance or push to shut believers up about their faith or their convictions. I'll keep singing the song of the redeemed for as long as I live. Guess what! That song includes good news AND bad. Sin is sin. There is NOTHING wrong with speaking the truth about what God has said. If something causes a brother to stumble it is wrong to put it before him. By the testimony just on this blog, it is clear that this book is a stumbling block for many. So if the author of this blog or any other Christian in all of America (cause guess what, we're free to do that in the United States) wants to speak out against reading it, purchasing it,or condoning it they have the right and God's approval to do it. They don't need your approval. And your condemnation is just as worthless as the conjured up "condemnation" you imagine there to be in the posts of all those who have made a stand for a more holy Way than you are choosing.
    posted by Jenna
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 12:30 am
  350. Oh yeah, just one more thing. You claim that you don't go around preaching but you've preached and preached at us throughout this whole blog! Get over yourself already!
    posted by Jenna
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 12:40 am
  351. @Jenna

    I think you may have missed the mark here. Greatly. I was asking for your thoughts on my comparisons on things such as gluttony, sloth etc...I was curious to see if you used scripture to back up other things people do in life besides reading literature..do you acknowledge these things are bad for us? Have you ever done anything that could be scrutinized or compared to those things? Do you consider the comparisons far fetched or an amplification of sorts? Some of us on here may consider your comparisons to be of exaggeration ourselves.

    I have made up my opinion on *this* subject and I won't waver and yes, I'm quite confident in my stance. So what if I do have many posts? Is there a scripture waving a finger at that as well? With the 'totality' of my posts as you say it, I have brought up many other points to which were never addressed and seemingly discarded. I guess it's ok to insinuate I am a particular type of person based off your opinions?

    My passive aggressive insults? Really? Interesting. At least I never said anyone's opinion was irrelevant based off my beliefs or referred to others that don't agree with me as "willfully blind and ignorant as well as not seeing the 'TRUTH' " - You won't find me engaging with direct insults and I won't take the bait either. I consider myself above that and able to make points without having to entertain another person's ill mannered form.

    I am merely defending my opinion..Your opinion directly insults people that are opposed to yours. There's a difference here...any seemingly snarky remarks on my part are in defense of standing my ground. I never directly insulted anyone for their views. In fact, in one post there was a person that suggested that they were confused as to if they should read it or not and had claimed to have had past issues with books affecting their psyche...my suggestion? First it was to not depend on the internet for such advice but based off of what she said, I told her my opinion would be no and why risk that since she also stated to have mental health issues. If I were so fixed in promoting this book, why would I say that? I am against making others feel shamed in their literary choices based of religious beliefs. But I felt in her case, based off of what she revealed, it would not be a good idea.

    For the most part I have been defending against those that insulted me & others over our views. Big difference there
    Jenna..big one. I am fine with the authors viewpoint if it didn't 'suggest' others that contravene with hers were blatantly partaking in a sinful act. In addition, she never read the series to be able to condemn it so harshly. If the sexual scenes seem too disturbing, I can understand a person refraining from reading it. I would even suggest that they do so. This blog is based on an individual's feelings to the subject matter that they are aware of. Other posts (like Liz's) outright condemn/belittle others for reading it because there is not a scripture to support it. According to her all opinions are entirely extraneous or just not pertinent. That behavior alone is deplorable and I'm far from preaching by opening expressing my views on such statements.

    LOL .."notice the lower case 'c' for Christian you say?"....Nice. and it is 'me' you claim that litters with passive aggressive insults?...to this I say touché..(mockingly as that is absurd) - your insults are both direct and passive aggressive. They
    far trump any of mine in one message alone. I will not engage you back in that though NOR will I respond to the
    the completely ludicrous lower case 'c' insult. Again...classy.

    I never ever once indicated I was trying to 'shut up' believers. Where do I say or suggest this in my *very* many postings? I never said anyone needed my approval either. Let's not put words in my mouth ok? This is where things get twisted.

    Again...I am defending the stance that those of us that disagree have a right to do so without being insulted or condemned or deprecated by faceless people on the internet as being less than Christian or 'sinners'. That's it. It's rather simple. I think if a person feels strongly that this book is against their values they should *not* read it. But when they start stating that the opinions of others are irrelevant and suggest that they are less than a proper Christian? That's crossing the line. You have my stance completely distorted.

    As for the book..oh yes the book....that is what this was about after all? Not my person faith or relationship with God was it? Or that I'm a lower case 'c' Christian? lol....I could never say if the book was/is/or will be a stumbling block for 'all' or not...that is so subjective and quite a presumptuous statement. I can say it probably is for some and to speak of the subject matter it contains is not at all wrong. From there people can make the choice for themselves. It's obviously offensive to the person who wrote this blog; (any subject matter on BDSM regardless of the story) I respect their decline on reading this as well as mentioning it does contain BDSM for others to know about. However as many others in the postings have have stated, it's a story (though graphic) about a person that was sexually abused coming to terms with learning how to enter into a loving relationship. The testimony on this blog is from a person who has not read the books based upon the graphic scenes alone...not because they read it. If this person were on a witness stand...that testimony would be less than credible.

    But I digress...she has the right to feel as she does. Should she or others condemn people for making the opposite choice? Absolutely not. THAT is wrong no matter how you phrase it or try to present it.

    And in the end you tell me I've conjured up condemnation claims? Have I? Why don't you review the direct insults listed
    in some of the other postings as well as what you very openly posted You have proven my own points very nicely - and naturally you find it pleasurable for one last "get over yourself"....Oh so becoming of a...christian?.....lower case 'c' you said it was? I'll allow you ponder about that one as you had so graciously retorted that to me. You are not without flaws Jenna. Try to remember that. I do know that about myself so you can save yourself the jab back. :) - Again Peace and light!
    posted by Sarah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 2:24 am
  352. The psalmist said, "I will set no wicked thing before my eyes." Psalm 101:3
    Paul said, "For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret." Eph. 5:12
    Jude 1:4 " Ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
    God's grace does not grant anyone a license to do or view immoral, ungodly or wicked things. Christians are command to be holy as God is holy. Those who are not Christians can not be holy even if they tried because first they must become a new creation. So the call to holiness among brothers and sisters in the Lord is never expected to be adhered to by nonChristians. Those of you who don't believe in Christ can feel free to carry on without our human condemnation...you stand condemned already by God not us. But for those who believe and call Jesus Lord you are to be holy...that means you are to set aside everything that is wicked, everything that is ungodly, everything that will cause your brother to stumble etc... It is not wrong for believers to encourage each other to do this. It is not wrong to say this book is not fit for Christian eyes and ears to view. If you want to be rebellious and do it anyway be sure of this you will reap what you sow. You probably already have. A seared conscience and a hardened heart or images you may wish you could erase from your mind...the list can go on and on. OR you could summit yourself to humility and the faith of a mature brother or sister in the Lord and say, "I'll heed the warning I've been given" and be blessed by their mature faith/wisdom.
    posted by hannah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 2:39 am
  353. Well said, Hannah. @ Sarah, you are clearly not someone who seeks to be wise. Instead you puff yourself up with your words...words...words...words. " The more the words the less the meaning and how can that profit anyone?" Your words do not profit anyone. And so I will now act on scripture and will no longer answer the fool according to her folly. You are a fool. Is that blunt enough for you? Or should I capitalize that? I leave her to the rest of you who may be able to reason with her. Just know she likes to be petted and have her ego stroked. She needs to feel validated and affirmed that she's not a sinner....but she is just like the rest of us. You may need to coddle her a bit and woo her before she considers your words without malice. Yes, malice. Be prepared. She's a fisty one.
    posted by Jenna
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 2:55 am
  354. What a conversation! I was asking about this book and was directed to this site. I skimmed over many of the comments. The question, "How can you judge this book if you haven't read it?" Struck me.

    How many of us read reviews of movies before we go to them or take our children to them? I tend to check plugged-in online before going to see a popular movie. Just because it is making money at the box office doesn't mean it is any good or that I want to spend my money on it.

    Same with books. For the pop fiction, I read reviews. Good and bad. Often there are enough details of the plot that I can make an educated decision about if this is a good choice for me. (and after reading the yeas and nays here ... it is not a good choice for me - would be a trigger for past abuses)

    I also believe in garbage in - garbage out. [the term 'mommy porn' nauseated me]

    This is a Christian blog. The author's viewpoint should not be a surprise to anyone. The choices made need to fit inline with your worldview, morals, ethics, principles and beliefs.

    Mine just happen to come from a Christian Worldview.

    Thank you for writing this post and allowing many different views to be shared.
    Peace of Christ to you.
    www.chrisfrenchkramer.com
    posted by Chris K
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 3:36 am
  355. According to one online dictionary, this genre of literature is defined as that which has “no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire.” That online dictionary is wrong. There is literary value in all genres, including erotic romance. You can’t judge the artistic merit of a genre without having read some examples of the genre.

    "There is only one who should stimulate sexual desire in me: my husband. Since that’s God’s plan for my sexual desire, anything other than my husband creating arousal in me would be missing the mark of God’s intention. (Translation: It is sin.)"

    No, it isn't sin - it's impossible. You’re attracted to men other than your husband; you can’t help it. If that’s sin, why did God in Her infinite wisdom design your physiology to react the way it does to one of Her most beautiful creatures, the adult human male? To have sexual fantasies is to be human. I don’t read ‘Self’ or ‘The New Yorker,’ but I have studied psychology. Fantasy is a normal human sexual expression, and no, the vast majority of women who read erotica aren’t going to turn in sex addicts.

    God created you to be a sexual being. Accept it. Embrace it. Don’t turn it into a sin. Don’t pathologize your body’s natural functions.

    And don’t tell other people what should and shouldn’t arouse them. The thing about BDSM is, it’s consensual. It’s about two people determining the boundaries of their own relationship. No one else should get a say. Yes, there are women who want to participate in this, willingly. I don’t see why any outside person should judge what individuals do inside their own relationships.

    You could read this book out loud to Jesus. He’d understand. He was crucified – what’s more sadistic than that?
    http://www.erinoriordan.blogspot.com
    posted by Erin O'Riordan
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 8:18 am
  356. @Jenna..I definitely expected the name calling to the last response b/c mine was very mature with valid points and I've kept it that way - your pattern has not been the same....That's fine though. I won't engage with you further because I have my thoughts on how you are choosing to express yourself but it will serve no good purpose to express that nor to partake in the same behavior. I know who am I am..Only God & Jesus can look into my soul and know who I am. I rest confident with that as it's all I need to know. And that was per my Reverend at one time who was/is far less judgmental than you have been. I can't even picture him saying the things that you have. What does that say? My words are defending my 'stance'..and you basically had no response to the rest of what I said except to insult and state you won't answer the 'fool accordng to her frolly' and stating to me 'you are the fool' is that blunt enough? Don't worry, I caught all of the undertones as well but yes pretty blunt ...Naturally I don't agree of course *wink* - I have found this sort of response as typical when a person (me in this case) has a valid point on a subject. The other recoils and hisses instead of managing one in return with out negative words and name calling. Interesting that you resort to such tactics yet claim to be so holy? It would seem counterintuitive if I were speaking to anyone else. You just make me look better all the time by speaking as you do. And to further say I like to be petted and my ego stroked? I guess I prefer responses with out name calling so you just jump to the extreme of saying that? lol! ummm ok? Jenna you know nothing about me and honestly I know nothing of you. (very glad as rudeness is a part of your approach & overall demeanor - it's very repelling)

    WOW it's just a book! LOL
    posted by Sarah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 11:07 am
  357. I saw this blog on a friends site. but you know I read through these posts and some are scary. I did read this debate with Jenna and Sarah So I scrolled up to read it all. I am rather shocked. Although I do see sarcasm in Sarahs, I see downright name calling to the point of nasty in Jennas. that is mean! If i had to choose a church to go to, I pick Sarahs hands down!!!!! I am reserving the right to say do as you wish in this case and hopefully no one will call me names for that.
    posted by Tiffany
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 11:30 am
  358. @sarah, you'd like to depict yourself as being someone who can give your opinion without being aggressive as Jenna has been but in your very first post you said "I most certainly would never listen to some RELIGIOUS FANATIC trying to tell me what is appropriate or not.". You also revealed your own holier-than-thou belief about yourself when in the same first post you said,"I am a MORE fORGIVING/UNDERSTANDING Christian". Then you go on to call names again in your second post by saying, " This just solidifies why I steer clear of RELIGIOUS FANTICS" . You have not demonstrated in your posts the kind of maturity you seem to think you are. You have been casting stones of judgement in your posts, which as Jenna has said are high in number. And the majority of them show hostility and intolerance for those who do not shre your view. I suggest you own up to it and appologize for your behavior before you go reprimanding Jenna for hers as the nasty tone began with you.
    posted by Kevin
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 1:09 pm
  359. @Kevin..point taken. I did do that....I did it in defense of feeling condemned for my opinions *but* I'm going to say that I allowed my anger to get to me in a negative way. I don't feel I've name called a fraction as much as Jenna or I could say some things much worse but I have realized there is not a point in doing something like that. Just by reading hers, it was a wake up call as to how it sounded. I'm much more inclined to listen when there are not insults..insults will only make me and many others jump to the defense. It never works even when debating other topics. So alas, I'm not perfect (definitely never said I was, I'm human and flawed - at least I admit that) - *but* I don't think I took things to the level that she did in the least. And you can disagree...fine. I do not feel i've cast judgments other than feeling irritated over some feeling some sort of entitlement and coming across as insulting in regards to those that oppose their side. I guess I've judged those that felt the need to judge but as the old saying goes 'an eye for an eye makes the world go blind' so I can see it probably wasn't the best method. I was referring to people that call others 'sinners' and so forth so yes I did say "religious fanatics" as in pertaining to a group of people with a certain mindset......I'm not going to apologize for that though b/c I do feel that way. It probably wasn't the best choice of words but far from the worst.

    I have said in many posts (the many many many) that I completely understand why some would decline reading the book BUT please understand that others don't see it that way and don't call us names...COEXIST. Respect those people and their choices. Plain and simple. Don't refer to me as less than holy or a lower case 'c' Christian as Jenna did. Those insults were aimed directly at 'me' (as well as many more) just for feeling as I do. That is wrong (no matter how you phrase it) and if you think I should apologize, I think YOU should feel as if we 'both' should (as in Jenna too)....wouldn't that be only fair? Or do you think her name calling was warranted? wrong is wrong right? or are there rules to it?

    And I will say those that partake in addressing opinions with insults are people I consider religious fanatics..again as a group of people with a certain fixed mindset that expresses it negatively. if you can address me with respect, I won't have much to say on that except that I respect your choice and you may actually provoke me to listen to your side more. I am not upset with anyone who does not share my view and never said I was....I AM upset at being referred to as the many other vile choice comments that were insinuated toward me for my thoughts. I wish people acted so passionately on War, Rape, murders, child abuse etc....It would be much better placed.

    Otherwise I don't care what anyone else chooses to read. You can read erotica or the newspaper for all I care. And once again the book does contain graphic scenes *but* the story is about a person who was abused progressing toward becoming a better person. However due to some of the graphic nature I can understand some refraining from reading it or maybe because it's badly written as some have said.

    And even though Liz's irritated me by suggesting everyone's opinion was irrelevant if not backed by scripture, it was not a personal attack to which I was blatantly called a 'fool' and other choice words. I guess you are condoning that by your post? I would suggest to you that you should fair and not one sided - Maybe my tone wasn't the best at times in defense but I would like to see where you saw me call any particular person a foul name. Furthermore I will say I never meant to lump every person that disagreed with me as to being a religious fanatic..allow me to clarify: those of a fixed mindset in feeling so self righteous that are insulting others because of an opposed opinion and doing so very negatively. That's my definition of a fanatic.
    posted by Sarah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 2:01 pm
  360. Proverbs 15:1 (NIV) A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

    And that goes to anyone...even myself. :)
    posted by Sarah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 4:30 pm
  361. @Sarah, Point taken. I apologize for being snarky and insulting. Please forgive me. I shouldn't have said the things I said or allowed personal indignation to influence my responses.

    I continue to encourage everyone else here who agrees with the Dannah not to be intimidated into silence when speaking out against sin or sinful things including literary choices. Don't feel you have to be silent about your deeply held convictions or even your shallow ones. Speak out about it. Don't stoop as I did to the level of allowing personal indignation to influence your response but do speak out and be ready to give The answer for the hope that is in you. ;)
    posted by Jenna
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 4:54 pm
  362. This discussion is right on par with this nice video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk&feature=relmfu
    posted by The Skeptic
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 5:19 pm
  363. Thank you so much for this post! I'm shocked that this book is making the rounds even in churches. I don't know if people are just lacking discernment or if they get lured into reading because they just have no idea what this book is really about. My husband (who is also my pastor) has been encouraging me to write a blog post on it to warn our own ladies, but you've said it all better than I could. Linking this article to my Facebook right now...
    www.jennfaulk.com
    posted by Jennifer
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm
  364. Would someone pleasssseeee stop the verbal jousting and honestly answer the question about the Song of Solomon being erotica???? PLEASE you all go read chapter 4 then come back and we will discuss it ;) if you have any words left in you. I've read 50 shades and Song of Solomon is much more graphic and better imagery :) short but sweat :P SOS is erotica and it is scripture.... it cant be all that bad ;)
    posted by The Skeptic
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 5:33 pm
  365. Well done, Jenna! That was a good apology. Let's see if the humility will be contagious!
    posted by Kevin
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
  366. @Jenna...thank you and I apologize too. That was very gracious of you. Let's just move forward and know that although we may not agree on the book we can agree to disagree. I also encourage everyone's opinion and thoughts regardless of what they are. Diverse opinions make the world go around :)
    posted by Sarah
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm
  367. Brilliant post! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.

    I think this short video illustrates how small decisions, like reading a book, can have far-reaching consequences- for good or bad.
    posted by Amanda
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm
  368. Oops.. Here's the link to the video!

    http://youtu.be/gWQ5dPeixdw
    posted by Amanda
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
  369. I'm with the Skeptic...... still never heard one person who claims that reading sexual literature is a "sin", comment on The Song of Songs.
    posted by still waiting
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 7:35 pm
  370. Thank you, Dannah, for posting this. I've been encouraged by several of my coworkers, classmates, and even my mother-in-law to read the Grey trilogy. Everything you have written are the exact reasons that I will NOT be reading these books.

    I don't know what every page of the book contains, but I've read several synopsis, scanned the Wikipedia page, and read reviews online. I'm certain that this book contains a very riveting plot - it must, considering its popularity. But I'm also certain that the elements that are present throughout the novel - extramarital sex, sexual deviance and dominance, pain, brutality - none of these are traits of a God-centered relationship.

    Reading this book doesn't mean that you are, in your own life, partaking in any of these sinful behaviors, nor does it mean that you are going to want to in the future. But reading this book certainly does not glorify God, nor is it going to draw individuals closer to Him.

    Matthew 6: 33 "Seek first His kingdom, and His righteousness"
    posted by Katie Lynne
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm
  371. What a conversation! I was asking about this book and was directed to this site. I skimmed over many of the comments. The question, "How can you judge this book if you haven't read it?" Struck me.

    How many of us read reviews of movies before we go to them or take our children to them? I tend to check plugged-in online before going to see a popular movie. Just because it is making money at the box office doesn't mean it is any good or that I want to spend my money on it.

    Same with books. For the pop fiction, I read reviews. Good and bad. Often there are enough details of the plot that I can make an educated decision about if this is a good choice for me. (and after reading the yeas and nays here ... it is not a good choice for me - would be a trigger for past abuses)

    I also believe in garbage in - garbage out. [the term 'mommy porn' nauseated me]

    This is a Christian blog. The author's viewpoint should not be a surprise to anyone. The choices made need to fit inline with your worldview, morals, ethics, principles and beliefs.

    Mine just happen to come from a Christian Worldview.

    Thank you for writing this post and allowing many different views to be shared.
    Peace of Christ to you.
    www.chrisfrenchkramer.com
    posted by Chris K
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 9:43 pm
  372. Interesting to me that you use the word "vanilla" and yet claim to have not read the book. If you had read it, you would understand my comment.
    posted by Someone who read the book - GASP!
    on Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm
  373. Romans 14 talks about those who are weak and those who are strong in their faith. One thing it mentions is that "it is better not to...do anything else that will cause your brother to fall." To those who state that their spiritual lives are not affected by this book, please remember that someone else might be. For that reason alone, reading this book might not be such a good idea. We are called to show God's love through our actions and one way of doing that is helping others grow in their walk of faith, not place something in their way that might cause them to stumble.
    posted by Rachael
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:54 am
  374. @Sarah, I apologize for asking you questions and then disappearing for 3 days! I am a crazy busy momma which is why all my posting is in the middle of the night. :-p anyway, thanks for your answers, I like to know where someone is coming from so I don't make false assumptions.

    Basically, I agree with you to some extent on most of our side arguments... We agree about smoking. We agree about junk food, although as you alluded to, that topic is a little tricky because you do have to eat to live. You agree that porn can be dangerous, at least for some. I would argue that there is also scientific evidence that porn is harmful. For me, it is just a road I do not want to go down, as I see a host of potential negatives and it isn't worth the risk to me. I can't see how someone can look at/read that kind of stuff and not have impure thoughts, which I guess is where we disagree, and so I can't really argue with that, as you said it is between you and God.

    I wanted to respond about your view of the Bible (which I think is safe to say is fairly widespread). I think it is unfortunate that so many church leaders today cast doubt in effect on the reliability of scripture. I'm sure your reverend is a kind, good man, but I believe he is mistaken in this case. I am glad you have been able to reconcile being a Christian with not accepting all of the Bible (as opposed to rejecting it entirely), but to me the trouble is how do you know which parts you can trust or not? You said basically you decide which parts seem reasonable. But that 'pick and choose' mentality basically puts your authority above God's word, since you can then dismiss parts you don't like. Plus, you can't really have any confidence then even in the parts you think are true.

    My own reasoning journey went something like this.... First, I became convinced that the resurrection of Jesus is historical truth. This means that Jesus' claims about himself were true. Second, the Bible claims to be the Word of God, inspired ("God-breathed"), and the way to know God. So, I reason that if God is all-powerful and wants us to know him, wouldn't he make sure the book he gave us is accurate and preserved? In fact, it has been amazingly preserved (the dead sea scrolls found, accurately comparing to modern copies). And, those who copied the texts (bc and ad) were SO meticulous (I would have made a lousy scribe, lol)...it is not plausible to me to imagine that they made changes. Then, I discovered an organization called "answers in genesis" which is devoted to defending the reliability of the Bible from cover to cover...it has excited and strengthened my faith. Not that I understand everything (even by a long shot) but I'm understanding more and more. Even today, I was reading in the old testament, and amidst the 'judgment' of God, there was a clear example of his mercy...Rahab the prostitute was not only spared when Jericho was destroyed, but she went on to be in the lineage of Christ! I think we have to look at the whole Bible to get a complete picture of God, and there is a consistent theme throughout the entire Bible: God's redemption plan. (I don't think there are nearly as many "trouble" passages as people make it seem, but if you have one that honestly is a big hang-up, I could try to tackle it.).

    I guess the other thing we disagree on is our take on evangelism! :) I am terrible at confronting anyone about anything (a little easier online, lol) and definitely prefer to mind my own business about everything. But I think we are supposed to share our faith with others (Jesus said to go and make disciples of all nations). I don't mean we go around pointing out people's sin (unless maybe they believe they are perfect enough that they don't need God. But I totally agree with @Cory's post), but rather sharing the "good news" that God loves you, Jesus died for your sins, he rose again and we can have forgiveness and eternal life. If there were an amazing free gift at a store, I would tell my friends about it! On the flip side, if my friends were in danger, I would warn them. I think it's similar. That said, I have a friend who is "not interested", and so we don't talk about it. I hope one day she'll change her mind, but I don't want to lose her friendship/trust by nagging her. I do think actions speak louder than words, and I hope people can see a difference in my life. If they know who I am and what I'm about, then they know they can come to me if/when they want to make a spiritual decision.
    posted by MichelleL
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 3:09 am
  375. @Romans 14 Rachael. I come from a background of extreme legalism . I would say someone else trying to play the holy spirit in my choices of literature is a stumbling block to me.
    pintrest.com
    posted by Free Fallin
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 9:14 am
  376. Very well put! I completely agee with you!
    posted by Jennifer B.
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 12:12 pm
  377. @Free Fallin...I like that scripture!!!! And yes, agreed.
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 12:37 pm
  378. We just talked about the barriers in church membership a few weeks ago. I have read the books and am passing them on to others that want to read them and we are all enjoying them. It has put a spark back in my busy life, between working, taking care of my family and my house, this book reminded me that I also need to love and care for my husband. No wonder the majority of young people do not want to attend church or call themselves Christians when we as Christians are condemning them for what they are reading or how they feel.
    I attend church and am very involved in many activities and outreach. I think that as a church and Christians we have to evolve and meet the needs of the community, whatever they may be. We need to share God's grace and God's love and by reading this book in our homes and on our personal time we are not doing anything wrong.
    posted by Paige Bell
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 1:24 pm
  379. Thank you so much for the time to write this post. It is much needed as this book seems to be all the rage. I've been looking for a review of this from a Christian perspective so I could share it on my blog & facebook. Glad you didn't have to read it to write this post. I'll be sharing this with others.

    ...whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Philippians 4:8
    http://www.littlebirdieblessings.blogspot.com/
    posted by Abby
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm
  380. I would like to see you create some reasons that don't have to do with religion.
    Though religion is right for some people (It gives them hope or something of that nature.), and can keep others in line (if they feel as though someone is watching over them they won't make as many bad decisions.), you are a prime example of taking it too far.
    I personally think that God and death are none of my concern, I'm no philosiper. But I don't look down on others who do believe in A God, (not just the christian one.) those who could be classified as godless heathens, or others that are anywhere in between.
    I would like too see some reasons along the lines of; The writing style isn't very developed. She uses the same wording too close together. There's not much of a story line or dialogue. ect.
    Reasons like: God doesn't want me to read fiction. If you read this it will mess with your marriage and create sin in your head and heart. God did not intend for us to read this. ect, are other wise invalid answers because not one of them has much more to do with anything BUT religion and God.
    And I am proud to say that I will be reading Fifty Shades Of Grey thanks to this article. (:
    posted by Nicole
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm
  381. @Michelle

    I 100% understand...I have 2 little ones as well and I'm just ridiculous fast at typing. I wanted to write at one time and had started all sorts of mini novels..none of which I felt a certain energy to finish b/c I wasn't completely enthralled with my own story to which I believe will come through in a novel. One has to feel passion for the story after all. But that's probably
    why I type so fast though. It's second nature..I can sit for 5 minutes and rattle off and response and go. Even a long winded one lol. Most are pretty informal as a result.

    This subject has definitely evoked much out of me (post wise) due to the controversy and how I feel on the subject. I have come across too aggressively at times and I'm stepping back from that. It's not right of me either. One should lead by example and not all of my posts have reflected that of me lol.

    I feel we agree on some things however maybe not in how we make decisions on other things. This debate has provided
    many diverse opinions. I feel your response is eloquently written to which I most enjoyed reading it. I may see things differently but I truly respect in how you worship. And I would never tell you it's wrong...how could I?

    Our Church is pretty laid back as their intent is to entice people to accept God into their lives. I know they are different in that women are not expected to wear dresses or skirts....dress pants are acceptable. The Pastor injects humor into some of his stories as well as being one of the nicest of human beings I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He would never turn anyone away from his Church...My Reverend is also a personal friend. He made it more than clear that he did not feel Erotica was for him LOL. Let me be clear in saying that. Or Porn. I think what he was meaning is that if we are to condemn some things and not others in our fellow people, it's a slippery slope. Where does one draw the line in comparison to other sins and all sin is not equal. He also believes that this only serves to drive some away from God and if his job is to embrace and pull them closer, it must be one that does this without judgment. The Reverend and Pastor both speak gently..Now if you outright asked them what they thought on Porn or Erotica, I'm more than sure they would council on 'their' views yet not in a way to condemn another for their choice. They stay away from being pushy at all because of their view that it repels people
    from seeking God. I think the reasoning in this is that once they completely embrace certain things into their own life, choices may change. I feel that's pretty wise and due to that soothing nature, it attracts many. My Reverend merely wanted me to feel rest assured that he did not think of me as a bad person for any choices he felt would not be great literary choices. He said he didn't feel God would either hence adding on that only God can look into one's soul and see who they are. He said each person takes a different road and sometimes many wrong roads lead to the right one and sometimes they may not be deemed as wrong for a particular person. He did make it very clear that none of that was for him though. So you won't find him promoting this book but you also won't find him referring to any person as a sinner as a result of reading it. This book, nor others have even been mentioned during services. It's a personal thing to which he will give his advice if asked. It won't coincide with mine lol. I feel he has such a graceful way of conveying this thoughts.

    I am the one that feels the Bible has had too much of a human influence to which I have a hard time discerning some things over others. It doesn't mean that I disrespect the Bible or any of the scriptures......It means that I can see many meanings to a given scripture and interpretations. Maybe not
    to all of them...but a lot. I can't answer as how I know what to trust or not except for what resonates with me. I have so many scientific beliefs too and they get confused at times. I may a Christian but I've never claimed to a perfect one by far. I just try to do what I feel is right in my life.

    I did very much enjoy reading of your journey but I feel I am still on mine. I can't really answer if I feel God made sure the Bible is accurate. Only God knows for sure however that only ignites more questions with me. Why was the first testament completely re-written if that were the case? I've read the old testament and some of it is downright terrifying in what it condones. My journey so far has led me to believe that there is a lot of free will when it comes to life. I have never been one to like phrases such as 'God never puts more on you than you can handle' because it leads me to wonder about suicide.
    Obviously some had a bit on them that was more than they could handle. I would also have to entertain that if everything is God's plan, how are some kids murdered in horrific ways and why doesn't He intervene in addition to the many horrible and brutal ways of 3rd world countries. Do they not count? This is where i feel free will is a big part. Like grown ups watching children...God watches his. Do miracles sometimes
    happen? I think so - I think there have been times God or Angels have intervened.......I think if one prays and prays
    sometimes things could be heard/granted and sometimes the
    answer is no. I think how a person handles what is given to them is what speaks of their character; as in never ever
    allowing any circumstance to turn you into a mean or cruel being. If there is a satan, I feel that's exactly what he wants. I just have too many questions that don't have conclusive answers and some things do not make any sense to me. My Reverend by no means meant to suggest that there wasn't scripture or his opinion to help in his view. He just knows I'll still have mine to which he doesn't condemn me for (and I appreciate this) because he knows I am a good person at heart with no ill will wished upon another. With that said. I do know many that are agnostic for varies reasons..mainly because they lean toward science much more. They lead very moral lives and are some of the most giving people I've met. Since I am a flawed person who certainly does not hold the answers, I can't possibly provide that to another. I feel I am still on the path of understanding more things & always a work in process. The old testament vs New really makes me question the most. After reading parts of the old testament condoning stoning and other harsh actions, I almost felt as if it should burst into flames after reading it. The new testament is great and one to which (although I question at times, yes) I still hold to a high regard. Granted I do agree with you on each having an entire overall theme - I just feel it's obvious by the differences of the two that a human hand was involved when it came to changing some of the scriptures. I could never believe that God condoned stoning or some of the other harsh things in references to women...many things. It's obvious men were held to a higher regard due to those times. On the old testament it's said : The Old Testament consists of a large number of separate books collected together into a single volume - many authors were involved. it is said : Unlike the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible, of which Christians hold different views, the contents of the New Testament deal explicitly with 1st century Christianity, although both the Old and New Testament are regarded, together, as sacred scripture. The New Testament has therefore (in whole or in part) frequently accompanied the spread of Christianity around the world, and both reflects and serves as a source for Christian theology. Due to this, (key word 'views') I feel it's easy to say that what any person says out of faith is based off conjecture. Not each faith is the same either. It seems every Christian I've known has had different viewpoints on things. In that alone...how does one know what to trust....I guess each person must find that within themselves.

    As another posting stated, I agree as well that I feel I am stronger (through my faith and many reasons) than being swayed by *any* sort of literature. I've read other things considered as erotica, things of a violent nature, classics etc....fiction is fiction in my eyes. I'm not swayed. I am pretty stubborn, strong willed and fixed with my own viewpoints. I am not an easily swayed person when it comes to about anything in life. I don't believe everyone can be this way based upon their own psyche however. Remember how some claimed Dungeons and Dragons led them to murder or how other types of literature were blamed for suicide, etc? These individuals already had something array psychologically speaking. It would not have taken much to push them. Just as how porn is the worst thing for a sex addict. Personally I don't watch porn (I've seen it but I'm far from an avid viewer) because it just makes me feel nauseated. From what I have seen of it, it does nothing for me except nauseates me. But if another with a strong psyche does, I sure won't be casting any judgement - yet reading erotica doesn't have that same effect for whatever reason. I'm more enthralled by the overall story. Porn usually doesn't have a story or if it does, it's purposely not meant for that. I don't see any erotica in stories as the same as porn for that reason and just my opinion. And remember the claims on Harry Potter alone? I just feel it's out of hand.

    I highly respect your views and although we may differ I don't feel telling others about what the book has in store is wrong at all. There will be other Christians that will be glad to know and will steer clear b/c of it. The book is not for everyone and I realize that. I think the issue I had was the finger pointing and name calling etc that started to take place. It only served as a catalyst to fuel anger in many people.
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm
  382. @Nicole I completely understand...I may be Christian or I consider myself as one at least. Yet this book is on my reading list lol...I have another to finish first.....From friends that nit pick writing I've heard they feel there are themes comparable to twilight which I must read to see why LOL! The Twilight saga was pretty tame in my view but I think the comparison is how the main character is dominating or something. I do know Edward (vamp) in twilight was. Others have said the writing is not the best *however* the overall story captivated them b/c it was about how a person learned to get over their past abuse - Many times a decent story will allow others to be more forgiving on the writing aspect although I can't say just yet what I think. I feel the Twilight saga was not the best writing I ever encountered but the dynamics of werewolf/vampire were interesting. I can see how it appealed although I was rather annoyed by the female lead 'bella' to which I deemed as a very boring & weak character that whined about too much. I felt she was a ridiculous character. I hope the character in 50 shades is different than Bella at least.
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm
  383. I would like to see you create some reasons that don't have to do with religion.
    Though religion is right for some people (It gives them hope or something of that nature.), and can keep others in line (if they feel as though someone is watching over them they won't make as many bad decisions.), you are a prime example of taking it too far.
    I personally think that God and death are none of my concern, I'm no philosiper. But I don't look down on others who do believe in A God, (not just the christian one.) those who could be classified as godless heathens, or others that are anywhere in between.
    I would like too see some reasons along the lines of; The writing style isn't very developed. She uses the same wording too close together. There's not much of a story line or dialogue. ect.
    Reasons like: God doesn't want me to read fiction. If you read this it will mess with your marriage and create sin in your head and heart. God did not intend for us to read this. ect, are other wise invalid answers because not one of them has much more to do with anything BUT religion and God.
    And I am proud to say that I will be reading Fifty Shades Of Grey thanks to this article. (:
    posted by Nicole
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm
  384. @Sarah
    I'm glad to see that there are a few people on this page that don'tautomatically judge a book by its cover. (Or reviews. Ha!) It pains me to see that so many will blindly follow this article instead of thinking about the book themselves.

    P.S. I also disliked the writing style of Twilight. Though the idea was intrigueing, Stephanie Myer's wording made me feel as if I was reading a script or TV pilot. Perhaps that is why it got made into a movie so quickly. (;
    posted by Nicole
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 2:50 pm
  385. Articles like this that have a sole basis of digging into a persons mind and telling them what is right and what is wrong without a gray area open for interpretation are just plain wrong. Espically if you are to flasly say that it is in the name of our lord and savior. If you want to state your opinion fine, but don't go about proclaiming that it's all because of your religion. Any religion can be slandered; i.e. there ware some Wiccans who call themselves Satanists and proclaim that they are proud to be one and support black magic and sacrifices and what not. That does not mean that all Wiccans are like that, and they have butchered a perfectly respectful pagan branched earth based religion by saying what they do. The author of this article gives us Christians a bad name and makes us all out to be ignorant JesusFreaks!

    This article shouldn't have been posted on Truewoman. Perhaps, next time you want to rant, try Christwire.org That's where all the crazy christians that I know go to spread their ignorant word.
    posted by Chantelle
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 3:06 pm
  386. The Bible and contradictions....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RB3g6mXLEKk
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 4:53 pm
  387. @Nicole,

    No I definitely won't be judging someone's literary choices..heck 50 shades is on MY list LOL! I can understand if the graphics are too strong for the tastes of some people but I read about anything and I'm Christian...And there are times I think the Bible has contradictions due to how many in history have had a hand in it. hence the link I posted. I do like the overall moral code though I won't be telling others what I think they should do in their life. I hardly have the answers.... If someone asked for an opinion, sure I'll try to give one to the best of my ability. But I rarely openly inject unless it's something pretty extreme. I consider the book issue as benign. (Just my view again) I did get annoyed quickly at others condemning people stating they will be reading it for whatever reason as I felt strongly that was not right *but* I've toned myself down.

    Twilight - SIGH! yes...terribly written. It's written in a first person narrative form which is very close to being script like....It is meant for a younger audience however in that form, one must have a very compelling and interesting character. Sadly I feel Bella fell so short of that....I found myself eye rolling at how badly she would beat up on herself as well as just deciding the vampire lifestyle was 'it' for her at 18. AND for allowing a controlling vampire to just lead her by the nose and feel as if there was no life w/out him. She mentions no life prior to meeting him..no hobbies....nothing. I think placing that much importance on a guy in general (hot sparkly vampire or not) is not a fantastic message for young impressionable girls. However if i had a daughter i would allow her to read it and we would discuss it after. Shielding is never a good idea in my view. I was shielded from much when growing up so when the reigns were cut loose after graduation, i was wild and wanted to do anything & everything I could not prior. I feel it's best to have a diverse amount of knowledge in order to form opinions, grow as a person etc.

    Anyway, Bella was not developed well as a character either throughout - She pretty much remained the same. In my view that was not a strong female character. I had to read about this characters whiny thoughts for much of the book just to get to the better parts. That was awful. The idea of the story was indeed not bad at all! ...more of a foreground story would have helped New Moon out more - I feel Eclipse was the best of the 3 due to having a strong foreground story and the dynamics of all of the characters....Otherwise so many holes as well as just bad writing with words I'd actually never heard of injected here and there to which surprised me - I think Stephanie Meyer's was indeed using a thesaurus
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 5:14 pm
  388. Why are these books being compared to Twilight? They are nothing alike- one is fantasy, and one is erotic fiction. As far as comparing authors writing, I personally have never been a critic on a book's writing style. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it. Twilight is popular because it is a great story, regardless of whether others think that Stephenie Meyer isn't a good writer.

    I hear so many people saying that twilight isn't a good example for teenages, yet there is crap like fifty shades of grey on the market. I would much rather have my kids read twilight then some erotic fiction that teaches them that its okay for a man to hurt you and command you in all things in your life.
    posted by Rachelle
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm
  389. @Rachelle - no no..I was not comparing (if you meant me).....I have not read 50 shades yet so I would not know. They were compared by others because of the 'theme' of a dominant man and the bad writing. That's it.

    I was just discussing how bad I felt Twilight's writing was with Nicole. Bad writing is bad writing and it's ok to have an opinion on that - we actually agreed the story was good but we just happen to think the writing wasn't the best and I had some other complaints. Totally my own view. Even if I did say it was not a good example for teen girls I also said I would still let my own daughter read it if I had a daughter..I have all boys though.

    50 shades is for adults....not teens - Although I'm ok with myself reading it, I would not be ok with any of my teens reading it...It is meant for adults. Twilight is YA. I would also much rather my 'kids' read twilight.
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 5:37 pm
  390. We were discussing twilight as a separate topic entirely.
    posted by Sarah
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm
  391. Thank you for a beautiful article. So much of what is in movies, on television or in books is "soft porn." I didn't know much about the book, so I'm glad I found your blog article.
    posted by Carol Paur
    on Monday, June 4, 2012 at 10:49 pm
  392. So, Dannah Gresh, if you are going to apply Matthew 5:27-28 to your life, as you claim to do, will you also incorporate Matthew 5:29-30 or at least support it should others choose to? And I do not know why you are against bondage, male dominance, and sadism considering the God your worship endorses such evil. In fact, raping and brutalizing woman is one of his many calling cards (Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Deuteronomy 22:23-24, 2 Samuel 12:11-14, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Zechariah 14:1-2). You choose to use two particular verses on which to base you stance against a fictional story, yet you do not bother to consider the many other verses from a book (the Bible) that you consider historically reliable that essentially discredit the foundation for your entire argument. You cannot cherry-pick which verses you wish to abide by and which verses you will ignore. That in itself is a sin.

    Here are some more "shades of truth" brought to you by your God:

    Leviticus 11:7= If you eat pork chops or ham or bacon you are SINNING.

    Leviticus 11:12= If you eat shrimp or crab or lobster or oysters or scallops you are SINNING.

    Leviticus 19:19= Better not wear an article of clothing consisting of more than one fabric or you will be a SINNER against GOD!

    Leviticus 15:19-20= When you have your period, God says you are unclean and impure. And faithful men should not allow themselves to be tainted by you nasty women or they will be SINNING.

    Deuteronomy 25:11-12= If your husband is attacked by a violent thug and you try to defend him by hitting the attacker in his genitals, YOUR HANDS MUST BE CUT OFF.

    Leviticus 19:16= NO GOSSIPING! Let's be honest here ladies, do you seriously avoid this at all costs?

    Leviticus 20:27= Disrespectful children, drunken sons, those who break the Sabbath are only a few of the people who GOD DEMANDS BE STONED TO DEATH.

    Deuteronomy 3= GOD ordered the killing of thousands of innocent MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN. (This is only one of multiple examples of God behaving so cruelly and mercilessly).

    Hosea 13= One of my personal favorites, God states that precious little BABIES MUST BE SLAMMED against rocks until dead and PREGNANT WOMEN MUST BE RIPPED OPEN open with swords.

    You may be tempted to give the "Well that is the Old Testament and Jesus died for our sins and cancels out everything else" retort. But not so fast! Jesus clearly insists that the Old Testament must be obeyed. (Matthew 5:18-19). Also, how many of you posters are divorced or have had more than one husband? Guess what, you are adulterers according to JESUS and guess what else! Adultery is punishable by DEATH. But times have changed, and we all like to bend the rules and interpret things so that our lifestyles are not considered wicked in the eyes of God. But again, there is a verse in the Bible about that kind of self-righteousness and hypocrisy as well (2 Peter 1:20-21).
    posted by Kelsey
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 1:18 am
  393. @Kelsy...thanks for reminding me of why i loathe the old testament.....ugh. It was indeed horrific
    posted by Sarah
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 6:06 am
  394. You gave up fiction, yet that is exactly what the bible is, fiction...I find the stories in the bible more unnerving and disturbing...
    posted by Are you serious?
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 8:59 am
  395. I'd like to remind everyone that freedom of speech (the 1st ammendment) allows authors to write whatever type of novels they like. There are plenty of erotic novels available, but the only reason any of you are discussing this is because it's being discussed among those in our society. Perhaps the reason it's being discussed is because many people enjoy it? Just food for thought. I myself have not read it, but it is not your place to scorn others for reading it, not is it your "Christian duty" to judge others. Human rights rule that anyone can read any book they want, whether you like it or not!

    Expand your minds and open your hearts to those who are different than you.
    posted by Leigh
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 10:19 am
  396. IT"S JUST A BOOK PEOPLE!!!! If your such Christians then don't JUDGE!!!! You made your choice not to read it and I made mine to read it. Take it however you wish! Please!
    posted by CB
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 10:57 am
  397. I read most of these comments, actually amused. I am a strong Christian wife and mother of four. I have read these books. I read all of them in five days. I truly enjoyed them. No, I didn't lust in my mind or in my heart. No, I didn't get aroused.

    There are so many books, television shows and movies that are "PG" that depict immoral and sinful behavior. Please, name one that you think exhibits perfect Christian qualities. And, let's leave the Bible out on this one. I'm sure your children aren't sitting around reading a bible in their spare time.

    I think I may re-read these books after reading this blog. They were that good and, frankly, the author doesn't deserve this attacking criticism. Read it. Then judge. Don't judge based on judgements.

    Laters, baby!
    posted by Gabriella
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm
  398. You all think you are strong women of Christ for opposing this book. Maybe you are all truly just weak because you can't handle reading a fun little book and still remain satisfied with your husbands. Temptation itself is not a sin. Acting upon temptation is a sin. Even JESUS was tempted. You certainly have a right to express your opinion on this book, but do not pass judgement on those who read it, enjoyed it, and giggled with their friends about it. It is a BOOK. I can't believe what some of you are saying about God wanting you to not read fiction. I actually laughed out loud when I read that. That's absurd. Fiction is imagination. I am in AWE everyday at what an amazing imagination GOD had when he created this beautiful earth. If you are not interested in this sort of "erotica fiction," or whatever you want to call it, don't read it. And if you think you can't handle reading it without going out and cheating on your husbands, then by all means don't read it. But do not judge others for being stronger-willed than you.
    posted by LG
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm
  399. Lol! You all sound the same. You are all upset about the Dannah saying she's not going to read the books and why. Your upset because you feel judged and put out that someone would have the audacity to say their opinion that reading this series is not a good idea for a Christian. Then you all condemn those who agree with her and feel the same telling them that if they don't like it don't read it. But non of you are practicing what you are preaching! If you don't like what she has to say why do you read it? Why do you egg each other on telling others to keep their condemning opinions to themselves when all the while you yiurselves are doing the same? All of you people are nuts. All of you, both for and against this woman's thoughts. Lol! Let the Christians alone and do what you want. Do they or don't they have the power to condemn? If they're powerless don't keep giving them power! You compromise yourselves greatly and I. The end are looking more hateful and insecure than you probably are. You expose your weekness the more you engage them! They don't hear your words anyway.
    posted by Becky
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 3:40 pm
  400. @Kelsey...Jesus gave a good answer to your post when He said “you do err not knowing the Scriptures.” Your assumptions and bitterness have blinded you to understanding the Bible. Just one example, when you say “GOD ordered the killing of thousands of innocent MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN” you are assuming you know more than God about innocence and guilt. I dare say since you do not acknowledge the value of the truths in the Bible, you have made up your own rules as to conduct and behavior. God in His grace allows you to do that, but your life and your eternity will be impacted by the consequences. We pray for you and trust that somewhere, somehow, sometime in your life you will experience God’s love and goodness. God bless you.
    posted by Sarah, with the TW Team
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm
  401. I agree with Kelsey on the Old testament - I do find parts of it as vile and contradictory and many other things. I hardly think 'children' could be guilty of much to deserve destruction. Doesn't that go against the grain on the thoughts of abortion? If fetuses are innocent beings up for murder then the ordering of killing kids falls in line. Contradictions, contradictions. As I said before the Bible has passed through so many different hands in my opinion. Kelsey I don't think anyone can say if your life/eternity will be impacted. I'm sure you know that already though. I liked your post very much and felt there were valid points.
    posted by Sarah
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm
  402. There are 2 Sarahs do note...I am not with the TW team :)
    posted by Sarah
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm
  403. I am a woman of faith and the way people are reacting to this book is crazy to me. Yes, there are a lot of erotic scenes in the book. However, there is a plot to it. It's not just a bunch of meaningless sex. It is about two people madly in love that get married and she discovers he has a dark past. His biological mother was a drug addict and he was beaten and died. He was adopted and has spent his whole life not talking about the bad things that have happened to him until she came along. She is trying to work hand in hand with him trying to teach him how to become more comfortable with his emotions and attitude toward women as well as letting people care for him. His childhood was extremely rough and its about him overcoming that. Yes, there are cuss words and some parts that go a little beyond the comfort zone but it's not deserving of this much negativity.
    posted by Katie
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm
  404. Evan Ellen Degeneres said on her show that this book has no literary value and that it was just porn. Smut.
    posted by Becky
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 8:33 pm
  405. I caved to the pressure, read it, and hated it. Nothing "romantic" about it at all. I sincerely hope that teenage and young women who choose to read it understand that this isn't a blossoming relationship, and relationships that begin with abuse, dominance, and her not feeling like she is worthy, don't have a fairy tale ending in the real world. The main character is often referred to by others as being a strong, intelligent, independent woman. I saw her as none of these. She was a lost, whiny, insecure girl.
    posted by Emily
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 10:13 pm
  406. Wow there are so many interesting parts of this piece, but here's my fave...

    "I’ve been studying what God says about sexuality for fifteen years. According to Him, there is only one who should stimulate sexual desire in me: my husband."

    That's great... God actually said that? He... (and God is a he?) ...He actually SPOKE and made this clear?

    Someone needs a proper religious history lesson.
    posted by Niki
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 10:14 pm
  407. While I respect your opinion and views I would like to clear the air on BDSM. It is not something that someone just wakes up one day and says I wanna get beaten and tied up. It's more of discovering a trust/bond with your partner. Just like the book their are boundaries, limits, and safe words. It's about exploring MUTUALLY your desires and limits and trusting your partner NOT to hurt you.

    I for one HATE erotic literature because as you say it lacks a storyline, artist expression and influence. However, I broke and read this book and have to say that I quite enjoyed what this girl was going through behind the story. This book was not about sex. It was about a young girl making choices/finding herself and struggling with her own emotions and feelings, while also having a strong desire to be with this man.

    You know the saying never judge a book by its cover. Well in this case it's literal.
    Www.poodleadoodles.com
    posted by Karen burton
    on Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 11:08 pm
  408. Thanks so much for this post! I wrote about this just the other day and was feeling somewhat alone in my viewpoint. I shared this post on facebook, hoping that maybe your reasons will help to convince those that ignored mine.
    http://seasonswithmysavior.blogspot.com/2012/05/black-and-white-or-endless-shades-of.html
    http://seasonswithmysavior.blogspot.com/2012/05/black-and-white-or-endless-shades-of.html
    posted by Jenny
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 12:07 am
  409. I am sure that E L James will thank all of you for this free advertisement and interest in her writings. I think most of you are forgetting what God says about judging others. Ya'll must have skipped over that part of the Bible. I read all 3 books and found it to be a good story. I certainly think you should have a little more knowledge of what you speak of, and if you haven't read the books you can't be a critic. I would like to hear of someone who read the books and found them offensive. Haven't seen that yet!
    posted by Linda
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 12:24 am
  410. Great series of books. Those of you against reading it probably couldn't handle it, since your lives sound so dull!
    posted by Nicki
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 12:30 am
  411. @ Sarah with the TW team, I think my post went over your head (which means you did not comprehend it). You see, the author's essay really struck a nerve and I wanted to express my disdain for her flawed opinion. My point was to demonstrate how Christians today live by their own rules and do not actually live by the words of their God. And you replied "I dare say since you do not acknowledge the value of the truths in the Bible, you have made up your own rules as to conduct and behavior. God in His grace allows you to do that, but your life and your eternity will be impacted by the consequences."
    Honestly, this made me chuckle. How you have clearly only further supported what I said. You are blind to your own hypocrisy. You are blind because being blind makes your life easier. Your life is easier not only because you are able to blend into and be accepted by Western society (the majority of which is Christian) due to your common lack of obedience to your God but also by your public profession of faith in said God.
    Allow me to demonstrate. How do you feel about Islam and Muslims in the Middle East Sarah? What is your opinion on the stoning of women? It is a murderous and extreme act, is it not? But Muslims who stone women to death do so because the God of Abraham, who Christians also worship, commands it. So if you find the stoning of Islamic women appalling, are you not also refusing to "acknowledge the value of the truths in the Bible" and making up "your own rules as to conduct and behavior"? But please, do forgive me if my assumption is inaccurate and you in fact support the stoning of those wicked disobedient women.
    posted by Kelsey
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 1:21 am
  412. Thanks for your thoughts but I will be reading the book. I am interested in seeing what it is about and agree with the above comment that post Christians are not suppose to judge yet here we are. I find that the Christians tend to be one of the first to judge. but any who again thank you for your thoughts but I will be reading the book anyways.
    posted by Unknown
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 6:02 am
  413. its just a book do you take everything you read serious oh no a big wolf i going to attack me or a vampire is going to bite me reading is for you imagination and i have not read the book but if someone chooses to read it you say they are sinning that is stupid its a book and smut or not alot of people fantasize about others and oh no get stimulated stupid reason not to read a book and people who watch porn some actually do theses things with their partner how many comedy movies out there have sex do you only turn on treehouse every show on tv has sexual messages its what sells if i read this book i wont consider myself cheating on god its just a book
    posted by Lisa
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 8:49 am
  414. The comments on this are unbelievable! I believe the intent of the original post was for the author to state why SHE chose not to read the books and to give those who might be on the fence about reading them some things to consider before doing so. I don't read anywhere her calling anyone a sinner or sinful for reading the books. I don't see where she condemned, judged or called unchristian anyone who has. It seems like there are a whole lot of people on the defensive about why they read (or are planning to read) the books. If you read them and are good with your choice then fine, you don't have to answer to anyone here. If you didn't read, that's fine too. I chose not to read them, not because I feel I'm a better Christian than anyone else, but rather the reviews on my nook were so poor that I prefered not to spend my money on a book that many think is very poorly written, has little plot and no redeeming value in the characters. I give Dannah credit for backing up her reasons with biblical thought and scripture. All this back and forth seems only to promote the controversy of 50 Shades and does nothing to further Christianity! The world doesn't need to make Christians look bad, we do a great job of that on our own!
    posted by Sheryl
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 10:00 am
  415. I can respect the decision some have made to NOT read the books. It would be awesome if those same people could respect others' decisions to read the books. I actually decided to read them after a Christian friend of mine recommended them to me. I was pleasantly surprised by the story, the writing, and how much I got from them. It's hard to understand why those who have not read the books are commenting as though they know what they are about and how they will affect other peoples' lives. Personally, I read the books while fantasizing about my own life with my husband...it has increased my confidence and opened up new ways for us to explore each other (something God created a husband and wife to do). It also was a beautiful story about accepting each other - both people - in the relationship, learning how to compromise in a relationship, learning and respecting each other's boundaries, each other's histories, even commitment! If you feel like you shouldn't read them, then don't. If you decide to read them, I would just encourage you to read it with your spouse and your relationship in mind. Judge for yourselves what you should or should not read. And please, learn how to respect other peoples' opinions when they differ from your own. Just sayin'.
    posted by Michelle
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 10:13 am
  416. So many people telling the "Christians" not to judge...yet you are all judging them. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are. Practice what you preach already! You act like you're only responding to them...but you're the instigators of the behavior! Learn how to read AND comprehend! You're making the rest of us pagans look stupid! @all you Christians, I appologize for the ignorance of the rest who don't shre your view. I think they struggle with insecurity. Have your faith. Have your convictions...even if they convict me personally. I won't try to squash your American rights like the other ignorant yahoos here. Sheesh! I'm so embarrassed by them.
    posted by Missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 10:30 am
  417. Oh yeah, and the rest of the Christians who are getting all defensive about feeling condemned by Dannah and those who agree with her, you all sound rediculous! You're all mad because they have their opinion and your all qualifying your own faith all the while your judging them for theirs. Lol! You idiots make me laugh and cry at the same time for the stupidity of humanity. "I'm a Christian.". "No, I am!" "Nu-uh! I'm the real Christian!". " Well, I'm a christian but I don't believe in god or the bible but you can't judge me for that!". Are you kidding? Ur all so dumb.
    posted by Missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
  418. ........ and it remains quiet on the topic of the Song of Songs..... who out there, who argues that reading about sex is wrong based on religious/Biblical principal's, can explain why Song of Songs is in the Bible?
    posted by just wondering
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 11:04 am
  419. I agree with @YFaith and others that agreed with her. The main character was a virgin until she met him. They get married, his problems stem from childhood issues which she tries to help him with and he tries to overcome. Shows that a marriage even with turmoil and baggage can find true love and overcome all things. I thought it was very similar to a very adult version of Beauty and the Beast. But it encouraged me in my marriage, that true love overcomes all and was one of the best images of unconditional love I have read in a while. (book 1 leaves you majorly hanging and it isn't until book 2 that you see those attributes really come out) PS - I work at a church, one of my best friends works at a church and the other two ladies I've been discussing the series with I met in a ladies Bible study.
    posted by Unconditional<3
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 1:09 pm
  420. @Kelsey...Thanks for expressing your comments. There’s no reason for us to debate on the blog as it's not likely we would change each other’s minds. We view God and the Scriptures quite differently. But, we live in a country where we can "believe and express our beliefs as we choose"—and I trust "that" we can agree on is good!
    posted by Sarah, with the TW Team
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm
  421. @Sheryl - I think some are upset b/c of the other comments that suggest some as being wrong and having to deal with consequences etc. I can understand that..I did not like that either. Although I thought the author was kind of strongly worded in her views (though I respect her views, i don't care about that) she ALSO chimed in at one one to a post from 'submissive wife' (waaaaay up there by now) - the person who posted that said she felt the books enhanced her love life. Nothing wrong with that..it's her and her husband....BUT Dannah (author) chimed in with a post about how that was so wrong and she would PRAY for her to realize real love isn't like that etc. That only serves to rile people up b/c how dare anyone tell that person they are wrong when they alluded to being happy. It's flat out condescending. Just let it be and respect THEIR choice as you aired your own. Saying you will pray for them suggests they are taking part in something terribly wrong and does suggest it's sinful. And like the others, I say ...it's JUST a book. Since there is a 2nd Sarah from the TW team I thought I'd add to my name to hopefully ensue there is NOOO confusion as we have opposite viewpoints.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm
  422. @Sarah, with the TW Team

    I could see where Kelsey was coming from & felt she had valid points in response to other postings. This really is not a venue for debating religious viewpoints or insulting. I already got into that sort of deal well above but I think we all made peace in how our thoughts are different and decided it was best to refrain from any sort of negative commentary toward another merely no their view of a 'book'. Just agree to disagree or at least post without words that suggest what the other is doing is wrong. There are no Christians better than the other here over a book...that actually makes me laugh! No one sees into another persons life or knows anything of them based upon a book. I even realized that I was too strongly worded in many of my posts in defense and decided I would work toward getting my thoughts across in a different manner as a result. When you stated ::

    "I dare say since you do not acknowledge the value of the truths in the Bible, you have made up your own rules as to conduct and behavior. God in His grace allows you to do that, but your life and your eternity will be impacted by the consequences. We pray for you and trust that somewhere, somehow, sometime in your life you will experience God’s love and goodness"

    ==
    I have to admit that response annoyed me as well b/c it suggested you were trying to 'educate' her on her interpretations. No one here can do that or conclude to know enough about a person (based on postings) to say they made up their own rules, etc when it comes to the Bible then further state her life will be impacted by it and you will pray for her. Those are the types of responses firing some up. It comes across as very obtuse, condemning and arrogant. Personally I like this scripture :

    Proverbs 15:1 (NIV) A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm
  423. @Missy

    That is the sort of thing making people angry. No one likes their Christianity called into question over something as silly as this and no one on this board can do that anyway. When you say :: (as if to mock)

    Well, I'm a christian but I don't believe in god or the bible but you can't judge me for that!". Are you kidding? Ur all so dumb.

    ==
    That just solidifies my point to the core b/c it completely twisted what others said to fit your own agenda. I don't think anyone stated they don't believe in God or the Bible..just debated on their interpretations and having questions due to the old testament/ new testament. I won't get into that as debating viewpoints in Religion is just opening a can of worms - same with politics. Calling those people dumb and insulting them doesn't get your point across very graciously at all. It fact, it only turns things around to make you look as if what you suggested what others are.
    ==
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 2:01 pm
  424. Thank you for the stand you are taking.
    posted by Ellen Peacock
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
  425. I enjoyed reading this article and especially all of the comments. I think it's great that you are standing up for what you believe in and that you've made your choice not to read something. I heard a lot about it, and am actually surprised, since it is so popular, that it is an erotic fiction..which isn't really my thing. However, after reading some of the comments I must say...

    It seems like what a lot of christians forget is that they have free will. the devil will not make you do anything, it is YOUR decision. If you decide to cheat on your husband after reading some sub-par trashy erotic fiction, maybe you should be questioning your relationship with your spouse, and not whether the devil somehow re-wired your brain.
    Also, I am not sure why Christians are so uptight about sex. Having grown up as a southern baptist I have never understood the taboo of exploring your sexuality. It's sad because the religion almost makes sex out to be an embarrassing and unnatural thing. But for the record, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with WILLINGLY participating in BDSM (or whatever other sexual fetish you have) with your partner. If that is what turns you two on, if that is what you like, then by all means. The bible doesn't say how you should have sex, last time I checked anyway. Maybe with a little experimentation, things wouldn't be so uptight around here :p
    posted by Aimee
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 3:02 pm
  426. This book is amazing and I love the fact that the people judging the book haven't even read it and understand what the book truly represents. The book is actually about a boy who... endures a horrific childhood of neglect and child abuse and the way he tries to cope as an adult. You know what ultimately saves him? LOVE....as in god is love. How many of you Christians are perfect? Wait I will answer for you ZERO. We are all sinners saved by grace. The trouble with most Christians today is that they would rather be on the judgement seat than on the witness stand. When you Christians are so tired of being hypocritical I would suggest you buy the movie "Beware of Christians". It truly is life changing.
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:09 pm
  427. Lol Rachel!

    You are doing exactly what you accuse them of doing! YOU are judging! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

    Missy is on to something here! "You're judging me!" "No I'm not! You're judging ME!"

    It IS getting funny! Super funny!

    @Sarah,

    I would wager that Missy doesn't give a rip about your god or your opinions. "...as if to mock" are you in any doubt? She is clearly mocking you guys. Stop giving her reason to mock if you don't like it.

    Do not judge so that you will not be judged. Get it?
    posted by Becky
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:18 pm
  428. Yes, I'm mocking. lol! And I DON'T care what you think of it! If it's wrong for you...don't do it. If it's ok for me...I will. The same measure of justice applies to all.
    posted by Missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:23 pm
  429. I think it's super funny that everyone's so made at the christians and their god for judging everyone else. But you are all doing it to each other! Really not getting it are you! Blind leading the blind.
    posted by missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm
  430. What is even more funny are the ones who are bound and determined to prove that they are just as much christian as anyone else. lol! I never heard of anything so pathetic in all my days. Angry with me for saying it? lol! PLEASE! Could you have a lower self esteem? If you're as confident as you try to portray, let it go already! I don't care what you think. Why do you care enough to get angry about what I or anyone else thinks? Argue much? Think highly of your opinions much? lol!
    posted by missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm
  431. Becky, I think you are missing my point. I am judgemental...we all are and we all are sinners. I am just as far from perfect as the people who have decided not to read this awesome book.
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 4:52 pm
  432. My point was entirely missed too but that is ok. I don't care what anyone thinks of my views however I will judge the blatant insults as a result. I'm not insecure but you can think as you wish..I just feel it's rude to name call b/c well...it is. Pointing out the obvious I would think. Never said I was perfect either - once again..

    Proverbs 15:1 (NIV) A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm
  433. @Becky...great post and well said!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm
  434. OOPS ..TO RACHEL....GREAT POST AND WELL SAID....lol...
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 5:17 pm
  435. Lol, Sarah! "I don't care what anyone thinks of my views" I think it's clear by the sheer number of your posts that you care very much. lol! You totally dominate the convo here. "A gentle answer turns away wrath" That may have worked on Jenna but not me. I don't care about your god or what you've picked and chosen to think he says. Next you'll tell me you're gonna pray for me. lol!!!
    posted by missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm
  436. Missy.....

    Actually, we are already praying for you!! You are truly lost. It is evident in your post. As far as "the blind leading the blind"......I would much rather be attempting to see....than to be in total darkness for eternity! Open your eyes and your heart. God loves you! You are deserving! XOXO
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 5:40 pm
  437. LOL! Rachel! See! You're no different than Dannah! I'm lost? Maybe you're lost. Maybe we are all in one big lost and found. I'm cool with that. "You are deserving"...really? According to what standards? You don't know me from Eve (notice the biblical reference. Does that make me deserving?) LOL!! God loves me? Oh phew! I was worried...NOT!
    posted by Missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm
  438. Rachel,

    "when you christians are so tired of being hypocritical..." You are doing exactly the same thing to Missy! Hahahahaha! She's lost? Really? Didn't you have to judge her to come to that conclusion? You're praying for her? Is she in need of your holy prayers? lol! Think you are superior do you? She's lost but you aren't? lol! What made you found and her lost?
    posted by Becky
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 6:08 pm
  439. I am just curious....isn't it a sin to judge?? It sure sounds like you are brig judgemental about people you know and respect reading this book...some woman of god you are.
    posted by jenny
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm
  440. @Missy...

    I DO care when it comes to people insulting others - I don't care about their views on the the book but to insult another in regards to that is downright nasty behavior to which I will vocalize...So? Why do YOU care? and I think one is more than allowed to post as much as I do....there are not laws or 'scriptures' (if that is what you need) that says you will have a one way ticket to hell for expressing your thoughts 'too' much. I prefer to do it nicely even if they are in excess. ;)
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 7:42 pm
  441. I agree with Rachel again....Praying for you Missy..
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 7:44 pm
  442. Wow I think Becky and Missy may be one in the same person due to the theme of the posts - also by the timing of when Missy posts and Becky's comes in right after. hmmm.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm
  443. I have not read this book, and you don't have to either. However, the fact that other people harmlessly(yes harmlessly) reading a book you don't approve of inspired you to spend all this time and energy preaching and judging and trying to control things beyond your control makes me think you need a life. You should not be trying to turn people against each other based on "the sin" of reading a book. It is not adultry, and bible says many things that are interpreted many different ways.
    posted by KATIE S
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm
  444. Not impressed with your prayers, Sarah and Rachel. And I'm not the one demonstrating a need for validation by scripture.
    That's you people's thing. Are you the same person since you agree with each other? As for Becky, I don't know her from Eve either...nor do I care a flip about her whether she agrees with me or not. That's the difference between us, Sarah. You only claim not to care...I truly demonstrate it. This sure makes for some cheap entertainment. I'm so laughing at you.
    posted by missy
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm
  445. It's a fictional book people! And a good one! If you have not read the book, don't judge! Yes, it's kinky and has a lot of sex in it, but it's a love story, a story about a man who learns to love, be loved and who learns to love himself. I am a Catholic and I go to church with women who are sone of the best people I know, who have read this book, does that make them horrible Catholics? NO, not at all. The women who wrote this post has NO IDEA what she is talking about, and anyone who has commented in a negative way (who hasnt read the book) doesn't either. You all are being very judgmental and that is NOT VERY GOD LIKE!
    posted by Heather
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 8:41 pm
  446. This pretty much runs right up there with book burnings by people who have never read them. It's moments like this that I'm glad I've been given an independent mind to think with.

    Is this top rated fiction? Probably not but it disturbs me that there are people who have never read the book who are so fast to give a run down of the synopsis and tell what the book is about without even having read it. Have I read it? No, but you won't find me telling anyone that they shouldn't read it or that they are damned and a horrible christian for reading it.

    Narrow minded christians do nothing for the rest of us.
    posted by Brandi
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm
  447. Don't JUDGE ME!!! (I would never read this book.)

    Gosh! I feel so frustrated after reading a lot of these comments. Why doesn't YFaith write her own article and not co-opt this one? Except that there are enough pro-50 shades of Grey articles out there, not to mention it being plugged by Dr. Oz.

    Why are the pro book people so easily offended? They take this article as an attack on them, their marriages, and an evil judgment against them. That shows a lack of reading comprehension, if nothing else. The author was expounding upon her reasons for not reading this book. I fully agree with those reasons and was happy to see my opinions reflected eloquently upon the page.

    I did not see any judgment against other people, this was about her own decision. It gets my ire up when people say "stop judging". Next time a hitchhiker sticks his thumb up at me, I guess I'd better let him in my car, lest I judge him as dangerous.

    The written word is very powerful. I read a few books a week! I probably read too much, but at least it's fun and not explicit literature. I used to read a lot of Stephen King books. His genre is not erotica, but quite a few of his books have sex in them, and those things have stuck with me to this day, despite having stopped reading them when I was about 12 or 13 years old. I am now 31! I don't like those images that have stayed with me, and they can come into my mind at the most inconvenient times!

    After reading about fifty comments, I am done! There were some great comments, but the ones who rabidly defend this book, I don't want to read those anymore. For the rest of us, know that no matter what you say, you just can't get through to some people. You can make the most logical, well written case with scripture to back it up, and they will still denounce your work and opinions based upon some flippant reason they have.

    Come on, people! I hate to say it, but are you rationalizing your choice to read this book? That's fine if you want to read it, but hey, don't JUDGE me or the author of this article for not reading it!
    posted by Rebecca C
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm
  448. @ Missy...

    wow really?

    you said::

    That's the difference between us, Sarah. You only claim not to care...I truly demonstrate it. This sure makes for some cheap entertainment. I'm so laughing at you.

    ==
    Since we are both posting....I'm wondering how me 'claiming' it and you 'demonstrating' it differs as this is nothing more than a word exchange. Now THAT is funny.

    It's hardly just Rachel that agrees or me with her. There are many others. I am thinking you are about 16 or 17 and can't engage with that kind of immaturity any longer.

    anyway moving on..
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 10:51 pm
  449. @Rebecca

    The only thing I have gotten upset with was the past jabs at my faith etc because of of my literary choice. I'm not offended by the comments of those that feel it's not for them. Only the ones that insult others by doing so. I don't feel the article itself is any sort of an attack however it's strongly worded so I would expect strongly worded responses that oppose. In addition the author did jump on to try to council a person (who posed) that said they enjoyed the book and felt it spiced their marriage up. That is not for everyone but don't tell them you will pray for them and you feel sorry for them etc....That just pours gasoline on a fire. It comes across as condemning that person for their choice which I can't agree with in a million years. I saw plenty of responses to those that were reading it that came across condescending, etc. If the article helps those offended by erotica to know what is 'in' the book then that is great. Those should steer clear and be warned. But it *is* more than that & some are not put off by erotica & want to voice this...they have just as much as a right without being insulted for doing so or having someone suggest they are not living life as they should. In 50 shades there is a story about the transformation of a person that came from abuse learning to love in a better and healthy way. It is nothing more than an interesting read for most. I never disagreed with the author warning others that would be offended by what is in it. It was the onslaught of insults toward those reading & stating they were enjoying it that got me going. Who cares about that either? Those that oppose this book are giving this book way too much power and great advertisement.

    Things like this statement:

    The written word is very powerful. I read a few books a week! I probably read too much,
    but at least it's fun and not explicit literature.

    ==
    Great! and that works for you. I still read Stephen King (fantastic writer! It's not just about horror or awful things with him either, he also wrote The shawshank redemption which is a top favorite of mine) - basically I read anything I may find of interest. Some things are explicit & I do not censor myself - this is my choice. I can read these things and nothing sticks with me in an uncomfortable way. In fact none of the images of anything I've read in the past have ever came back to haunt or bother me. If it it did, I'd probably censor but that has not happened to me. I am able to take it for what it is and move on. I do realize it's not for everyone but what is considered 'fun' is rather relative. Fun for you is Stephen King for me. If I had to censor or PG all that I read, I would literally not want to read anymore as I would find it boring. The written
    word does not affect all of us in the same manner as each person is different. That would be like stating we are all the same when it comes to choosing clothes, how we live, how we worship, what jobs we have, literary choices, education, what we eat, etc. If those images come into your mind or others and are disturbing, I definitely agree to stay away so I don't think that is trying to get anyone to read the book *nor* do I think others are.

    I feel many that enjoyed the book got defensive after some name calling and various other word exchanges that came across (obviously) as jabs at their faith, etc. That would offend anyone. I'm not sure what you mean about 'getting through to who' either...that's the sort of talk that repels the ones that make their own choices for themselves. Their minds are just stronger than that and find it highly unnecessary for anyone to suggest getting through to them.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 11:07 pm
  450. Amen Dannah! We have the same heart to helping young women make great choices-- and it goes for their moms too! (I wrote Raising a Modern Day Princess which Tru woman caries) In my book Woman of Influence I share how I decide what I watch on TV or read & a simple question I ask myself is "Would I be embarrassed if in the room with me were: my mom, my child (grandchild), my husband, my mentee--- and of course Jesus:)?" Changes what you put in front of your eyes. The other question I ask on literature is, "Would I recommend this plot as a good healthy lifestyle choice?" If not, I don't read it. If I wouldn't recommend the choices the main character makes (especially if the book lacks the REAL LIFE consequences of a bad choice), then I don't read it. With so man great books and 66 books in the Bible, why waste my precious time!?
    www.Love-Wise.com
    posted by Pam Farrel
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 3:47 am
  451. Dannah!
    Thank you for your post! I found you through Little Birdie Blessings. I just finished a book written by a friend of mine of many years. It is her first book! I was excited to hear it was out! I finished the book last night & e-mailed her my opinion last night. We went to Bible College together & she was married to a minister; now divorced. I can see the other side with that relationship as I've know his family for many years also, long before I ever met her. Anyway, her publisher ISN'T one that does the erotic type stuff. But, when I read her book, it left me WARM at times! All that I could think was, "Why did you think it necessary to take it to the EDGE?" She had remarried--her new husband ISN'T a Christian & is into porn, which she DOESN'T like! My thought? What's the difference in his porn & what she wrote? To me, her book was like "foreplay!" "Soft porn, Hard porn," it's all the same to God! At the beginning of the book, she thanked her husband & boys for their support! AND GOD!!!!!! It is AMAZING that a book could show you the crevices of ones heart! I wouldn't let my 17 year old daughter read her book! And I'd be embarrassed if I wrote a book like that & my child read it! Say a prayer for her? I haven't heard back from her since my e-mail last night! I prayed over my e-mail last night & it's in Gods' Hands! Thank you for your post! :)
    http://tladydesigns.blogspot.com/
    posted by Becky Green
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 7:35 am
  452. I find this post and many of these comments to be so hypocritical! If you're not interested in the books fine. But don't hide behind religion and say that God wouldn't approve when I'm willing to bet that most have read both the Twilight series and The Hunger Games series. You people do know that one of the Ten Commandments is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', right? How would God feel about reading material that is aimed at enticing readers through the slaughter of children???? And what about vampires? Think God approves of that? If a piece of fiction is not your interest, then just say that. Don't condemn it by saying "God would not approve". Grow up!
    posted by Lauren M.
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 9:23 am
  453. Philippians 4:8 says "whatever is true, noble, right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - THINK about such things!" I agree that this is a personal choice - what we read, watch, etc...but when something is clearly glorifying a relationship that goes against God's design for sex - within the boundary of marriage - then I have a hard time reconciling that it is okay for me, Christ follower, to read.
    liviandb.blogspot.com
    posted by Donna
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 9:41 am
  454. @Lauren - Well sadly sometimes others like try to rationalize everything they do as 'perfect' or 'good'....I think MOST books have some sort of dynamic to which I would not see myself doing, but I find it most riveting to see what that character would do. I read what I want and what I find interesting. I choose to not be confined based upon scripture or much else. I don't 'limit' my choices to a confined space of what is considered right or wrong via characters in a novel.
    Fictional books are *not* real life so I have the mindset of separating that. As I said before, what is healthy or fun for one person will not be for another. I'm actually not embarrassed about anything I read - erotica, Stephen King, classics, whatever it may be...And the scriptures are getting old since so many contradict others

    Do know I respect anyone else's choice of finding it not to be for them
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 11:39 am
  455. I had never heard of this book before. Thank you for the warning that it is invading our culture with evil wrapped in an appealing layer. As a husband, there is no way I would want my wife to read this.
    http://durtonthebible.wordpress.com/
    posted by Sean Durity
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm
  456. After finding your sight today, through Little Birdie Blessings, I HAD TO sign up for e-mails! I am SO BLESSED to have found this sight! I have been a homemaker for 26 years in October! I am SOOO PLEASED that someone out there has seen a need for this organization! I looked over your site...WOW!!!!! WHAT A BLESSING!!!!!!! You're going in all the directions I have seen a need in!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://tladydesigns.blogspot.com/
    posted by Becky Green
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm
  457. I enjoy reading but I'm very careful about my choices in literature. I'm the same way with movies. Often before I even preview a movie for my children I'll read reviews about it so I know what kind of content it has. King David inspired me when he said, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes.". The quest for purity of thought is endless as there is a constant war for my worship and there is always some compromise of my integrity waiting to captivate my attention. Thank you, Dannah for your wise words of warning. I appreciate them and praise God for people like you.
    amyredding.com
    posted by Amy
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 5:51 pm
  458. This article can't and won't change those who find it ok. Thank you for writing it as I was desperate to find me some like minded women.
    posted by Lianne
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm
  459. Here's another reason (in addition to the excellent reasons you offer...if any other reasons are even necessary!). In Philippians 4, Paul tells us what things to put in our minds "Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think on these things." Here is an interesting fact about the brain. Once you put something into it, it is there permanently. Even if you never pull that memory out, it is still stuck there. The more you retrieve the information, the more powerful that memory becomes. So with so many true, honorable, just, pure, lovely, commendable, excellent and praiseworthy things to put into our mind, why clog it up with dishonorable, unjust, impure, ugly, unworthy, bad, or shameful lies? How does that enable us to bring honor and glory to God?
    Thank you for writing this. Thank you to those of you who have taken the time to share your thoughts.
    posted by Virginia
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 10:57 pm
  460. You have your reasons,,,but that is some funny stuff you are selling.
    posted by steve
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 11:11 pm
  461. I want to assure you that the good lord is with me every day and I thank him for everything that he gives me along the way good and bad. When I read this book series I at first thought that is was purly about a sexual relationship between a man and a woman and had considered not finishing them but a close friend advised me to skim past the sex bits if that’s not what I want to read because the underlying story is so very deep and very relevant to how god would want us to treat others and how he would want us to behave. Yes I did just say that. Yes there is a lot of sex and yes it could have been tamed down but considering what is out there and like someone else on here stated children authors have gone way overboard with what they are allowed to pass off as children’s reading material that the book has relevance. The whole story boils down to a man who comes from a hideous background treaded bad by his mother abused by his mothers pimp sexuality abused by an older woman (it does not go into detail about it but gives you just enough info to understand why he is so messed up) lost alone and headed into the bowls of hell if his life doesn’t change just because of something that happened to him when he was young (happens in real life here people yet we refuse to admit that people are this sick and twisted yet it happens to children all the time and then we wander why some people grow up to do the things they do). This woman that he thinks he will dominate comes into his life and what ends up happening is that she brings him to the light. Yes there is sex but she shows him that your past is just that your past you can choose to let it rule you or you can take the reigns and take your life where you want it to go that what you think is the only way to get and give love is just not true. She is a very strong willed person with the ability to be strong enough for him too, to help bring someone else over to the light but if all you can see is the things that make you feel uncomfortable then how can you ever understand what its like for a child that has been in a similar situation. How can you help them overcome the stuff they have seen heard felt and experienced. The stuff in the book does happen in real life the story is fascinating it has compassion, love, fear, joy, passion, rage, every emotion that in my 37 years seems to make us who we are as human beings. It sings of loss and also of the heart tugging overwhelming joy of what it is like to wholly and truly love someone not for what they have done but for what they can be. Yes I admit I skimmed past most of the sex scenes because it wasn’t about that for me had I have been married I may have felt differently about those parts but after reading this while in deep thought it occurred to me this book is not much different then how Jesus was when he befriended Mary Magdalene no she was not pure but he saw the good in her he saw what possibilities she held. I see it this way if we turn a blind eye to what is out there in this world and act like it doesn’t exists then we are doing the word no good why are you here what is you purpose in life to read history books because your afraid of what fiction might have in it well I can tell you as a history buff that reality is sicker and more twisted then fiction and that if you don’t at least know what is going on around you even if you decide not to partake of it at least know what to keep an eye out for because the uninformed and uneducated are the ones that always end up in the bad situations. I for one want to know what’s going on so then I can be ready to take action I have seen and dealt with children that came from these situations and until I was educated about what went on I didn’t have the compassion to understand the depths of their grave situation. I hated the stuff I found out and I cried for days knowing that this world is that twisted but my conscience wouldn’t allow me to look away just because there are horrible people out there doesn’t mean that I can understand and educate myself so that when facing a situation like this I’m not overwhelmed and I am able to throw myself in head first to be of some use to be the ear the helping hand and hug when all hope seams lost. So if you can understand and cant bring yourself to read and get past the unpleasant parts to get to the underlying meaning of the story I dearly hope that your not faced with having to let the rape victim talk about what happened to her in detail in order to move forward or the child of incest get it all off their chest what was done to them in order to let go and have a meaningful life going forward because this does happen and they need an outlet for those emotions and if you cant relate then your not doing any good to anyone.
    posted by shart
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 11:39 pm
  462. Ignorance is not bliss it is just that ignorance. If we do not educate ourselves and make rational decisions based on what we know to be right and true then how will we know if we are headed down the correct path. Do not judge others by what you preserve to be the truth for the truth will one day be given to you and on that day you will be measured and tried and you may find yourself wanting.
    Thant is all good day!
    posted by sheyane
    on Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 11:49 pm
  463. Thank you for taking the time to inform those of us who did not know. I love to read and had read somewhere that it was a good book but didn't look into it. Because of this I will not be reading it!!! As a writer I am ashamed that some one would write something like that!!! God bless you and your family.
    posted by Christabel Darcey
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 12:58 am
  464. Whether the character is romantic or not, these people were not married before entering into this sexual agreement/relationship. That's what bothers me more than anything. If two people who are married to eachother want to explore and try new and exciting sexual encounters with eachother, then that's okay...that's what God designed sex for! But if my husband wanted to physically hurt me while having sex, that's where I would draw the line. Someone posted earlier about how the main character was a 21 year old virgin and that she should be praised for "waiting that long." Well, I would agree with that statement if the two characters had met, fell in love, dated, got married, and then had sex with eachother...again, that's how God designed it! Realizing this is just a fictional novel, Grey's psychological and emotional issues probably needed to be dealt with in counseling, not by physically dominating over another human being. I would not want my husband reading a book like this and getting aroused by images of other people having sex, and I doubt he would want me to do the same. I have a marriage to protect, and a God to answer to, and the idea of reading this book makes me uncomfortable. I am not here to judge anyone, and I have alot of friends and clients who have read the series...I am just choosing not to join the masses :)
    posted by M. Poole
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 7:53 am
  465. Luke 8:9-14

    9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    I know that Philippians 4:8 says:

    8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    But the next verse says:

    9Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

    That second verse, read remembering that Jesus was angrier with the Pharisees than anyone else, would seem to suggest that whatever is true, honest, just, pure, lovely and of good report, is so primarily in attitude and secondarily in action (though the two are rarely separate).

    A warning about "50 Shades" is no doubt very helpful and maybe necessary, but for God's sake, pair it with a little humility and generosity of spirit.
    posted by Andy B.
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 10:46 am
  466. This is your opinion which you have a right to, what you do not have a right to is to speak for the Lord. To make Christian women feel as though they have sinned by reading a book is simply ridiculous. I am a Christian and I read this book. I trust I will still be in God's good graces. I imagine your facts of erotica on the brain is about as well researched as your opinion on this book. I could easily reference magazine articles saying the opposite. It seems to support your idea, you used the same sensationalism that made this book popular. Magazine articles write whatever sells. Self and The NewYorker are simply not adequate sources for medical information. Like someone who hasnt read a book isnt a reliable source for what is in it. I equate this to atheist spouting off about the bible, a book many misquote and misunderstand without having read it. To limit yourself to literature that your husband can live up to is a joke for all of us. Women often day dream about the romance found in literature is that robbing us too? Or are we just ruining our marriages?
    In sumation shame on you for making your seventy year old trusted friend feel bad about her interest in this book. I think women are capable of making moral decisions without being made to feel ashamed. IT IS JUST A BOOK!
    The world for a Christian women is no longer black and white. In order to stay plugged into the world and make a change it is important to embrace the world's Fifty Shades of Grey.
    posted by bennett
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 12:25 pm
  467. Furthermore women who rely on posting what they're not doing to support their beliefs are a little sad. Get out there and be proactive. I define being a Christian by what I do not by what I don't do.
    posted by bennett
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm
  468. @Bennett...Oh how much I agree. I do feel as if there is much shaming when it comes to those who enjoy it. If someone feels compelled to make the choice for themselves then fine. But to generalize by saying Jesus or the Lord would not approve and to suggest that those who do read what they please are taking part in something to which they will be held accountable for is flat out wrong. I love how you say to get out and be proactive b/c it is about what you do. Any person on here has had what would be considered to be an impure thought by another at some point in time - instead of trying to make others feel bad about themselves, why not practice understanding differences and spreading positivity?
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 2:10 pm
  469. Furthermore women who rely on posting what they're not doing to support their beliefs are a little sad. Get out there and be proactive. I define being a Christian by what I do not by what I don't do.
    posted by bennett
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm
  470. I haven't read through this entire page of comments, but the ones I have read are so unbelievably offensive. Are you all suggesting that only Christians can be moral human beings?? I'm not a Christian, but I'm as morally upstanding as any of you commenters. That kind of attitude is what keeps this world divided and antagonistic. It makes me angry and sad.
    posted by Kathy Thielepappe
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 5:32 pm
  471. Hello...I have never heard of this book before today but find your commentary very enlightening. I think that as Christains we are constantly challenged with these grey areas" excuse the pun".

    Although I dont think we we should eliminate ALL fiction I do think we should limit our reading those things that are edifiying our minds. This book obviously falls outside of those guidelines.

    Struggling with porn weather it's on tv, Internet or print isn't just a "male" problem, or even a "single" person problem. this topic and others like it should be discussed in these types of circles more often. Far too often no one says anything which some people take as a stamp of approval...which (in my humble opinion) explains why some Christain women participate in reading these types of books or allow their husbands to look at porn. Not saying anything because you don't want to say the wrong thing many times is more damaging, especially in situations like these.

    Dannah, thank you for starting the conversation...at very least it has caused us to pause and think about what we are reading. Also, can you post the link to the article you commented on about the effects of pornography and self pleasure on the brain. I would love to read up on that a little more.

    Thank you
    posted by Ursala
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm
  472. This is funny. Freedom of speech is funny.

    I don't think "mommy porn" is good by any means, but neither is "mommy negatively-blog-commenting".

    Maybe we should all work full-time, and not read mommy porn or sit at home and blog or comment on blogs...

    The Lord calls us to work and provide for our family. Did he really call you to get involved in this? Or are these your feelings???
    posted by Carrie
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 6:16 pm
  473. Read it, Loved it!! Sorry that some of you have chosen not to read it because of the somewhat graphic content. I read lots of things from murder mystery to books like "The Shack", I enjoy them all equally. I don't think you are a bad person, or a religious nut because you choose not to read it. That is for you to decide what is best for you. What I do find very disturbing is that you write a blog to try to get other christian woman to follow you. This should be a choice for the individual person to make for themselves without worry of how her fellow christian friends will judge her. Books don't make you sin, you choose to sin or to not sin. I respect all of you that made the decision not to read the book before you read this blog. Those of you who made that choice after you read this blog shame on you for not being adult enough to make that choice all by yourself. I also applaud those of you who opened your mind up and read the book, for the story line, that in the end love conquered all ......is truly wonderful.
    posted by Sherry
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 6:22 pm
  474. I decided not to read these books because of the warning given in this blog. I will never be ashamed of that. No matter who says to me "shame on you for not being adult enough to make that choice". You see... I DID make that choice. And I made it for myself. I have not compromised my adult hood in the least. Valuing the opinions of others trusted for their wisdom and intent to love and help does not compromise your worth or maturity. I would suggest being unteachable or hard heartedly obstinate would be the more shameful situation. I would never assess someone else to be such...but I can guard my own heart against such a situation by being wise and humble enough to accept a warning from someone who means well.
    posted by Kev
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 6:50 pm
  475. Matt. 12:36"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,"

    Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

    Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
    posted by Mari
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 7:12 pm
  476. Proverbs 13:10 "By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom."
    posted by Kev
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 7:59 pm
  477. Proverbs 11:14 "Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."
    posted by Kev
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 8:09 pm
  478. Read it, Loved it!! Sorry that some of you have chosen not to read it because of the somewhat graphic content. I read lots of things from murder mystery to books like "The Shack", I enjoy them all equally. I don't think you are a bad person, or a religious nut because you choose not to read it. That is for you to decide what is best for you. What I do find very disturbing is that you write a blog to try to get other christian woman to follow you. This should be a choice for the individual person to make for themselves without worry of how her fellow christian friends will judge her. Books don't make you sin, you choose to sin or to not sin. I respect all of you that made the decision not to read the book before you read this blog. Those of you who made that choice after you read this blog shame on you for not being adult enough to make that choice all by yourself. I also applaud those of you who opened your mind up and read the book, for the story line, that in the end love conquered all ......is truly wonderful.
    posted by Sherry
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 9:21 pm
  479. Great article!! Thanks for posting!! I posted a link to my FB page and it has become quite a controversy. Hopefully it will speak to someone and they will see the truth :)
    posted by Kait
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm
  480. Wow, I'm floored by the hypocrisy and self-righteousness I'm seeing here. If you don't want to read the book, don't read it! But quit being so judgmental about others who choose to read it. No one is going out and having a sado-masochistic affair because of this book. It's a little harmless fun and added some spice to my marriage. There is absolutely no harm in that.
    posted by Kathy Thielepappe
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 11:16 pm
  481. It's a book. If you are an adult, you can decide if it's something you want to read. If you are a Christian, you should not be judging those choosing to read it.

    Your personal journey with Christ is just that, personal. To assume the choices of others is causing them some harm or praying for them for their choice is being judgemental.

    Walk your walk, let others walk theirs. If you think it will bring about your demise, don't read it. I haven't read the books and don't feel the need to. I've never been into the romance genre. Will my reads of military units killing terrorists or science fiction bring about my moral demise by putting images of death or unBiblical images in my head? I suppose if I were an unstable person it could. It's important to know the line between truth and fiction.

    Things only hold as much importance as you give them. It's just a book.
    posted by Christian Believer
    on Friday, June 8, 2012 at 11:53 pm
  482. The more I read the comments here, the more I feel I need to come back & comment more! For those of you who don't like what's being said about this book, why are you even here? But to be disagreeable? I know the thing everyone always says, that they don't like a list of "don'ts." Well, would you rather go ahead & jump into a pond to find out AFTER-THE-FACT that the pond was full of man eating fish? I think NOT! I think you'd sue, IF you survived! MANY of us, prefer to have the WARNING SIGN posted! So, we don't loose a limb or our lives! Thank you for posting this warning Dannah!
    http://tladydesigns.blogspot.com/
    posted by Becky Green
    on Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 10:46 am
  483. I have read these books....currently on book 2 and can't wait to delve into book 3. My husband and I have a fabulous sex life and while reading these books.....the sex that is in there, makes me think of my husband, not lust after another man. In fact, I'd like my husband to read these books too! I am a Christian woman and well, am disturbed by women who are "afraid" to have any sexual desires at all. My husband and I have a very strong marriage and have been married for 11 years....nothing wrong with bringing a little spice to the bedroom. Of course, if you do not want to read them, then don't.....just don't come down hard on others that do. Of course teenagers shouldn't read this...it's only meant for adults.....and personally, married adults should only read this. I saw this on a friends facebook page which is what brought me here....I love how people say "I am not reading this book" yet, love to comment! I do love the portrayal of Grey in this book....The man's role should be one of respect, caring, loving, and control. I know my husband is and I love him for it! Makes me feel wanted, needed, loved, supported, and well taken care of. Ana's character in the book is receiving all of this plus helping him get past so many hurtful issues in his life. Truly...it's a fantastic read.
    posted by Michelle
    on Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 1:36 pm
  484. I would hardly compare the book to a pond or better yet a lake of man eating fish...the comparison is so extreme that I cracked up! we who support the book have right to be here as much as anyone.......
    posted by Sarah who is reading the book
    on Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm
  485. Proverbs 13:10 "By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom."

    Thanks for the verse, kev! So fitting! Thanks for the advice and encouragement, Dannah.
    posted by Hannah
    on Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 11:52 pm
  486. Excellent explanation of why not to read this book. I am saddened by all of the women - even within the Church - who have fallen prey to this form of pornography. I have shared and will continue to share your post.
    www.theorganizedwife.wordpress.com
    posted by Heather
    on Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm
  487. I want to start by saying the topic of this book does not interest me. I do think however if other people enjoy reading the book there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone is different and enjoys different things. They like different kinds of food, different kinds of movies, and even different kinds of sex. If it is not something that interests you that's great you know yourself so well, but don't judge other people that do. Don't "feel sorry for them". Don't feel anything because its just a book they liked that you didn't and that's all. Live and let live.
    posted by Jimmy
    on Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 9:38 pm
  488. @Heather - Oh please don't feel saddened for me..that's just ridiculous....I guess on that note, I feel saddened by those who choose to live within an impossible means. I was at the pool today and laughed when I saw about 3 different women loungng and opening reading it ...wow! popular book - I'll say it again...with some of the statements in regards to other people, those that oppose this book are giving it so much power. I agree with Jimmy....focus on yourselves and feel happy in your own life..not 'saddended' by anothers due to differences in opinions. If anything that is sad within itself.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 10:15 pm
  489. Luke 1:37 "For nothing will be impossible with God.”

    Matthew 19:26 "Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

    Jeremiah 32:17 "Ah, Sovereign LORD, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you."

    For those who seek to live a holy life there is no such thing as "living within an impossible means". For those who have chosen to trust God and the power Jesus gave them to be overcomers of evil, keep trusting, speaking, encouraging, promoting peace and love...all that seems impossible! Because you have been given the Spirit of God to overcome. It isn't impossible when Jesus is involved. :)
    posted by Hannah
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 12:10 am
  490. On Saturday I posted a blog titled Anguished Heart (http://www.quiet-reflections.com/2012/06/anguished-heart.html) and this post here is a good example of why, as women who desire to "be holy as He is holy" should not read this book or any other book considered "soft porn" or "candy porn".

    I cry out with Jeremiah in chapter 8 verses 18-22…

    “My sorrow is beyond healing, My heart is faint within me!Behold, listen! The cry of the daughter of my people from a distant land: "Is the LORD not in Zion? Is her King not within her?" "Why have they provoked Me with their graven images, with foreign idols?" "Harvest is past, summer is ended, And we are not saved." For the brokenness of the daughter of my people I am broken; I mourn, dismay has taken hold of me. Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then has not the health of the daughter of my people been restored?”
    www.quiet-reflections.com
    posted by Sharon
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 9:03 am
  491. @Hannah - Of course there is such a thing as trying to live
    up to the impossible - that is because of the tons of contradictions in the Bible, (including Old Testament vs new) the questions of what is impure, what is not but more importantly? The scrutiny of human beings onto other human beings that claim they live perfect holy lives & 'they' have the answers to which is laughable at best. No human can judge me out of what they perceive. I have only one judge the last I checked. That being is not human.

    It is about what you do. You can't control every 'thought'..how completely obtuse to suggest such a thing. I can bet at any point in time about every person has had a thought that didn't bode well with the 7 deadly sins whether it was gluttony, pride, sloth, etc. And I'm not talking extreme. A soda or a candy bar could be considered giving into gluttony by some people - so is that impure? What about if I skip laundry today? Did I give into sloth? I'm wearing makeup. uh oh...Pride? I was angry earlier due to a conflict of interests with another person...would that be that wrath? I sure did like a boat a friend of mine and wished for a moment I had one as well - oops..was that envy? At Christmas, sometimes we all get or give well above what we should and do not give enough to charities - would that be greed? Some may condemn you to any one of those based upon what they feel coincides with that particular sin and feel 'sorry' for you as they feel you are living less than a holy life. How does it feel to be under such scrutiny?

    You see..with humans it's all subjective and out of conjecture at times - you should DO the best you can. BE caring. BE Kind. BE generous with your words or time or any means you may have. BE gracious toward others. BE sympathetic even when you can't be completely empathetic to another persons plight. BE a good person. If you want to know how Jesus is reflected through us, it's when we as human beings exercise compassion & kindness toward our fellow mankind through our actions. THAT is what he taught first and foremost. I hardly feel Jesus would feel condemning over a literary selection to which is subjective would be putting any of those actions into place. Sure, warn other Christians of why you would choose to stay away yet understand that many may not see it as you do nor perceive themselves as unholy as a result. Jesus is forgiving and He taught by **not** sounding self righteous. Let's not forget the company Jesus did keep and how he went about spreading the word of God. It was the self righteous (HUMANS) who felt Jesus was not leading as God would see fit and thus had him nailed to a cross for what they saw as betrayal - And still....Jesus forgave us before God would destroy us all..

    I sure am glad in this day and time, no one can nail another to a cross although the negative words toward others can seem that way figuratively speaking.

    Read this ::

    The Pharisees charged that Jesus was "a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners" (Luke 7:34). Even though Jesus belonged to the middle class, he reached out to people of the lower class. On one occasion Jesus said to some religious leaders in Jerusalem, "The tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you" (Matthew 21:31).

    It's not hard to see why the Pharisees and others were upset that Jesus had table fellowship with people who were morally questionable. These individuals were profiting by disobeying the command of God and betraying their own people. They were what the Old Testament calls the wicked, unworthy to be part of the people of God.

    Now, if Jesus had fellowship with tax collectors and sinners in order to preach to them, the Pharisees would not have fussed. After all, who would have objected that tax collectors and sinners were forsaking their sinful lifestyle, making restitution, and seeking a life of righteousness? The Pharisees believed that God offered forgiveness when sinners repented. They could even rejoice that a wretched sinner saw the light and was converted from a life of debauchery.

    But what infuriated the Pharisees was that Jesus was not explicitly or directly asking tax collectors and sinners to do any of this. Some of them no doubt did repent, such as Levi (Luke 5:28). But Jesus seems to have accepted them as they were and was freely having dinner with them without requiring that they first clean up their lives.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 1:54 pm
  492. @sarah, some of your arguments are so flawed I hardly know where to begin. You don't come across as someone teachable ( I do not mean that to be an insult. I simply think you have a strong mindset that is typically not easily influenced by the advice or counsel of others based on what I've seen of your posts here. This could be a strength for you and the body of Christ if it were utilized well) I am not sure my words wouldn't be waisted on you at this time. If however you are actually interested in my answers to your plethera of questions I will attempt to share my perspective. If you are not interested then I'll keep my reply shorter.

    I believe our foundations are different at the core and that may be from where the judgement you may be perceiving is coming. While I agree that there is an impossibility in being holy I believe the bible completely in what it says in the verses above in my last post. That puts an end to any argument within me simply because I believe. But you have said that you believe there are contradictions in the bible and that, I believe, is what has hindered your understanding. I have taken in faith the words I believe are God's Words. You haven't come to that point yet. If we do not agree on that basis...there will not be agreement in most things, especially in matters of holiness. I know you do not like to have others judge you or condemn you or imply that you need prayer. But the simple truth is...you do need prayer. You need understanding. You need wisdom. But again, these statements are not accusatory. We are all in need of those things. I wish I could find a way to communicate with you so that you would not take offense over my words and so that the hostility you feel toward those of us who are bold in our faith in God's word would be appeased.

    My desire in this conversation is to be patient and loving and forthright without compromising my faith or misrepresenting God. I know you feel no one has a right to judge you. But if you are indeed a believer, then you are subject to the judgement of the rest of the body of Christ. That may not feel very comfortable but it is the way it is. Your words and actions are to be judged according to God's word...the truth. Your representation of your thoughts and feelings that you have shared here on this blog leave me and others to believe that your understanding is not correct. That is the result of your foundation being wrong. When you have your foundation straight the rest of the building of your faith will be right...and unshakeable. I am praying this will happen for you. Not because I am better and have "arrived" in my own worth and strength but because I have seen that God's ways are so much higher than our own. I am thankful I can rest in HIS words rather than my own arguments.

    There is a standard of holiness God says we are to choose (after we've believed). That standard includes avoiding things like this book. I say that humbly and with much thanksgiving for the power to resist things like this in the Name of Jesus! This book is not a Godly book. I will never encourage someone to read such an unholy thing. I will never say it is a Godly choice as a believer to do so. From what I've seen in this blog, those who have spoken out against it's reading are adhering to a Godly standard of holiness that is only accomplished by faith in God's word and the Spirit of God within us teaching us to say, "no" to unGodliness.
    posted by Hannah
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm
  493. @Hannah

    Well I guess we agree on some things. I don't feel you are teachable either - In addition I feel your arguments are equally as flawed. So we have that.

    I didn't really have any questions..I was outlining my point of view to which I stick with. The Bible has a lot of contradictions...you should check this out : (it's rather funny to boot)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

    It's quite presumptuous to state I haven't come to any sort of point or conclusion in my beliefs because the conversation is not questioning my 'beliefs'..that is rock solid & the book is the topic. But ....sigh... I would expect no less of a comment at this point. It's all some are capable of rather than actually addressing some of the very valid points I made on subjective condemnation. Key word..subjective. Therefore any judgment by other 'humans' is null and void to me. (Especially on the internet no less lol!)

    Besides..Who would make you the authority of that? Has God (with reasons unbeknownst) marked you as the next coming of Jesus to spread your interpretation of his word? *Or* is it based on your faith to which you perceive as the most grandiose alone to which again is based off ...conjecture. It seems when your views are challenged a bit, there is some sort of feeling of indignation that seems to surface. If you were so concrete in your beliefs, you would not feel the need discard mine since you are so..unwavering? It does lead one to wonder after all :) - Just know I never proclaimed once that I had the answers as I have the realization that no human can. I can only speak for myself and if my decisions sadden anyone or cause them to break out in prayer...well I guess that is what they feel they must do. My post was a response...it was not opening anything up to warrant your prayers but hey...if it makes you feel better, by all means....what could it hurt, right? I will say one for you to...I mean you are so kind so it's only fair. But regardless, I make my own 'literary choices' (as this is what this is about) and choose to live with an open mind. Thankfully my mind is very strong to which nothing I read will lead me astray; As in committing adultery or murder or allowing my mind to become injected with disturbing images frozen to which I can't escape. I guess that is the perks of a strong mind. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 10:47 pm
  494. Proverbs 13:10 "By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom."
    posted by Kev
    on Monday, June 11, 2012 at 11:00 pm
  495. I like the origional blog post. That is truly what we are talking about. I agree with Dannah. I will not be reading these books. I love Jesus more. I love the Word of Truth more. I also agree with so many here who have attempted to bring Godly wisdom to the forfront. The truth is not subjective. It is what it is...the Truth. It does not yield itself to the will of man nor does it bow to the insolence of those who reject it. There are not two different kinds of Christians. There is only one Christ. Those who follow Christ (who is himself the Word of God in flesh) hear his voice and follow his will. They are the children of God and are told in His word to reject the wisdom of the world and all it's vices. I counsel anyone who has been tempted to embrace the poor and insufficient knowledge of 'Sarah who is reading this book' to believe in the Word of God and ask Him for understanding and wisdom. Ask the God Who Is, in the name of Jesus His Son to open your eyes to the truth and to bind the Evil one from clouding your mind with confusion. Those of us who know this truth, keep standing strong in our faith and proclaiming the Truth.

    Remember, the world will reject you and your message as we've seen here on this blog. There will be many who reject the Truth. There are many who would mask their evil counsel with words that resemble a form of godliness but in the end they lack the power to save or edify. Leave these people to God to deal with. We do not need to be their personal "Holy Spirit". Their own conscience and the Holy Spirit Himself will be sufficient to open their eyes. Yes, pray for them. Yes, speak truth without yielding. But don't feel you can win their minds over to sound reasoning. They are spritually blind and simply cannot understand that phrase. They only become hostile to it and make that their platform to detract the attention of anyone who would be swayed. This is an age old tactic used by Satan to undermine the faith and wisdom of those who would be saved...those who would make a stand for holiness. He will not win. No matter how many decenting blog posters he inspires. Thank you, Dannah. Thank you family of God. There truly is wisdom in the counsel of many Godly people. You will know the Truth and the truth will set you free. Cling to it! Follow it! Do not shrink back. :)
    posted by Mari
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:02 am
  496. Hannah, You write and reason like one who has been soundly taught and has embraced wisdom. Keep the Faith, Sister. I don't know you but you make me proud.

    p.s. Are you married? Cause you seem like a woman worth persuing. (jk) lol!
    posted by kev
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:08 am
  497. WHOA! There is a lot of misunderstanding going on here. I never saw anyone trying to rip anyone elses truth away!! Unbelievable! For those that claim they are spreading 'the truth' and solid in their faith, they sure have a wicked way of going about it that has me questioning so so much. This is so sad and pathetic!!!! I don't understand why those that claim to be soooooo Christian behave in this manner and I don't get why any care if another reads this book???? If you don't want to read it then FINE! NO ONE CARES and no one is satan or whatever over a stupid book. If you can't see how INSANE you sound then I just don't know what to say except I feel sorry for you! What you consider YOUR TRUTH IS YOURS AND FOR ANOTHER IT'S THEIR OWN! GET OVER YOURSELVES! YOU ARE NOT NOR ARE YOU CLOSE TO BEING GODLY WITH SUCH TERRIBLE BEHAVIOR! SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO SHOVE YOUR VIEWS DOWN ANOTHER PERSON THROAT!!! AND for the record I'm reading the book too and I'M NOT GOING TO HELL FOR IT! Unreal!!!!!!!!
    posted by Tiffany
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:22 am
  498. And for the record I read all the way up above. Its funny that Sarah gets picked out by Mari. I did not know why but I thought about it. Her post was the most intelligent sounding and it didn't suggest any person was wrong. She was defending herself. So those that claim they are better feel the need to bust on her because of their own insecurities I bet!!! Again UNREAL! AND Pathetic!!!!! Sarah I 110% AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAID AND LOVE THE POINTS ON THE 7 SINS! It was said more tastefully as well and did not insult anyone! GOOD FOR YOU! WAY TO RISE ABOVE IT!
    posted by Tiffany
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:31 am
  499. And Sarah YES! it is about what you DO!! I like this part you said :

    You see..with humans it's all subjective and out of conjecture at times - you should DO the best you can. BE caring. BE Kind. BE generous with your words or time or any means you may have. BE gracious toward others. BE sympathetic even when you can't be completely empathetic to another persons plight. BE a good person. If you want to know how Jesus is reflected through us, it's when we as human beings exercise compassion & kindness toward our fellow mankind through our actions. THAT is what he taught first and foremost.
    posted by Tiffany
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:36 am
  500. Um...no one is shoving their views. They are typing them...and you are willingly reading them. BIG difference. @Mari, WELL SAID! I'm in total agreement. @ Kev, you totally cracked me up with your last comment! lol!

    Keep the True Faith! Preach it! :)
    posted by Aimee
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:53 am
  501. "It’s not just that this book misuses sex, it redefines it into something evil as the lead character dominates in a hurtful manner. How woman can enjoy that, I can’t understand!"

    That is my feeling exactly. I have not read the book, but have read articles about the book and am disgusted that so many women would like a book like this.
    www.ourniftynotebook.blogspot.com
    posted by Jenny
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 1:23 am
  502. Well I am reading this series and love it. I'm on book 2 and for those of us reading, there is much more than a dominating partner...it's a story, just fiction. It is not redefining sex either. It pretty much makes it clear the guy doesn't know how to love bc of past abuse if you bothered to read it though I don't think a person should if it makes them uncomfortable. So onward with the debate...I'm just eating popcorn and reading this book
    posted by Emily
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 2:02 am
  503. I'm glad our culture is talking about this issue. Soft porn and "romantic" novels are a quiet sin that is so common and whitewashed in our culture that it is hard to avoid, and even harder to see the "problem" when you are in the midst of it. I still remember scenes from books I read as a teen and young adult although I recognized them as addictive for me and quit reading them 12 years ago. I was very much involved in a social group that used sadomasichism as an entertainment- many of my friends had been sexually abused-- but the SM did not heal them, it became a way to scratch the itch of self abuse and unintentionally spread it to others. The trouble with sex in books is that it is NOT REAL. Would you observe your friend's love life the way you observe these characters? Do you feel the rise of passion in your own body when you read it? Does the experience teach you to desire the less than perfect affection of your spouse or to long for a dream of a dream and a feeling of arousal that reality cannot supply. Ultimately, I want Truth for myself and in my marriage, and erotica- however mainstream or well written-- will not get me there.
    posted by megan
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 6:35 am
  504. @Kev, lol! My husband and I had a good chuckle over your last comment! Thanks for your humor. I truly appreciate your encouragement. I got about a paragraph into the last comment of 'Sarah who is reading' and had to stop simply because her reasoning is so convoluted and she made it clear she's not interested in a reply to her questions. I will not only not waste my words answering foolishness but I won't be wasting my time reading it...which brings us back to Dannah's post. I support her and all others who make that stand for purity of thought and mind. @mari, my husband thought what you wrote was excellent and said, " There's someone I would want on the deacon's board!". Your post was very well written and full of wisdom. Loved it.
    posted by Hannah
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 9:52 am
  505. LOL - well I usually only read biographies but after seeing what a brew haha you bible thumpers are having, I'm gonna crack me open a copy. Go stick your heads back in the bible and continue NOT thinking for your self why the rest of us enjoy life.
    posted by tKnight
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 10:17 am
  506. What fellowship does light have with darkness? I'll not be entertained by this novel either. Never have pushed my faith on anyone else but I'll also not be shamed into silence about what I believe! I'm standing up for my faith! I'm being vocal about what God has said about wickedness. I'm also being vocal and encouraging other women and men of the Faith to avoid unwholesome literature like this. What fellowship does darkness have with light? A man will reap what he sows.
    posted by Marrissa
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 10:52 am
  507. It's a freaking BOOK!!!! That's ALL!!!! Get a freaking LIFE!!!!
    posted by victoria
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm
  508. Psalm 94:11 "The LORD knows the thoughts of man; he knows that they are futile."

    God says how it is...I obey. No need to over think something as clear as this. Wrong is wrong...because God says so. I believe this book is unworthy of my attention. I'll set no unclean thing before my eyes. I'll not intentionally be foolish.
    posted by Bev
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm
  509. @Hannah

    Wow I must have made quite the impression! My name is mentioned so much it's almost flattering had it been under different circumstances! I guess the more thought provoking ones have this sort of an influence.

    Yes yes! I did say I wasn't looking to get into any sort of debate over faith....I just made my own thoughts clear in a posting and I respect your opinions even if you feel my reasoning is convoluted. Hey...free world! My husband read part of this and said 'what a bunch of nut jobs, why do you keep posting'..lol. Now that's a good question.

    What Mari said should pique the interest of anyone reading. She states those that are spiritually blind (referring to me I'm sure since it was after my postings) and further goes on about becoming hostile (umm not hostile) and making it a platform as an age old tactic used by Satan. Now isn't that fascinating? I express an opinion and that is referred to as a tactic by Satan? That is one of the most ludicrous and unintelligible things I've ever read.

    My message is to simply make up your own mind free of
    any 'humans' input and not to be swayed by their virtual throwing of stones. I sure hope that individuals can discern what is best for them without being clouded or influenced by anyone's input. You are free to decide what is best for you and it does not make you 'unholy' by any faceless being on the internet. Your relationship with God is your own simply put. And for those who decided it was best not to read it? I don't think I have ever said anything against that choice either. If the book is too harsh in your view with certain scenes regardless of the story (by reviews of others that are like minded) I would encourage you to do what is best for you as well. If that is Satan's message then I would think I'm quite the let down LOL! I would implore that each person should look within themselves and do what is best for them. My only grievance (and sadness) is with those that feel the need to shame others when it doesn't fall in line with their views. (referring to a person as Satan would fall under that in case there is confusion)

    "Do not judge others just because they Sin different than you"

    (This was on a Church billboard - Had to smile at that)
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm
  510. @Hannah

    Adding on, You didn't answer any question I posted although I did post it as a reply. You keep alluding to the fact that you tried? You used my reply to preach to me on how you feel I am less than holy.

    When exactly did you answer any question I had? I read mostly statements such as these :

    ===

    @sarah, some of your arguments are so flawed I hardly know where to begin. You don't come across as someone teachable

    Your representation of your thoughts and feelings that you have shared here on this blog leave me and others to believe that your understanding is not correct. That is the result of your foundation being wrong

    ==

    You and I also differ in how we respond or 'address' questions. I could never respond to someone in that way. It comes across as highly disrespectful
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm
  511. I love the book and God.
    The Bible states: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
    Everyone interprets the Bible differently. This passage could easily suggest that the wife shall submit to her husband in the bedroom as well. If you don't want to read the book, then don't read it....but don't judge others and call them sinners because they do read it.
    posted by Shelby
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm
  512. @Sarah, I see you've posted twice to me. Don't waste your finger energy on me. I've decided not to read your posts as. You know why.
    posted by Hannah
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm
  513. I see reading comprehension is still the challenge here.
    posted by Kev
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm
  514. I don't quite understand something - can anyone show me a verse in the Bible that says all humans are supposed to have sex in the missionary position only? My husband was not a virgin when we met & he has introduced me to varying degrees of pleasure from sex. This book series does delve into a much deeper sexual content than I would choose to embark upon, but it has triggered some ideas for me. Basically, God says to watch what goes in your ears & eyes b/c it comes out of your mouth & enters your thoughts. Everyone has their own tolerance for this type of thing. I have a friend who has been around people cursing her whole life & has never uttered one curse word. I have another friend who will not drink a glass of wine b/c she is afraid her Christian friends will say something to her about it. And I guess if the extent of sex in this book offends you - don't read it. So, basically, I will not say this post is wrong b/c this is how her relationship with God makes her feel. That doesn't mean that I am wrong for reading it & deciding that I would like to try being tied up with a silk neck tie and blindfolded with my husband. In my own faith, I do not believe that experimenting a little with exotic sex with your husband is going to trump my salvation & send me to hell. I love my God, I love my husband, I love my marriage and yes, I read all 3 books. I know what it feels like to be convicted by God when I've done wrong & I did not feel convicted about this. God knows our hearts. I applaud you for standing up for your beliefs & convictions. I hope that even though my convictions are not the same yours, you would applaud me for standing up for mine.
    posted by Jenny R
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm
  515. @Jenny..well said and I completely agree with you.
    It is unfortunate that some will feel that we all must be sheep and any deviance from ones created flock is most intimidating to which the virtual stones will come out flying....Beware. :/
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm
  516. I've read through some of the posts here, mostly those at the beginning and toward the end. It seems like those who speak out against reading this book are being harrassed by those who want them to keep their opinions to themselves. But no one is forcing anyone to read this blog to my knowledge. If you don't want to read about other's views there is a little x that will close the page for you.

    Thanks for all the warnings and encouraging words. Not one has come across as angry or out of line. The only ones that come across that way are from the new who don't agree with the author, Dannah in the beginning of this blog. It is a good thing to sound the alarm when bad things are being spoken of as good things. Keep up the good work for the Good Cause. Be blessed!
    posted by Kay
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm
  517. My post says, "the new". It should say, "those who" .
    posted by Kay
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm
  518. Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter"

    Thank you for this word of wisdom, Dannah. It is a good thing. I'll not be reading material like this, nor will I encourage others to do so. It is a bad thing.
    posted by K.B.
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 4:09 pm
  519. @Kay..

    I fully understand why some would not want to read it. I get that & never condemned them for their choice in this. There are people very disturbed by reading anything explicit when it comes to things of a sexual nature. With that said, I also think it's fine to warn others who are like minded and from there, they should make up their own minds on it. My perception has been that those who are reading the book are referred to as being less than holy in direct & indirect ways, 'prayed for'..felt saddened for and many things to which suggest they are less than good Christians for doing so. This is very wrong in my view and I'm not alone with this opinion. If you want examples in those posts, I can provide them. My point is to respect all viewpoints...very simple. As for clicking the 'x' on the page, we all have a right to express our opinions and you as well can click the x as much as I can.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm
  520. That wasn't peaceable, Sarah who is reading 50 shades. Your posts are not nice. They're mean and divisive.
    posted by Benjamin B.
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm
  521. Shoot. please benjamin. Her posts give it back as much as they try to hand it to her. I admire that. Things said to her were not nice at times. Maybe she retaliated some as a result but whatever. if u can dish it out expect something in return. I feel most of the responses to her are not of any Christian behavior Id approve of. at least she says to each there own unlike the others who want to say she is less than that. id choose to listen to her over any of the other ones. its done with so much more taste. dont call me names for my thoughts thx
    posted by Renee
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm
  522. Thanks for your word, Dannah. I'll not be reading this kind of thing either. Not good for the soul, for sure. I choose to be "be holy"...who's I'm able to do through the name of Jesus. I'll not be compromising either.
    posted by Grace
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm
  523. It blesses me that so many would care about my spiritual health so much that they have taken the time to share their insight into this sort of thing. I'm new to faith and haven't yet learned to be as discerning as I'd like to be. I want to honor God in all I do and I want to bless others too. Many many scriptures posted here have convinced me that reading books like this do not honor God. That is my hearts desire, so I'll avoid such things. Thank you so much for this post.
    posted by Evelyn Grace
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm
  524. @Evelyn Grace, God bless you! Your confession of a desire to honor God above all else is precious.
    posted by Hannah
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm
  525. Satan is also know as the Accusor.
    posted by Kev
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm
  526. I was accused of the same thing, Kev. It's just another way of discrediting others.
    posted by Missy
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm
  527. Look away children!!!

    Just been a sheep and believe what you are told!!!

    Don't read or think for yourself!!!!

    Just shut up and wait for instruction!!!!
    posted by ThatGuy
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 7:17 pm
  528. I as a young Christian woman very much appreciate you sharing your convictions on this book. And your blog in general - for letting CHRISTIAN women know that they are not alone in the desire and the struggle to be different and not partake in activities that will in the long run cause problems for us.
    posted by lindsey
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm
  529. Well I am reading 50 shades and love it so far so think as you please of me. If you want to think I am a terrible sinner going wherever, sure go ahead. I am confident in myself and my own beliefs so the slander wont get to me. The book is not just about S&M and does not glorify it if you read it. I'm on the last book now. It actually is the story of a person who did not understand how to love out of childhood abuse that learns to love in a different way. Ok so there is erotica and for those that feel disgusted by it should not read it. But I have not found this book to be any more disturbing than some of the other material out there. Violence, rape, whatever it may be that have been in other stories Ive read. At the end of the day, it's all fiction for me and just another book. I say do what makes you happy and what is the right choice for you. What is right for one wont be for another. As I said, Im loving the series and excited to finish to see what happens. I respect all other choices and thought I would chime in with mine.
    posted by Chasity
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm
  530. I'm with you, Linsey. As a Christian woman, young in my faith, I appreciate those more seasoned in their faith giving advice. Yay, me! I'm not alone!
    posted by Sara
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 8:44 pm
  531. Happy happy happy for Godly men and women who share Godly principles even when others oppose them! I so needed this today! Thank you Dannah!
    posted by S.S.
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm
  532. Amazing enough to me is that the fuss is much ado about nothing. As an educated Christian woman I don't feel demoralized or wrong for reading this book. The gossip and backbiting in my workplace would do more harm than reading this book. There are plenty of reads out there that have been acceptable only because there has not been the publicityof this book. My life and how I live reflect my Christianity, not a fictional book. Come on ladies really???
    posted by Good Chrisitan Woman
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 10:37 pm
  533. “No man should desire to be happy who is not at the same time holy. He should spend his efforts in seeking to know and do the will of God, leaving to Christ the matter of how happy he should be.” (A.W. Tozer)

    Seemed fitting to quote such a great man here. As many have quoted this scripture, "Be holy as I am holy" I thought this seemed appropriate. The quest for holiness should take precedence over our quest for happiness. Jesus died for an unholy people...to make them holy by the washing of His blood. How insulting is it for those who are called by His name to run back to that which is unholy, only to justify it by saying, "It's just a book" or "It's just a movie". Humans never had the luxury of deciding what God should consider acceptable. He decided that. We must simply obey. It's a privilege to honor God in this way. We do not make ourselves holy, we simply obey the words of the one who died to make us holy. And He blesses us for it. Thank you to so many who have stood for this here. Thank you, Dannah for sharing boldly.
    posted by Wayne
    on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 11:20 pm
  534. I SO AGREE Good Christian woman its all stupid to me too!!! I'm shocked over how snappy people get and how some that claim to be so holy can also be so snippy about something so small. you got me although Im mostly laughing reading how upset people are getting over a book and yes its because the book is popular. There is so much worse out there. there are too many other things in the world to be concerned over than a book.
    posted by Tiffany
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:14 am
  535. Reading a book or seeing another person that intrigues you is not committing adultery. Committing adultery is committing adultery. Period.
    posted by AMS
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:28 am
  536. After reading through the comments in response to Dannah's post, I was somewhat surprised at how divisive this book is. Especially considering that many are "judging a book by its cover" so to speak. In my opinion though, I believe that Dannah makes some excellent points in her post with reasons one and two.

    Although, I may not necessarily agree with the whole of her first argument, her statement, "Reason #1? I believe reading erotica is sinful." is one to be heeded. If anyone feels that it is a sin for them to read this series, then please DO NOT! Guilt and shame are only compounded when you do that which you already feel you should not.

    Reason two is basically about addictions and addictions come in many forms. In today’s society, people are already desensitized due to exposure to commercialized sex and violence through various media (television, music, magazines, etc.). Like a drug addict needing more crack, people need more explicit sex and more over-the-top violence to stimulate and maintain their interests. If you are struggling to protect your innocence so that life is still “like a box of chocolates”, then I would once again urge you to not read this series. Specifically, if you are an unmarried woman who is striving to live chaste as you await God's guidance for a spouse, do not read this series.

    Having stated the above though, I cannot say that I am convinced by reason three and feel that four is somewhat unfounded due to the lack of knowledge concerning the actual series' content.

    Reason 3: If a woman becomes dissatisfied with her husband and attempts to compare/measure her spouse against a fictional character due to reading this series, then there are most likely additional underlying issues. The choice to read these books was not a wise choice for the wife in the first place as it is exacerbating existing unidentified/unresolved problems.

    Reason 4: Assumptions are made that the entirety of the story revolves around BDSM when, in fact, (as a few posters have already pointed out) the story only starts with one man’s addiction to the use of BDSM as a coping mechanism. Beyond that it evolves into a touching story centering on the power of love and the importance of family and friends.

    Personally, I enjoyed the artistic and creative ability that was exhibited by the author, E L James, through the series. I would caution any prospective reader though that has doubts due to religious convictions or that is young and unmarried.
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 1:26 am
  537. My husband actually told me thank you for not reading the book and please don't tell me what you know about it. I knew it was not going to be good for MY mind, but I hadn't even considered my husband's mind!
    posted by Rebeca
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 10:08 am
  538. I have a lot of friends, both young and seasoned in their faith. I know that heaving this series on my book shelves would cause some to stumble, both young and seasoned. Not only that but my children seeing me ok with reading them (or viewing anything like it) could be compromised in their young faith. If I feel like I have to hide something in order to not cause someone to stumble I don't want to have it for my eyes either. Something just doesn't seem right about ignoring the weakness of others, especially children. I want to teach them by my behavior to be highly discerning about entertainment choices. They say that the eyes are the windows to the soul.
    posted by Henderson
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 10:29 am
  539. Well said Wayne!
    posted by Henderson
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 10:38 am
  540. God asked me to give up reading fiction, too. So I stopped reading the Bible.
    posted by The Rob
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm
  541. @Rachel..I could not have said that better myself and you outlined the points very well. What a wonderful post!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm
  542. Get a life lady.....it is just a book!!!!!!
    posted by Lilinda waterson
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm
  543. Ive read all three books and personally loved them . I think its wrong of people to judge so harshly something they havent even read! . There are lots of things in this world a million times worse that a book with a few sex scenes in ..maybe people should concentrate more on those. I am married and enjoy a very fufilling relationship with my husband our relationship has always been very strong and secure and in no way would i imagine me or him reading a book with sex in could ever interfere or "damage" our relationship.
    I find it sad that some peoples relationships are obviously so fragile that they feel the need to censore their own and their partners viewing/reading. Surley if your marrage is as strong as it should be, nothing could come between you ?
    I respect peoples views of not wanting to read these books , but why feel the need to preach about them to others who may find them enjoyable?...seems like all you strong preachers need to take a step back and think about why you are letting a book get you so hot under the collar that you feel the need to call people who read it sinners lol and how boring must your sex life be if you condem so much as sinful! perhaps you are secretly scared of letting a bit of fun into your lives ?
    posted by jasmine white
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm
  544. Dannah, thank you for this post. It takes courage to stand up for truth!
    http://going-greene.blogspot.com
    posted by Tori
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm
  545. I am especially thankful to the men who have written and told why they agree with the blog. They have seen the dangers of porn; they have experienced the addiction and the withdrawal. Until I read this blog, and some of the responses, I had never heard of "mommy porn" or "candy porn". I am sitting here in disbelief that Christian women are defending being sucked into the very thing that satan has been trying to destroy men with. "It's only fiction" doesn't mean that it's a good topic to be reading about.

    The porn industry is huge and it leads to other sexual sins - child abuse, incest, sex slave trade, prostitution rings, etc. Why would any Christ-follower want to have any any part with this industry? So what if this topic is just about a book of fiction? Over time, we begin to accept more and more ungodly actions as being normal and ok. Read a little, watch a little, read a little more, watch a little more and then we find ourselves not being ashamed or convicted about things that are not in line with God's Word.

    A few verses are brought to mind (with my paraphrases).
    Romans 12:2 (do not be conformed to this world)
    I Corin. 6:12, 10:23 (all things are lawful, but not necessarily helpful, or edifying)
    Rom. 6:1, 2 (do we continue to sin just so we can experience God's grace? No! God forbid.)

    I find it interesting that the one's who are complaining about being judged, are those who are flaunting their freedom to do and read whatever they want and they are judging those who are holding to Biblical standards....

    Personally, as a Christian seeking to glorify God, I would not be proud to announce that I watch porn or that I am into perverse sexual activities. Even if I felt it was an OK thing, I know that it would be a stumbling block for others. Regardless of what you believe, there will be a day of judgement. You might have convinced yourselves that everything you do is ok with God, but one day you will know for sure.

    Romans 14:8 "If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' " 12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men."

    I am also thankful for women like Dannah who are willing to stand up for their beliefs even when they may not be popular. She is fulfilling what we as Christian women should be doing - encouraging, instructing, & helping other women to grow.

    Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." Thank you, Dannah.
    posted by J-ME
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 11:05 pm
  546. Regardless of your religious beliefs, do you really think it wise to critique a book you have not read, or a lifestyle you admittedly don't understand? I was actually more offended by the ignorance of your blog, than the Fifty Shades books.
    posted by Rachel
    on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 11:45 pm
  547. @J-ME, well said!
    posted by Kev
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 12:56 am
  548. @Rachel...I definitely feel right in sync with your posts but be careful not to sound too intelligible as the virtual stone throwing festival will start. The book has been judged, tried and equated to porn without having been read. Nice eh? And even with porn, if graphic images via erotica or regardless are bad for someone's psyche then naturally they should stay away but don't profess to call others less than Christian over their literary choice...there are far worse things and I hardly think there is one person that has not had an impure thought at any point in time. Give me a break. On that note, there are many novels on what occurred during WWII to which have been far more graphic & disturbing yet...true. I find those books to be of great importance to read to know and understand how evil can take root at the single hand of one person who claims it's for the better good. Brainwashing and cults are the core of all that is evil. That is what causes those to DO vile things all in the what they perceive as for the better good.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 1:10 am
  549. My grandma used to sing a song to me when I was little. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see! Oh be careful little eyes what you see! For the Father up above is looking down in love. Oh be careful little eyes what you see!". I loved to sing it. It taught me from a young age to protect my impressionable mind. It taught me that having a tender conscience was a good and desirable thing. I am not ashamed to have a tender conscience. I am not ashamed to encourage others to protect theirs. I teach many moms, children and young teens the same song and the principle behind it. I share what I've learned through my failures to help others be overcomers of the same sins with which I've struggled. I'm so very thankful for those in my life that have done the same for me! I can't imagine where I'd be in life or what path I'd have taken had not people who loved the Lord shared with me their convictions of living a life in as pure a way as possible. Not one of them was sinless. But not one of them ever tried to excuse or justify sinful pleasures or tell me it was ok to compromise my Godly character for the sake of freedom of indulgence. I praise God for the strong and strict faith of my elders. I treasure my tender conscience. It still let's me know when I'm wrong. It is not seared from repeated compromise. Thank you, Jesus, for Godly saints bold and loving enough to say the hard things to say!
    posted by Mari
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 2:13 am
  550. I don't understand the big deal ....I'm an adult in a very loving marriage with a wonderful husband and he knows I am reading these books. The next thing people should know is yes the book is getting all this attention for the "mommy porn" but because u haven't read the books you will never know that there is a story of an abused man who has finally found someone that he loves and can trust and does not need those things anymore. He finally feels worthy to have someone love him in a what society say is normal. So before you go judging people for what they r reading and the people who wrote it maybe you need to know the whole stor and by the way the last time Ichecked it wasn't your job or anyone else's to judge me. I believe you will find that in the
    Bible.
    posted by Leigh
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 8:14 am
  551. Actually, Christians are supposed to judge each other. See posts above.
    posted by Jen
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 10:54 am
  552. @Leigh - oh yes yes...... they are supposed to judge b/c just like the self proclaimed worshipers that felt Jesus was wrong in how he lived and who he kept company with, he was nailed to a cross. Thus others will be nailed to one figuratively speaking for not adhering to what some think is in accordance to a proper holy life. So forget having a mind of your own.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm
  553. @ Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    I just wanted to point out that there are two Rachels commenting. I did not post "I was actually more offended by the ignorance of your blog, than the Fifty Shades books."
    In fact, I actually think that Dannah, J-ME, and Mari have made excellent points. I fully respect the women that have posted concerning their decisions to not read the books as I would never advocate someone opposing their God-given conscience.
    posted by Rachel
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm
  554. Luke 6:42

    New International Version (NIV)

    42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    This is to all who have commented about being told to judge. Make sure everything is right in your house and THEN tend to others'.
    posted by RMeller
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm
  555. @Rachel to which I was not responding to :

    Thank you for pointing out that there are 2 with the same name however I was clearly responding to the Rachel that stated "I was actually more offended by the ignorance of your blog, than the Fifty Shades books." - My apologies for not noticing a 2nd Rachel until now.

    There was another Sarah at one time so I differentiated myself to see if that helped. So do know, I was not responding to you in this case and naturally we have opposing views so I will leave it at that.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 7:34 pm
  556. Amen RMeller...I have indeed heard of that one before! Great point..
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm
  557. @Rachel..were you the one who said :

    Personally, I enjoyed the artistic and creative ability that was exhibited by the author, E L James, through the series. I would caution any prospective reader though that has doubts due to religious convictions or that is young and unmarried.

    ==
    that was an excerpt from a longer post. Regardless, I did very much respect that post as well. It was eloquently stated without shaming anyone.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 7:41 pm
  558. I am a former librarian, and know that libraries should offer books on all topics to give all points of view. I however, would not have this book on my shelf if I was still a librarian. It is not something that has an value in literature.

    This book degrades women and as a sexual abuse SURVIVOR, I pray that no one ever has to feel like I did when I was abused. This book should be burned!
    posted by Joanne
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm
  559. BDSM relationships are some of the most loving, caring, giving, and compromising relationships out there. Open communication is valued and the sub actually has a great deal of control. Words are used to indicate that a party is uncomfortable and the actions are to stop immediately if one of the words is used. Sounds a lot better than the Bible's version which basically indicates that the woman just lays back and takes it and it's her duty to please her man!
    posted by dominateme
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 9:40 pm
  560. Well all these ladies with so many opinions of which I find distrubing due to the fact none of them have read the books. I personally have read all three and trust me ladies it is not as pornagraphic as you all are making it out to be. Truely, the book starts out that way sort of but the main character does change his ways due to his love for a woman, so maybe if you talked to someone who actually had read them you could understand the books better. I love my husband dearly and would never lust for another man and did not find myself lusting for the character in the book. I was more amazed at how love for another can change even the darkest of souls and make them believe in the power of love and compromise. The book focused more on the love of two people and what they enjoyed not really anything like porn. I have found in my experience of talking with women, the ones who deny they are interested are just hiding the truth of their desires and following along with others to hide what they are ashamed of. All the rest are having great sex lives with their husbands and always smiling at the others who dont. To each his own.
    posted by Dabby
    on Thursday, June 14, 2012 at 9:58 pm
  561. Read it, don't read it. It's not my business. Did I read it, not your business. The author of this just expressed her feelings about her not reading the book, good for her. I didn't have to read it, it was my choice. Just like it was my choice to skip past all the crud going back and forth. I literally have a head ach now! Wow!
    Ok, I will take a leap of fait and say I have read them. Don't really care what ya think:). Here's the shocking point, and let's see who calls me out on it. I did love the book, not the sex but the plot! Seriously like half way through the first book I was tired of the sex. And just like your crappy coments made above, I chose to skip through it. Ah, but the ones who also read and enjoyed it say you missed some important parts. Yes, I got confused at the end of book one, as to why she got so up set and decided to leave. So when events liked this happened I skimmed back and figured it out quickly and moved on. I was more into the relationship and could she be the one to help him escape his horrible past, and why is he so jacked up, which you want to know about so you just have to read book two. At the end of book two you want to know how they eneded up...Again all my free choice. Just like she had freedom to wire this article, I had freedom to chose to read it, and I chose to skip through the sex parts of the book, unless I had to fish through it to get the info I needed to understand and move on. And....pause because I hear the questions...yes I'm married, happily. No I'm not a prude, I just don't get excited reading about others having sex and honestly started to annoy me, but love the connection between the characters and the main plot in the story, and their incredible love for each other . Yes I am a bible reading church going God loving Christian:). Who is happy for those who are strong enough and comfortable enough in their faith to read the book. And equally happy for those who are strong enough and comfortable enough to be so bold and stand up for something in their faith that they chose is wrong. I'm happy with who I am. Either way at the end of my day, I have no say over what you do or don't do, not my business. It's all about your individual choice and what you are comfortable and not comfortable with. I tried to write a post with out judgement, however I have found things written without being said could be read wrong. So I appologize if anyone feels judged.
    posted by Kris1
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 1:15 am
  562. Ok it's one am, there are slot of mistakes. Forgive me:). On another note, when is someone going to bring up the movie Magic Mike!? (said with sarcasm). OK now my sarcastic side is coming out I should really go to bed. Laters;)
    posted by Kris1
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 1:19 am
  563. @Mari, I believe God treasures your tender conscience too. :). Thanks for your post.
    posted by Kev
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 1:25 am
  564. Truth!
    posted by MCB
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 8:53 am
  565. I dont think this book is any different from romance novels I know plenty of women have read. I just think if you dont want to read it because you dont agree with it's content then dont. That is your right, but dont put judgement of those who want to read it. I think most people can tell the difference between reality and fiction.
    posted by Amber
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
  566. First let me say I a not just a Christian, I am a Spirit Filled, Relationship Walking, Blessed daily Believer.(The word Christian seems to be used loosely in today's society.)
    But guess my occupation...I sell adult romance products....GASP...Why, because we live in a world of sex. But wives way too often forget that is one their mates most important needs. I DO NOT & WILL NEVER BRING OR CONDONE PORN IN A MARITAL RELATIONSHIP. But in the marriage bedroom, their is little limitation. (As far as play) Even light bondage if both spouses are OK with it. As long as it involves the husband & wife ONLY, with no outside visual stimulation, spice it up. I promise there is a level of physical intimacy that opens an emotional intimacy level very few Christian couples find. As for the book Shades of Grey, I chose to read it for one reason. I felt I could learn more about a type of sexual interaction (BDSM) in the least pornographic style but from view of a relationship. Ladies like it or not our guys are visual. I just choose to be his vision!!!!
    posted by Christie
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm
  567. Personally i think its wrong for any of you (who have read the book or not) to judge anyone in any situation...I'm in a relationship with a man i love and we have a child together and we're not married. If you feel you have the right to judge me or any one else for that matter then who's the bigger sinner here? Everyone is entitled to there own opinion that doesn't mean its wrong. God gave us free will and imagination how can you say its wrong for them to use it?? Its just a book and there is always going to be someone who is offended by it no matter what its about...
    posted by Samantha31611
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 4:54 pm
  568. I am so glad to see many diverse opinions and those that understand that reading this book is not going to stamp them as sinners. Ridiculous. One person's sin is not another persons. I will say if a person is a sex addict or has problems with their mind easily being led astray after reading erotica, watching porn etc..then don't do it. I would tell an alcoholic the same...stay away from alcohol. Common sense. I would just hope each person would be strong minded or intelligible enough to know what is best for 'them' than saying it's best for everyone. That is wrong on many levels..

    I said this before in another post but feel it's worth repeating ::

    The scrutiny of human beings onto other human beings that claim they live perfect holy lives to which 'they' have the answers to which is laughable at best. No human can judge me out of what they perceive. I have only one judge the last I checked. That being is not human.

    It is about what you do. You can't control every 'thought'..how completely obtuse to suggest such a thing. I can bet at any point in time about every person has had a thought that didn't bode well with the 7 deadly sins whether it was gluttony, pride, sloth, etc. And I'm not talking extreme. A soda or a candy bar could be considered giving into gluttony by some people - so is that impure? What about if I skip laundry today? Did I give into sloth? I'm wearing makeup. uh oh...Pride? I was angry earlier due to a conflict of interests with another person...would that be that wrath? I sure did like a boat a friend of mine and wished for a moment I had one as well - oops..was that envy? At Christmas, sometimes we all get or give well above what we should and do not give enough to charities - would that be greed? Some may condemn you to any one of those based upon what they feel coincides with that particular sin and feel 'sorry' for you as they feel you are living less than a holy life. How does it feel to be under such scrutiny?

    You see..with humans it's all subjective and out of conjecture at times - you should DO the best you can. BE caring. BE Kind. BE generous with your words or time or any means you may have. BE gracious toward others. BE sympathetic even when you can't be completely empathetic to another persons plight. BE a good person. If you want to know how Jesus is reflected through us, it's when we as human beings exercise compassion & kindness toward our fellow mankind through our actions. THAT is what he taught first and foremost. I hardly feel Jesus would feel condemning over a literary selection to which is subjective would be putting any of those actions into place. Sure, warn other Christians of why you would choose to stay away yet understand that many may not see it as you do nor perceive themselves as unholy as a result. Jesus is forgiving and He taught by **not** sounding self righteous. Let's not forget the company Jesus did keep and how he went about spreading the word of God. It was the self righteous (HUMANS) who felt Jesus was not leading as God would see fit and thus had him nailed to a cross for what they saw as betrayal - And still....Jesus forgave us before God would destroy us all..

    I sure am glad in this day and time, no one can nail another to a cross although the negative words toward others can seem that way figuratively speaking.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 7:12 pm
  569. I have read the first two books in this trilogy and I am working on the third. I love them. To me these books are an escape from reality. An escape from the monotany of the day to day grind I call making a living. I consider my self to be a Christian woman, a godly woman. I have been saved by Grace and thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ every day for it. I do not feel ashamed or convicted over reading these books. I do not participate in the lifestyle portrayed in this book and do not intend to. It is fiction, not real. It is pretend. I do not lust after Christian Grey, to me it is just a story that I enjoy reading. Perhaps we should not read the news paper or watch tv, or go out in public because we may see or hear something that stimulate our desire. I do not feel that a person who has not read the books should be giving information about why someone else should or should not read it. In case anyone cares there is a story line outside of sex in this trilogy. It is not all about whips, chains, and handcuffs. Infact there is more story and non sexual action. Be less judgemental about a book you have never opened. What you are going on is here say. I love my self, my marraige and my God as well and reading a book does not, should not, and will not change that. It does not make me less of a person, wife, or christian. Have a blessed day!
    posted by RD
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm
  570. My grandma used to sing a song to me when I was little. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see! Oh be careful little eyes what you see! For the Father up above is looking down in love. Oh be careful little eyes what you see!". I loved to sing it. It taught me from a young age to protect my impressionable mind. It taught me that having a tender conscience was a good and desirable thing. I am not ashamed to have a tender conscience. I am not ashamed to encourage others to protect theirs. I teach many moms, children and young teens the same song and the principle behind it. I share what I've learned through my failures to help others be overcomers of the same sins with which I've struggled. I'm so very thankful for those in my life that have done the same for me! I can't imagine where I'd be in life or what path I'd have taken had not people who loved the Lord shared with me their convictions of living a life in as pure a way as possible. Not one of them was sinless. But not one of them ever tried to excuse or justify sinful pleasures or tell me it was ok to compromise my Godly character for the sake of freedom of indulgence. I praise God for the strong and strict faith of my elders. I treasure my tender conscience. It still let's me know when I'm wrong. It is not seared from repeated compromise. Thank you, Jesus, for Godly saints bold and loving enough to say the hard things to say!
    posted by mari
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm
  571. I believe this link will shed a lot of light on this issue for all God's Children... I know it practically SAVED mine and my husband's relationship during a particularly rocky time. I encourage everyone to check it out:

    http://www.sexinchrist.com/submission.html
    http://www.sexinchrist.com/submission.html
    posted by janiea
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 11:18 pm
  572. To each his own. Everyone has his or her own preferences, life choices, beliefs, values, and morals...and just because yours may differ from another's is no reason to condemn, judge, or scoff at them. If you choose to read the books, I hope you enjoy them and take them for what they are: entertainment. If you choose not to read them for whatever reason, then simply don't read them. No need to preach to others about your own beliefs and how damaging material like these novels are because, quite frankly, they're not.
    posted by Cindy R
    on Friday, June 15, 2012 at 11:53 pm
  573. @Mari..I think that is good for you and you have chosen the right path for ......you. Sweet song as well. Just know that some others do not think the same for themselves and that is 'ok'...they are not evil or bad just because their perception is different.

    @Cindy..I agree
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 12:02 am
  574. 1Corinthians 5:12 "For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?". People seem to focus on the verses that say "judge not...". But they never see this one or others like it that clearly show that those in the "Church" are actually supposed to be accountable to each other. Judgement does not equate to Condemnation. It isn't a bad or negative thing. Holding each other accountable to a higher standard (God's) is a very loving thing to do. We do it as Christians to build each other up in the faith, not to tear each other down. There have been many a wrong "Christian" who has condemned others in their attempt to rightly judge. But this misapplication of God's command should not negate the good that should come from the proper used of discernment and accountability in the church. Exploring others to abstain from unhealthy, wrong, sinful or foolish choices is a good thing that all who bear the name of Christ should welcome. Rather than react so harshly toward the encouraging, exhorting brother or sister a Chrisitian's responsibility is to humbly examine his/herself to see how what has been said can bless them. Self examination is a good thing. Encouraging others to beware of a potential stumbling block is a good thing. Loving your neighbor as yourself is a must. Judge, but do not put yourself in the position to Condemn. Be willing to be thought. Be willing to find out that your choices might be wrong choices that are actually unGodly, unholy or unedifying. There is nothing wrong with being encouraged in this way.
    posted by Amia
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 1:11 am
  575. Ladies, I honestly don't believe anyone is throwing around judgemental words. Everyone here is using their OPINION. Each and every one. The ones who condone the book are giving their opinion, and the ones who don't are giving their opinion. It nerves me that this day in age is all about JUDGEMENT. They think every one is judging them and telling them what they should and shouldnt do, and then they get their panties all in a bunch. Have we lost the days of debate? Where we strictly have conversations to debate something instead of thinking someone is judging you because they just don't agree with what your'e saying. Chill out! Every one here is posting out of love, and I don't feel anyone is degrading anyone or judging anyone. When did we gain so much entitlement to think everyone is always judging us. Maybe is your'e feeling judged then you are feeling ashamed about what you're doing. Just saying.
    http://dietcokeandalemon.blogspot.com/
    posted by Lauren
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 10:22 am
  576. @Lauren...The opinions on the book are fine. I don't care about that but when someone remarks you are not 'teachable' in your faith or refer to you as less than Christian as a result of deciding to read the book or when you are sticking up for those that have made the choice then that is judgement used in a very wrong manner. I understand talking to other like minded Christians who feel repelled by any sort of erotica and warning them it contains things they may feel disturbed by - however it's just a book and reading the book is not considered a sin by any stretch of the imagination by many. I don't feel ashamed in the very least and even suggesting that is again INSULTING. Why take it there??? When you name call and refer to others as unholy etc, THAT my friend is judgment and it's judgment via another HUMAN being. I'm fine with debating about the book if one can stay on topic...but don't call or refer to me as anything less than YOU because of MY opinion. THAT is my point.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 10:59 am
  577. @Sarah....I'm not even talking about the book. Honestly, I could care less about the book. I have friends that read it and friends that choose not too. I was just referring to being annoyed that so many people today feel that everyone is judging them when it's merely just that they do not agree with each other.

    Quite frankly I'm stunned by all of these comments. By everyone! If this is the community of women that I have to look forward to in life these days then I am not very pleased by that.

    Women on here calling others not holy. Women on here saying "well we all sin, and we sin differently." So basically just let me choose my own sin. Seriously? Have we come that far that we are willing to compromise what we feel might be sin in our life just because it's not as big as someone else's

    This whole comment section is a joke. One woman wrote a blog about her feelings on why she won't be reading the book. And every one and their mother jumped on the bandwagon to comment telling her why she's wrong, and then get their panties in a bunch when they feel judged. IT'S HER BLOG AND HER OPINION!

    Like I said.....read it, don't read....I don't care. But please don't sit by and make excuses for why you're doing something.

    This is not a mature conversation with christian women and I'm just embarrassed by that.
    posted by Lauren
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm
  578. I completely agree with @yfaith s comment earlier, and I think people are taking those step too far. If its not a book that you want to read than don't read it. This is your choice. However, I feel it is wrong to judge those who do read it or just simply choose not to look down upon people who do choose to do so. God made this world for us to experience and we face any consequences in relation to this. I like to think women have some self control that you can read a book if you choose to such as this and it does not interfere with your love for your husband or make you filth for reading it. The book has a story and is not only about sex like yfaith said. And people should be able to read whichever books they would like and watch what the would like and still be confident in their faith and have a great relationship with their husband, and these women do not need other women to look down upon them and judge them for this or feel pity upon them. Arguing between women over silly topics such as this is pointless and any person of faith should be respectful of others decisions even if you don't agree! It doesn't effect you if another woman reads this book that's her decision, and if she is comfortable with it than thats fine, it's only a book!
    posted by Candice
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm
  579. Lauren, your saying you don't like the comments on here, so if you don't it and are embarrassed, then walk away from the conversation and stop commenting yourself. You do not need to read it if you don't want too. And yes this is HER BLOG, that is open to the public for people to comment and people will, it's sad if people get offended but it's more sad that people let little things like comments effect them, I like think women are stronger than that. But simply if you don't want to read something whether it be the book or these comments than don't. Simple.
    posted by Candice
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 12:55 pm
  580. Candice you just said what I was trying to say. That basically the women on here are not strong enough to read these comments and let what others say not effect them, and in return are feeling judged. I wasn't trying to sound rude or offensive in my comment, but I just see it day in and day out where these strong women are constantly feeling judged. We let that judgement fuel us and become a toxin in our life, tell others what people say doesn't bother us, but in fact it does. I just wish christian women could have a conversation.....with differences....without it always turning into someone being judgmental. Quite frankly you don't hear that word being thrown around much in the "secular" world. I work as a social worker and my client said they other day....what is up with all these christians always feeling judged. It broke my heart, because as Christians we are supposed to feel empowered by Christ and his love for us,but instead we walk around saying everyone is judging us. Just something that's been on my heart.
    posted by Lauren
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 1:02 pm
  581. I dont know how my comment came across to you, but I don't feel judged and I'm sure many women on here don't feel judged either, we just want to voice the our opinions that may be different than other women's, that is all. People in our faith can be judgemental as can people not in our faith, many times saying they only mean things in a positive way, however still being judgemental when they dont need to be. However, if a woman is comfortable in her faith and doesn't let negativity effect her than that's the best they can do.
    posted by Candice
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 1:17 pm
  582. @Lauren - I agree with what Candice is saying. It's not that I feel judged over the book...it's the questions of my beliefs, being told i'm not teachable and less than holy. That is where the real shame lies with Christian women OR men. I'm open to opinions and fine with anyone's choice but when you call what I'm doing a sin..umm nope, I think I may have something to say about that and this is a forum open to everyone's comments. In my experience I've know very kind & open minded Christians yet on the other side some that use scriptures to hurt others and forward their own agenda. I can't believe Jesus or God would agree with that and nor do I. Just my opinion and I'm not upset or angry...Do I like personal insults? Nope and I'll stick up for myself as any other person would. That's not out of being insecure..it's sticking up for what I think is right or wrong - vocalizing it. There is a difference.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm
  583. Well, I too had convictions before reading these books... but I do not regret reading them. There are so many underlying things in them besides the BDSM, and "rough stuff" sex. There is a reason that the male character is this way he is, and the female character is trying to help him see himself in a different way. And in talking about lust, I never truly lusted over the male character in reading the books... but I would like for there to be more men in the world that have his gentlemanly, old worldy manner. As others above have posted, how many true gentlemen are left in this world? How many men first of all: respect women in general, hold their door open, and make sure that their every need financially and physically is taken care of? Most women would admit not many! You know, I don't mind people saying what they think, and I believe in people who are strong in their faith... but people should not criticize things such as this, and other fictional books such as Twilight and Harry Potter, when they themselves have not read the books. If you have personally read them, criticize and protest away. But you should not do so if you haven't even read them! You do not know what the book entails as a WHOLE. There is more to it than the fiction and sex. And I know of women who say these books have helped their marriage. Being Christian, we should not judge or belittle people because of something they do, God will take care of them. You should just live by example. If you feel convicted not to read them, than don't. But please do not judge someone for reading these books, if you have not read them yourself. I love God, and my heart is in the right place... and my faith has not been waivered in anyway by reading these books.
    posted by Allyson
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm
  584. I agree with YFaith and the others who think the books are wonderful. I have been a Christian for most of my life. I grew up "under the pew" as some would say. I read these books after hearing so much about them and I love them!

    The truth is that they ARE NOT REALLY ABOUT SEX....IT IS A LOVE STORY about overcoming tremendous odds to find love.

    If you would read the books then you would understand that. The first book only tells a quarter of the story. By book two and three MANY things change and happen to make it the love story it becomes. The characters also learn from their past mistakes.

    I have been married for 18 years and it has in NO way hurt my marriage. As a matter of fact, it has helped me understand my husband more, the horrible life he lived as a child, and some of the battles he still fights in his mind today because of it (hurt, abuse, rejection). I now get him in a entire new way and appreciate him a lot more for the man he has become. It was a total God thing for sure. Hey, if God can use a donkey to talk to Ballam, then He can use whatever He wants.

    Also, I think it is unwise to post comments about something you haven't read or seen with your own eyes. You are simply making a rash judgement on other people's opinions.

    Anyway, seems like to me a few ladies have forgotten to read Song of Solomon in the BIBLE....... yeah, go read it...all of it. You will see what I mean.
    posted by RLG
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 9:10 pm
  585. I wanted to weight in for a moment, even though I haven't yet made it through all the comments.

    I started reading the book out of curiosity, and then stopped, not because of anything in it, but just because I didn't like the writing. So, I can't comment directly on what was in the book, or how it was portrayed, or anything like that.

    However, what I do want to comment on is the BDSM and sex aspect. I am a 21 year old girl, who is a practising Christian, and who is also in a BDSM relationship. Oh, and I'm a virgin! Although many BDSM relationships are sexual, they are not all about sex. Many BDSM relationships are loving, caring, and founded on much respect. My partner, who is the Dominant one, cares for me, is always there for me, encourages me, and guides me to be my best. He has never once pushed me sexually, and has never done anything to harm me. He is not Christian, but fully respects and supports my faith. It has been the best relationship of my life.

    For all those people who say BDSM is wrong, I just say that I have to disagree. What was wrong was my Dad, the Christian man, who used to beat me with a metal pipe if I got a bad grade on a test when I was growing up. What was wrong was my Mom, the Christian woman, who used to tell me I was fat and ugly, and who told me that if I ever told anyone about what my Dad did to me, I would go to Hell. But my Dominant, who takes me out for picnics, and holds my hand when we are walking down the street, and curls up on the couch on watches girly movies with me, is anything but wrong.

    Maybe this isn't the norm. Maybe I'm the one who is mistaken. But, I just wanted to say that, for me, BDSM is awesome, and God is awesome, and my life is pretty awesome with all those parts in it. So, I don't know about the book, or whether or not people should read it, but don't write off concepts that are talked about as a sin, if you really don't know what they are.
    posted by Christian Submissive
    on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm
  586. ARE YOU PEOPLE MENTALLY DERANGED!?! No one is telling you to read this blog. the nice lady is just trying to explain why she wouldnt read them. As Christians we are supposed to share our testimonies and help warn our fellow Christians about sinful traps that we have gone/still go through! Its just one Christian trying to help another sister out! Just the fact that they have premarital sex, shows that they're sinning! Oh well everybody does it today, so I guess that makes it right! Uhhh, yeahhh. Need I even comment on that point? It's pretty indisputable, huh?
    Even from a non-religious point of view, are these books really scintillating or intelligent? I doubt anyone who reads them grows smarter by the second.
    Please. I'm BEGGING for someone to contradict me on that one...
    Problem with Christianity today, is that as soon as someone mentions hell fire and damnation and sin...BAHHH! Everyone freaks out. WELL GUESS WHAT, PEEPS? The bible talks about sin and it's consequences! We all sin. But if you knowingly sin and don't even care, thats a different story. Romans 6. Look it up. (many of you don't even believe your sinning, as Christians, so this doesn't apply to you, obviously. You've obviously read a WHOLE OTHER Holy Bible with a different set of rules.
    (Does not exist.)
    If you're ok with sinning and reading porn as a Christian...good luck! Dannah "judging" you is the least of your problems. Try God on judgment day.
    Nowhere in this am I saying that I am not a sinner. All of us are sinners! I'm no better than anyone else.
    Ignorance and distortion of God's Word just drives me crazy. Pretty sure it would Him too. We all need to wake up and see that we are living in the last days. Not a time to focus on trivial, crappy books about Christian whats-his-face being a literary hero or good example for your marriage. Make Jesus Christ your hero. He IS the perfect example.
    posted by The King Is Coming
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 2:52 am
  587. Agree 100% with Amia's post. It was spot on. As was Dannah's.

    I thoroughly enjoyed your comment, Sad, despite your admission of DEVOURING such a fine (sarcasm) piece of literature.

    The cereal killer MUST BE STOPPED.
    posted by Where Did Sad Go
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 3:09 am
  588. And just for the record people.... They do get married. That should stop the premarital sex comments. See, you wouldn't know that because you haven't read it.
    posted by RLG
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 3:28 am
  589. @thekingiscoming, no one said they are getting smarter from reading these books that's not the point. And people are just sharing their opinions which is allowed and as far as I can tell is not a sin. However, I will say that yes we will all have to be accountable for our sins one day, but I'd like to think that many Christians also try to do their best while not pointing fingers at others and name calling. We are as Christians supposed to help each other and warn each other, but we are not needing to offend each other and judge each other, which is what some people are doing in these comments. The blog is a great blog and I respect her opinion and think its good blog to warn those who may have not read yet. But people are allowed to comment and share their opinions, however people really don't need to comment on others comments by name calling, saying their bad Christians, or insinuating that people are stupid and they must not read the same bible. It's just unnecessary and to me is much worse than reading a simple book of fiction.
    posted by Lola
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 11:30 am
  590. They do have premarital sex though, correct?
    posted by Amy
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm
  591. Who cares if they have premarital sex? I personally don't believe in marriage. I'm still Christian. It's not for me due to an array of reasons. TO EACH THEIR OWN

    to @thekingiscoming - pretty much too much of a wack job post to respond to as you feel the end of days is here etc etc..interesting. But yes, some of us read for pleasure...not to 'learn' - there are worse things out there.

    @Lola..This is what I meant by how some will crucify in due time....they preach they are allowed to vocalize opinions on the book or how they feel about what the book contains even though they have not read it....fine. no one cares - in fact diverse opinions are well received when stated with respect to those that read...but then the more nuttier posts start emerging questioning your faith, name calling etc....it's sad and comical at the same time. I'm amused by how they can claim to have the answers as a mortal human being - however I'm saddened by the lack of acceptance in their fellow mankind that have views that differ from their own yet they claim to be so 'holy'....riiiight......
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm
  592. Due note, since I have kids I AM married (more for their sake) but I honestly don't believe that marriage is for everyone due to our lack of acceptance with Gay marriage, marriages gone wrong, and the many that have fallen apart. I feel it's a personal choice and reading any content that contains premarital sex does not bother me or bdsm or anything ...I can see the story that is emerging and have a strong enough mind to know none of what I read leads me astray from what I feel is wrong in my own heart
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm
  593. I can't help myself. My mind would embrace the human logic and fairness to not judge others were it not for the Spirit of God living within me. The Bible I've come to fully believe leads me to have strong convictions that there are certain uncompromising standards that I and others who bear the name of Christ must strive to live up to with the hopes of becoming more and more holy as Jesus commanded and still commands. And though I might be tempted to fall for the chantings of the Judge Not crowd I have seen more than that one verse in God's Word. So I rest in my unearned salvation and hold fast to the very words that taught me to seek God and His mercy, all the while striving to live the way He says I should live. In my failures, I pray God will open my eyes to see things as I should and that I will begin to do things as I should. He knows I have a long way to go! In my successes I will continue to teach others that they too can be overcomers. One of the sinful indulgences I've had a great measure of success in overcoming is reading books like this. Books that at one time I justified reading by telling myself that I wasn't hurting anyone, that it wouldn't hurt me, that I was mature enough and strong enough to handle it, that God was ok with my choice and that it was innocent fun. But years ago, when God, through many circumstances, opened my eyes I began to understand that reading this kind of liturature was not only an abomination to the Lord, but it was also a stumbling block to others and myself. By reading such things I was acting as the perverbial dog who would eat it's vomit. Like a fool returning to my folly I, after having been fully cleansed of every guilty stain with which I ever knowingly or unknowingly tarnished my heart, justified my poor and unholy choices of liturature and once again dishonored God. But He loved me, just the same as He loves every single one of you, and He opened my eyes to my sin...showing me that it was indeed sin and a dishonoring of the name of Christ when I as a woman bearing His name willingly consumed every pleasure this mommy porn could offer. Now I know better. Now I do better. I will never say that this lesson is not the same for everyone because the God Who Is is God of All and He does not have favorites. His will is that we who are called by His name, Christ, live holy and reject that which is unholy. His will is also that we who are called by His name, Christ's name, teach, rebuke, correct and instruct others in the faith that others may know the Truth and so be set free from bondage as well. We are to love others as we would be loved. I know many of you do not believe what so many wise and Godly people have said here that this kind of reading material is sinful, wicked and unholy, but your unbelief does not make their words untrue. they speak the truth to you as I do. I speak because I love Jesus and have vowed to honor Him, which means obeying Him when he says to speak the Truth in love. I lovingly beseech you who have either read the books or are contemplating reading them, if you belong to Christ, to repent. As Jesus who loved and accepted the prostitute but then told her to go and sin no more, I hold out His grace to you as well and tell you there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ...go and sin no more. And when you learn something that I or another believer has not yet learned, love me back and warn me of my errant ways so that I may share in the knowledge Christ has given you. The rebuke of a righteous man is life!
    posted by Penny
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm
  594. I'm sorry, but this is the most close minded, one dimensional post I have ever read. I dont understand how people believe they are qualified to give a review on something if they have never read it. To hear you tell it, this book has no plot line and contains constant hardcore sex. There is no sex until after page 100 and come on we are all adults here, you can read a story and take it like it is-just a story created by someones imagination. Your comparison to committing adultery is really reaching, I mean, come on. If it makes you feel better imagine that it is your husband. And did you really try and bring up the ancient and outdated belief that masturbation is bad for you? That is a blatant myth and has been disproved. I respect your choice to not read the book, you obviously wouldn't enjoy it, but it isn't right to post incorrect information and discourage other people who aren't as close minded as yourself. This reminds me of how everyone was talking about harry potter being the work of the devil, misguided people putting their two cents in where they don't know what they are talking about. But I'm sure you were probably leading the crusade against harry potter too.
    posted by Paige
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm
  595. Haha! Wack job, huh? Have you been watching the news at all lately? The Bible says in the last days there will be wars and rumors of wars, (have you SEEN what has been happening in the Middle East lately?! In Syria?!), earthquakes in diverse places (Again, watch the news)...it's all in Mark 13. All of these calamities and troubles are supposed to happen all together, as they are now. 2 Peter chapter 3 says scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, saying, "where is the promise of His coming?". So thank you, Sarah, for fullfilling Bible prophecy.
    I'm not offended by you calling me crazy. The end times? That's the Bible speaking :)
    I won't bother reading anymore comments, so you needn't bother with a reply.
    For those of you offended by strong, rebuking words: Matthew 11:12 The violent take the kingdom of heaven by force.
    Penny, your post was lovely. There IS no condemnation in Christ Jesus.
    posted by The King Is Coming (SOON)
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 2:30 am
  596. Penny, I love that your comment was so filled with love and gentleness without one shred of embarrassment or apology for for firmly holding to the truth! Well said!
    posted by Kev
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 8:34 am
  597. Agree with Paige.

    These are the women that their husband go behind their backs looking for some good sex. Sad!
    These books are amazing and the love story its so much better than the sex.
    posted by Not your problem
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:02 am
  598. I am married to a woman filled with the same love and wisdom demonstrated by Penny in her post, and so many others who have seen the wisdom and truth of God's word and are holding fast to that truth. We loved what you had to say, Penny.
    I will not spend any amount of time qualifying our intimate relationship or my wife's ability to please me. But I firmly believe that a man who has such a woman/wife as I have is truly a blessed man! Women, listen to me! Being a God fearing woman who follows in the footsteps of Jesus will not make your husband have wandering eyes or affections. That is a falsehood. A woman need not indulge in this sort of entertainment out of fear that her husband will be bored with her if she will not willingly corrupt her mind.

    I find my wife's mind and faith fascinating. I find her convictions inspiring and her beauty unwavering!
    posted by Wayne
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:49 am
  599. God wrote Song of Solomon to help us women and men to have a satisfying and erotic love life...ASK the Holy Spirit to interperet it for you...Wow! Churches have kept us women that have grown up in them strangled in having for ourselves and giving to our husbands the true erotic love life that God imagined, created, and wrote out in detail...It took me years to heal from this strangulation...My husband and I have been married for 32 years and happily are enjoying each other to the fullest even in our 50's...Holy Sex by Micheal Pearl - look it up!Details Song of Solomon for you...read it with your spouse...
    True Woman
    posted by I am sexy and I know it...
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm
  600. Agree with Paige.

    Still..Much ado about nothing.

    @Paige, I agree with your post (naturally as I've vocalized mine to which anyone would know) - I will say at least Penny put herself out as accepting of judgment in the end to which tells me she is not hypocritical. I may not agree with her but she was better & more eloquently spoken than many I've read.

    I do remember when Harry Potter was condemned and that was one of the most ludicrous things ever. That book is full of imagination, completely fiction yet enthralling until the end. Just my opinion. Granted 50 shades is different yet it's FOR adults & can't be compared; it does have a story and I'm quite surprised at how one can not separate the sexual parts from the story - so much so that they have not even bothered to read the story...I also feel this blog makes it 'sound' as if one has committed adultry just by reading it and yes entirely
    too close minded for my taste. I just can't feel so negatively about literature with strong sexual content. I've read other books with just as much (if not more!) as well as many that had violent situations, many things that may be unnerving to some. (Stephen King can be quite graphic as well as Dean Koontz or Anne Rice - in fact Anne Rice's witching hour
    would warrant more attention than this series!!) - I read the books for the 'story' and have never in one moment thought to imitate a 'book'! I read for knowledge AND entertainment. And I read an array of fiction as I do with movies. I am not sure why some would come down so hard on how some live our personal lives to which we are not hurting anyone.

    More than anything this blog reminds me of Stephen King's "the Mist"...In the middle of what seemed like the 'end of days' as proclaimed by an extremely brash Christian woman, she managed to get herself in the heads of many to which showed how divided people can be in the throes of chaos combined with the unknown. (the dynamics of those
    that were easily led by her was interesting) She caused more destruction among the people than she did with trying to provide peace. I don't feel peace was ever her goal - Just the love of the power it was giving her over others. And it had nothing to do with the end of days! Of course there were many
    that were too strong minded when it came to her having the answers to which she would coerce others to attempt to harm them. (nice!) - It has some great messages about being too easily led by another human. In fact, her some of her tactics reminded me of how Hitler probably managed to get many to follow his lead. Sad.

    Some of these posting *cough, the kingiscoming* are quite scary to imagine that I share their faith.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm
  601. You people have obviously not read the book because if you had you would know that the main character changes his "ways" because he falls in "true love." "True love" meaning he no longer wants to "dominate" or "hurt" her in any way. Quit getting your moral panties in a wad and "don't judge a book by it's cover". I know for a fact that this book has inspired a renewed sexual relationship between husbands and wives. Geezz!!!
    posted by Dawn Smith
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 5:01 pm
  602. ^......... thank you Dawn Smith! Exactly what I've been trying to say. :)
    posted by RLG
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 5:18 pm
  603. I read this blog and its comments with great interest, and some concern. I'm almost reluctant to make a comment after some of the vitriol that has been vented here!

    Thank you Dannah for your post. It takes courage to take a stand for what you believe, especially when your stance is completely opposite of what is popular and accepted in the current culture. You have presented a much needed warning, and I think its a shame it was not more heeded.

    Here's my $.02. I have read Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series. I have read Anne Rice's Witching Hour (and subsequent books in the series.) I have read the Sleeping Beauty trilogy written by Anne Roquelare (pseudonym for Anne Rice, btw), the Earth's Children series by Jean Auel and romance novels by the score. Almost all of these have been referenced in the above comments. I have gone down that road far enough to be able to recognize the signs of this particular genre. So do I need to read FSOG to determine whether I want to or not? No, not really.

    During the 10 years or so I was reading those books, I was single and overly preoccupied with sex. My mind and my heart were not pure, much less holy, though you never would have known it from my actions. I don't think I would have been as preoccupied as I was if I hadn't been reading that material. It affected the way I thought about people in my life, and the way I thought about myself. Everything took on sexual overtones, whether they were there or not. My relationship with God suffered- I would rather read those books than God's book, my prayer life became non-existent- I knew He wouldn't listen to me anyway. I spent money I didn't have to continue to feed the hunger for those novels. I spent time that would have been better invested in my collegiate studies not to mention studying the Bible or actually DOING something Christ would have done. This was an actual addiction for me: Hidden, secret, compelling, controlling. My mind was diseased.

    And then I met the man I married. He had a similar addiction to visual pornography. He was fighting it, as I was fighting it; both of us trying our best to put it all away and to grow. Not always winning.

    A couple years into our marriage, I had stopped reading erotic fiction. But I found out that my husband had gone back to viewing pornography. I was HURT. And ANGRY. And Sad. In the time since he had started looking at it again, our sex life had deteriorated in frequency and quality. I see a direct correlation between the two events. There have been a few times I have picked up and read (or re-read) a book I KNEW I shouldn't have with the same result to our intimacy. I also know that when we are both living pure lives and filling our heads and hearts with pure thoughts our intimacy thrives both in quality and quantity. Thanks to God, we are in a good place right now, and hopefully will only continue to grow together.



    So I can't quote any scientific studies, but I can say from my own experience that continuing forays into this type of material will have a negative impact on your life. And I will warn whoever I can- not about this specific book, but about these types of books. They are dangerous. They promote an unreal view of romance, sex, intimacy, and love. Though one book might not cause you any harm, what about the sequel? What about the next erotic series you pick up because you want another fix? And then when your husband doesn't measure up to the man you're reading about, what then?

    With that said, I have also read the Song of Solomon. As many here have noted, it is also erotic literature. But this is literature that describes intimacy they way God intended it to be, between a married couple. This is literature that is also inspired by God, the One who created the marriage relationship and act of sex. It builds up rather than tears down, and has been helpful in rebuilding the broken parts of my marriage. To me, that makes all the difference.

    Someone in the comments above made the analogy of putting a warning sign at the edge of a pond filled with carnivorous fish. A later comment brushed that off as being alarmist. Here's my point: If you haven't been in the pond, you CAN'T know how dangerous the fish are. A wise person will learn from someone else's mistakes and injuries and not venture into the pond to begin with.

    Dannah- thank you again for a great post.
    posted by Allison
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 6:35 pm
  604. Allison, that's a shame your relationship suffered from this and that things like erotic books and pornography became a problem in your relationship. And it defintely is a different first hand view.
    However, I think some people's points are that they have relationships that these things have not effected their intimacy or connection and in which they are able to still have a connection with their faith and God. Every person is different and every Christian is different even if we share the same beliefs, I think this is what we all need to remember.
    posted by Megan
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm
  605. @Allison

    First off I want to commend you on getting things OUT of your life that affected you so negatively & that were harmful to your own psyche by the admission of your own words. You are a prime example of *who should stay away* from the books.

    BUT to state that books of any sort (or similar to those mentioned in context) will have a negative impact on anothers life based on your example alone is rather biased, bigoted & captious..don't you think? I can tell you of the numerous things that may impact my life adversely, but that would pertain to me as I can't generalize that it would be harmful for others. That's the same as saying *everyone* should stay away from alcoholic beverages vs one who is vulnerable to alcoholism. This is what the rest of us are trying to convey when it comes to 'our' lives. Referring to any sort of erotic fiction or other literary content as a 'fix' clearly shows that YOUR mindset is not one of which that should be reading this so I applaud you on staying away. You just can't compare your experience with those of different mindsets.

    First off, I don't go around thinking about sex all the time..in fact, I had to laugh because I'm quite the opposite. I was this way before any erotic book or after. I'm sure my husband would be delighted if I did think of it more. I don't have a high drive. Never did..probably never will. I can relate the same line of thinking to violent books or those on sociopaths. I can't ever imagine thinking as some of the deranged characters I've read about...I'm always happy when they are captured or it ends well....so no affect on my psyche there either. I have also read many great classics and historical pieces based off medevil times. I especially love history depicting strong females such as Queen Elizabeth. As I said..I read an array of things to which may have some educational content or none at all. I have also never EVER compared my husband to any fictional character...that makes me laugh as well because that line of thinking is so foreign to me. It's fiction..not real. I can separate that yet I am amazed at how some can not ..yeah those who can not should stay away from the books. Sex addicts should stay away from porn or erotica...I never argued that ever. I'm more than happy you got over your addiction and wish you well in life.

    As for whoever made the comment of the sign in front of pond with dangerous fish..it's an absurd comparison is all. Maybe not for you but for those of us that are not even close to being addicts or recovering sex addicts.

    Food for thought::

    If we all looked onto to what another claimed before making our own choices and without discerning things on our own; we would never know more that 1 person. With that said, I think I'll find my own path and my own truth. Peace.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm
  606. @ Megan...well said!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 8:38 pm
  607. This is all phsyco-analytical B.S. It's a book. that's it. You better quit listening to the radio, and watching tv, and going in public, cause you might have a "unsavory, evil thought which will cause you to go to hell. Pull your head out of your bible and get a life and smell the fresh air as god intended you to. Do not judge people for what they read or write, just turn the other cheek. Do you work in the Vatican, are you skilled and educated in the interpretation of the bible, I doubt it. This is why our blessed USA is going down the toilet, because of hypocrites like you, everybody is drinking the " I am a big shady, listen to me ". Get a life, I am now as dumb as you for reading your article.
    posted by allen
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm
  608. I whole heartedly agree with Faith. These books
    Are about so much more than the sex and BDSM.
    I don't think anyone who has not read the books
    Deserves to judge. I have a great relationship
    With GOD. The books are fiction, but I am willing
    To bet that somewhere out there, someone has
    Gone through something like this.
    The fifty shades trilogy is way better than some
    Crazy book about Vampires.
    I hope they make it into a movie. The author has
    Been approached bu a couple of producers, so they say.
    posted by Bzyszy
    on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm
  609. Phillipians 4:8... Enough said.
    posted by Amy
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 12:16 am
  610. @Amy, you think like my Lord! Amen!
    posted by Amy also
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:08 am
  611. @Penny, I very much respect you for your post.
    posted by Amy also
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:11 am
  612. Thanks for your blog post. I agree and thought that I was one of the only ones. I do see some women on here commenting that they are able to read sexually graphic scenes and then "control" their minds to not lust or think about them later. My discernment and instinct say that does not jive with what the bible says about our hearts being prone to sin. It sounds more like denial. I spent a lot of my younger years toeing the lines of sin and thinking that I could get as close as possible without crossing the lines. But the lines got blurrier until I was crossing them. I think a heart that is chasing after the Lord is not just looking for how close it can get to the line without offending God; rather, it is looking to see how much good it can do. And there is a whole lot of difference between those two postures. The bible tells us that we should "flee from temptation," (not just mess around close to it and try to control ourselves) and that we should "guard our hearts." Also, Philippians 4:8 instructs us "what is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think on such things." It sounds clear to me that as much as it depends on us, we should be careful what we put into our minds.
    http://www.mindbodymusings.blogspot.com/
    posted by KJC
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:31 am
  613. I'm curious if any of you who feel so strongly against it feel the same about a book like Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers? It's one of my all time faves, but many of the same arguments could be made for not reading it. Or do you consider it acceptable because she is a Christian author & it is obviously not so sexually direct or a taboo story line? I'm truly curious & not trying to start a comparison of any sort, just curious if your thoughts are in regards to all romance or just erotica type.
    posted by Heather
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:33 am
  614. I have a niece who when she was young was a very contented child. She never complained much about anything. She was happy and I would say fairly convinced that she had a good grasp of reality. Then one day her mother noticed something that shocked her. As they were walking down the street she pointed out a playground she thought her daughter would enjoy. Her daughter looked in the direction her mother was pointing but for the life of her she couldn't see what her mother was pointing too. Her mother took her to the eye doctor and soon found out that her daughter had horrible vision. The girl didn't know she couldn't see well. She was contend with the perspective she had always known. And she was mortified at the prospect of wearing glasses. But when the doctor fitted her with new glasses she was suddenly very amazed and very pleased. Her eyes were opened to what she never knew was there.

    The same happens to all of us. We are each accustomed to our own perspective and from what I've seen many of you are perfectly content with your perspective of "truth" . But some of you have become aware of something greater. You can try and try for all you're worth to convince others of what you can see. But until their vision is corrected and they can properly see they'll be hard pressed to understand. In their blindness they will make the same mistakes we've all made...they'll sin just as we all still do. Not one of us is able to open our own eyes so we must never forget that our increasingly correct vision is not of our own making. Instead we must keep joyfully and humbly telling others our stories and hope that they seek out the One who can open their eyes through the reading of His word and the faith of believing it in it's entirety. And the good thing to remember is that it is a never ending process! Like Penny said. One Christian learns one lesson and shares her wisdom with another. Another learns a different lesson and shares what he's learned with someone else. But first we have to stop believing that there is nothing more to see and seek Him! In humility we must listen to the testimony of other Saints and search scripture to know the truth of it.

    There is always more to learn of God and his Holiness! So as I live I am continually being refined. I've seen more than I ever thought existed...and I believe there is more yet to see. I want to see more. I don't want to miss what He has in store for me. I don't want to be content with a shabby version of reality, beauty and life when something greater is waiting to be understood! I now have a taste for the greatness of God. I now understand that there will be no time in my life when I can say, "I fully understand" because I'll never fully understand until the day I die and I go to meet my Lord. Then I will fully see. Until then we all must strive to learn from each other.


    In this case I must agree with Dannah and the others here who have had their eyes opened to this matter. They see what God has shown them. I've seen it too. It isn't a matter of superiority. What we've seen has been made known to us so it isn't of their our own worth or credit. The word of God, both old and new, is filled with the facts on this matter. Many of the scriptures posted throughout this thread are excellent references. If you want to see the perspective we've seen...read them. Go to the One who can make your eyes to see and your heart believe. Ask Him to show you what we are telling you we know. We don't want you to believe because we want to be the ones who are right. We want you to believe what we are saying because it's so beautiful...so good. What good would it do for any of us to become puffed up with our wisdom? We are the same as anyone else. We are only people who once were blind...more blind than we are now. But someone else may show us a thing or two some day. And we'll be in the same position that many of you here are in today. We'll be needing to cling to humility and listen in order that we may learn from the wisdom of someone else. I'm ok with that. As Penny has said, the rebuke of a righteous man is life!
    posted by Marris
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 2:31 am
  615. I'm not reading "Fifty Shades of Grey" because I already read "Madame Bovary." I also don't "trend" read, and I'm not interested in TMZ, ET or Access Hollywood. These things do not help me achieve the things in life that I wish to achieve: a peaceful home; a settled and contented heart.

    My husband and I enjoy our sex life very much because we are interested in being intimate with each other; we are interested in in value: "...whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable..."
    :)
    posted by Emily
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 9:57 am
  616. This post is hilarious. Are you joking??? I can't quite tell if this is satire.

    You need to get your face out of the bible and out into the world a little more.
    posted by Fran
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 10:26 am
  617. I have not read each comment on this, though I've read many...
    Marriages are made between humans...humans SIN! LOL Humans lust, and humans cheat and humans explore ideas and emotions that are sinful. Marriages in which one or both partners do not acknowledge the human feelings and sins of one another are delusional. As I don't know any of the posters here, I will offer a disclaimer of such, however MANY of the "Christian" couples or individuals I know are the exact people engaging in BDSM and bondage AND cheating on their spouses... physically or thru lustful thoughts of others (if that's a sin).
    Your (any of your) refusal to read a book of FICTION based on sexual desire do so because you know your response will be arousal. SEX and AROUSAL are physcial conditions - part of being human. I am unaware that by being Christian, all physical pleasure must be sinful to you. Do you not enjoy nice meals, or a cold pool of water on a hot day?? These are also pleasureable physical sensations...
    posted by atheist me
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 10:58 am
  618. @marris, exactly we learn from God! And we take what we learn from his teachings and make our own decisions! And by the way why is it that peoples' who's comments agree with yours, are the ones who have their eyes open? Again, many of you are saying you are helping other Christians to stay clear of something sinful. However, this is YOUR JUDGEMENT of the book ( one of which many of you have not read! ). Whos to say that some people who have read that book do not have their eyes open?
    And @kjc, you say that people sound like they are denial? Again your own opinion. How is it all of you have become leaders of psychology and religion and so on? It's just judgement after judgement and assumption after assumption. People do have self control, this is not denial. Just because some people become addicted to pornography and erotica, does not mean that they all do, in my opinion! (I'm not professional, just as many of you are not as well)
    In the end God created us with a mind of our own and gave us a life to have experiences. It is that individuals decision to choose which experiences are ones for them. And yes some people make decisions that are not good for them in the long run, but there are ways to come back from it. So yes,if you are not the type of person who can read a book, and can't get the images out of your mind then maybe don't read this book! But that is not the case for everyone! And people need to start remembering this!
    It is getting ridiculous with people quoting the bible and making analogies as if they are a professional in human psychology! The bible can be read in many different ways, and even each priest takes a different perspective on the bible passages in their masses! As well, even if you we're an expert in psychology and how the human brain works, you would know that anything is possible and that peoples brains do not follow a statistic. So even if the brain was programmed to not be able to love properly after lusting after pornography and erotica, that does not mean every person would be effected by this! There are so many stupid statistics out there about everything someone does! And that does not mean all hope is lost of a statistic tells you it is! Think about it! How many people are told they won't be able to get over a disease or walk, and they overcome it!
    SO MANY OF YOU MAKE PEOPLE SOUND LIKE WEAKLINGS! Like we can never achieve anything of value if we do not follow the bible to the word! This is ridiculous! I'm a christian but I do not have to follow the bible word for word in order to be a good person, have a good marriage or have an amazing life filled with joyful experiences! (again this is all just my opinion)
    posted by Lacy
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:05 am
  619. For those saying you have to read the book to be allowed to have an opinion, it has been categorized as erotica by both the author and the publisher. That's enough for many of us. I don't have to watch a pornographic movie to have the opinion/belief that Christians shouldn't watch them.

    These comments defending the book are sadly unsurprising. So many "churches" these days don't teach the truth and we're seeing the outcome of that. It's also very clear that many (not all) of the negative comments are coming from people who are incredibly defensive which usually signals an internal struggle.
    posted by Guest
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:22 am
  620. Yes it is erotica! No one is denying that! And no you don't have to watch pornography or read erotica to have the opinion that Christians shouldnt be reading or watching it. But guess what you don't have to watch it or read it, to have the opinion that its not going to make you a bad christian to do so! I had that opinion before I read the books and still have it after.

    And why do people commenting defending the book, means that they are defensive? How do you come to that conclusion? Maybe it because people are commenting because they are frustrated with people who are constantly guessing at the worlds end and telling people what they are allowed to do as Christians!

    You say churches aren't teaching the truth! Really? Churches have adapted over the years, this I agree! But really you say they don't teach the truth? So everyone is wrong but you?
    And what outcome does everyone say we are seeing? Can you say sensationalism? Stop watching CNN everyday people! They put on what gets headlines! News stories that are horrible and sad are the ones that get most attention, which makes the news report every horrible story they have! It's not a sign of end of days, it's just more media in our face the there was 50 years ago. Bad things happened back then, but many just didn't talk about it.
    It is just a book!
    The biggest problem this world has is the hate people have for what other people choose to do with their lives! I don't go around condemning people for be strict Christians or for choosing a different religion or for what they choose to do with they life! Its people who condemn others for their behaviors and crest sensationalism that cause problems, in my opinion! And that is what I dislike!
    posted by Lacy
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:42 am
  621. This is all phsyco-analytical B.S. It's a book. that's it. You better quit listening to the radio, and watching tv, and going in public, cause you might have a "unsavory, evil thought which will cause you to go to hell. Pull your head out of your bible and get a life and smell the fresh air as god intended you to. Do not judge people for what they read or write, just turn the other cheek. Do you work in the Vatican, are you skilled and educated in the interpretation of the bible, I doubt it. This is why our blessed USA is going down the toilet, because of hypocrites like you, everybody is drinking the " I am a big shady, listen to me ". Get a life, I am now as dumb as you for reading your article.
    posted by allen
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 12:21 pm
  622. I am a 33 year old married man. I begin by stating this so those who read this post will understand the perspective from which I am coming. As I’m sure everyone knows by now, men are visually stimulated. For Christian men, and please understand that when I use the term Christian, I am not referring to social Christians – those that claim the title only, but do not want the “rules” – rather to the true followers of Christ who, although they struggle, stumble and fall at times, strive to follow the teachings of the one and only Lord God, the time we are living is very difficult because of the constant barrage of images directed at us via billboards, magazine ads, television commercials and programming. Throw in the immodest dress of most, yes most, women and you may understand how difficult it is for a man to keep lustful thoughts and images out of his mind. I can still vividly recall some filthy images that I viewed as a young teenager, images that I now with wish weren't there, but this is a price I must pay for my sin at a young age.

    Mrs. Gresh is correct in her defense of her position not to read these books. The images produced by your imagination can seem just as real visually to you as actually watching it onscreen. The lustful desires involved with being aroused by this type of literature is just as physically stimulating and emotionally charged as the sexual arousal that is shared between you and your spouse in a loving and caring marriage. If this isn’t the case, please explain Penthouse Letters. This publication was not directed toward the emotional and romantic needs of women. It is directed at men, visually stimulated men. Does the fact that it is written word and not photos make it alright for me to read? Absolutely not! If I came home with a copy of Penthouse Letters you better believe that I would be finding somewhere else to sleep that night, as my wife would not allow me to stay in our home with that trash! The fact that it is written and not actual images does make it any less pornography. I have too much love and respect for my wife to look at or read that kind of material, and she feels the same way.

    As one person’s comment stated above, yes the bible does say “something” about judging, but it is with regard to judging sin, not the person. As Christians, we are to hold other Christians accountable, which is a concept that seems to have gone out the window in this age of relativism. I admit it, I still struggle with lust, and if I’m honest about it, I probably always will. That does not mean I am sinning (in this area), unless I allow myself to. Scripture puts it this way in James 1:14-15, “but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” Now that is pretty powerful! If my own evil desires produces sin and death, then it only makes sense to follow 1 Thessalonians 5:22, “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” When looked at in this context, it is absolutely true that this kind of material is very harmful as it is only written for self-gratification and self-pleasure and is no different than watching pornography, no matter how much you try to rationalize or justify it. Remember, as Christians, we are not held up to the world's standards, we are held to a much higher standard, God's holy, righteous, just, and perfect standard. If we would look at our actions in light of God's standard, something I also don't do as often as I am supposed too, I believe we would be in much better shape as a body of believers.

    I, as a man, a husband and father, couldn’t be more proud of my wife, and all you other women who have made the decision not to read this type of material. It is perfectly acceptable to pass judgment on these books without having read them. Any argument to the contrary would be like saying you shouldn’t judge a porn movie with having watched it first. How ridiculous would that be? Sinful is sinful, no matter how many shades of grey are covering it up.

    @Marris – your post was beautifully put and I couldn’t agree with you more. Sadly, until our eyes are opened to the wonders God has for us, we will continue to walk around blinded by every “shiny” object that Satan would put before us.
    posted by C Graham
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 12:55 pm
  623. I won't be reading because from the beginning when I read what it was about, I knew deep in my soul, it was wrong. It's not a holier-than-thou position I have, just a discernment position. Its good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
    posted by Rudy
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
  624. @Lacy, love the posts and all of your points are fantastic..You also state them with much class. I don't look at it as negative, just defending the fact that those of us that choose to read a fictional novel should not be classified as sinners or insulted. I caught the little quip after my post about being in denial. I mean really? That is just reaching. Yes I can control any wild thoughts although I also agree with human nature it's there for many regardless. I even advised the previous poster that she did a good thing by putting the books down because by her own admission she is a recovering sex addict. In that case porn or erotica is not a good thing for her just as alcohol is not good for an alcoholic. You just can't generalize your own experience for an entire population. I had discussed other sins in previous posts (gluttony, sloth, wrath, etc) no comments on that. I respect how others want to lead their lives....I wish our opinions were equally respected without any quips about being less of a Christian.

    You made so many great points and this one I love : (A big Amen from me b/c you are right)

    Its people who condemn others for their behaviors and create sensationalism that cause problems, in my opinion!
    And that is what I dislike!

    I read the posts throwing out scriptures like stones toward others they disagree with or insinuating they live their lives better and it reminds me of that movie "The Mist" by Stephen King....Human nature is far much more scary than the real unknown monsters were out in the Mist..Stephen King always does a great job when it comes to the dynamics of characters and human nature.

    And you are right, bad things like WWII and 'genocide' went on back in the day..Bad things have always happened throughout history - environmental as well...we capture more criminals now (to which are seen televised) b/c of our advancements in DNA etc - The media is a complete circus when it comes to anything.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 1:55 pm
  625. @Marris...

    I've met Nuns more forgiving and open minded than you. Ministers, Reverends & Pastors alike. Keep on your path but please don't proclaim to know what is right or to generalize for the rest of us......you can't possibly do that.

    So were Churches teaching 'the truth' during the times when the Old testament reigned? If you can state every scripture was the word of God, (the stoning of women to death, etc)..I have to wonder what kind of God you are worshiping. I made a choice to believe most of the New Testament however I'm not so dense as to think a human hand has not been involved in the clean up (as with writing the Old Testament) therefore injecting a bit of conjecture in here and there. Scriptures have multiple interpretations as well as contradictions. We just have to do our best to be moral; be good human beings and allow the word to comfort us and guide us yet ultimately make our own choices. Each persons journey will differ and that is OK. Not every thought in any person's mind is 100% pure. That is what makes us human after all.


    If we all looked onto to what another claimed before making our own choices and without discerning things on our own; we would never know more than that 1 person.

    With that said, I think I'll find my own path and my own truth. I respect yours...please respect mine.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 2:01 pm
  626. I'm an Atheist. What's our reason fr me not reading it?
    posted by Robert
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm
  627. @Robert 50 Shades started as Twilight fanfiction, so 'Ana' and 'Christian' started as Bella and Edward. That is, an eternally underage boy and a girl who only comes to the age of majority in the very end of the series. That means this was written as pedophilic erotica, and the author is a very very sick woman. Is that a solid enough reason? I wasn't planning to read it because of the content, but learning that it was originally written about underage children and only later edited to avoid copyright issues gave me another reason to avoid it entirely.
    posted by C.Lily
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 3:29 pm
  628. Robert, Christians here are warning other Christians about the sinfulness of this kind of material. Unless you have faith in Jesus, there is no hope for you to be holy. No one can be holy apart from Christ. That means every evil deed you do as well as every good deed you do will be considered worthless in the end. Any effort not covered in the blood of Christ is a waste of time.
    posted by Hann
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 3:58 pm
  629. Read the whole book series before passing JUDGEMENT. It is not porn, like @yfaith has said, this is about a man who is leaving behind his awful past for this woman. He is learning to love, and is no longer into that lifestyle. This whole blog and the comments are ignorant.
    posted by None ya
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm
  630. @Robert..I have friends that are Agnostic, Christian, Atheist, Catholic, Jewish and *gasp* Muslim - do note that many Muslims practice in peace for those that are thinking of the middle east only. I am not so arrogant or ignorant to limit who my friends are just because our view may not coincide at times. I would never ever suggest that you can't be holy because of your views because I don't have the answers as a human. I have my faith and know that I do ALOT for others when I can...whether it be my time, financial means/donating or volunteering. I firmly believe in the 'do unto others' ...their choice in faith or not to have it is a personal choice. I respect that in my fellow mankind. If someone wants to ask me something, I will answer with what I feel is best from my point of view as that's all I can provide. I can not say if it's right or wrong for everyone as it's my own opinion. As a Christian I feel it would be so much less of me as a person not to welcome your point of view and your question. Your opinion matters as much as any other on here as well as your right to post.

    Where the book spawned from, I admit I don't know. What it contains is a lot of Erotica to the point of it being deemed as 'mommy porn'...the argument is solely based off that and dismissed as being sinful and causing impure thoughts. Those of us that actually read a book before crucifying it have realized yes..indeed there is much erotica in this one and if reading erotica disturbs or causes you to partake in an immoral lifestyle then we agree you should stay away. Those of us that feel so strong in our faith or ourselves that we are unwavered by such a book have chosen to read it. We feel it is harmless fiction..not worse than many other things out there. However we acknowledge there is an underlying story to which is one of an abused male that learns how to love in different ways than he starts out so the erotica is not the only thing in this book nor what it's about. I do feel the blog and some of the comments and insults are made out of ignorance as well as less than Christian behavior being displayed with the insults but hey...we all sin differently right? It doesn't make it less of one just because one felt they were doing it out of 'love'....name calling and insulting is flat out not right. *Warning* others that are like minded about the content of erotica..fine. However condemning that choose to read it or labeling it a 'sin' without even reading it is seen as sinful to me. To each their own I guess.

    I would encourage you to make up your own mind and realize not all Christians have forked tongues. Some on here (and their methods) are giving the rest of us a bad name.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 5:05 pm
  631. For those saying you have to read the book to be allowed to have an opinion, it has been categorized as erotica by both the author and the publisher. That's enough for many of us. I don't have to watch a pornographic movie to have the opinion/belief that Christians shouldn't watch them.

    These comments defending the book are sadly unsurprising. So many "churches" these days don't teach the truth and we're seeing the outcome of that. It's also very clear that many (not all) of the negative comments are coming from people who are incredibly defensive which usually signals an internal struggle.
    posted by Guest
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm
  632. @C.Lily

    I sure don't know how it started but your comment literally made me laugh. Twilight itself is about a vampire, werewolf & human in a love triangle. Their ages are no more real than the mythical creatures they are depicted as. With that logic, Edward is merely frozen in his 17 year old physical form. Technically he is actually just shy from being over 100 since he was turned in the early 1900s LOL! His behavior and mannerisms in the book are those of a person well over the age of 17. If anything wouldn't Edward be a pedofile? What in the world is he doing in high school for the billionth time? He's also been to college already..

    Let's not forget that Edward and Bella do marry and come together in the last book (they are NOT under aged - Bella doesn't even want marry (it's on Edwards terms at first since he's from another time) and it's Bella who tries to seduce him and talk him into intimacy before marriage. Bella is 18 and close to 19 before changed) - they even create a half human/half vampire baby. Let's also not forget that Edward wanted Bella to abort as the foreign fetus was slowly killing her and said if it was a baby she wanted, he gladly offered Jacob the chance of giving this to her. LOL! Interesting. I guess the insinuation isn't bad but the outlining of the deed with details is? There was much in breaking dawn that is quite bizarre.

    Ah but I digress..I'm afraid in 'vampire land' his age is pretty irrelevant as well as his CHARACTER as he's a VAMPIRE! Your argument is rendered as pretty insignificant based upon those facts alone. Talk about trouble separating fiction from reality here...funny!!! Thanks for the laugh!!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 5:39 pm
  633. @Guest..

    Again you say 'Christians' as a generalization. There are different types of Christianity & denominations. I am one too - We have different mindsets. Try to respect differences if that is not too far of a stretch - Please make your choices for yourself and do NOT PREACH TO ME out of what you think I should or should not do as I'm more than sure if I had a peek into your life, I could rattle off many for you to improve upon. THANKS!! moving on.......

    I do feel stating the book is sinful or making judgments about it as an entirety IS ignorant if you haven't read it *however* I have said over and over that if one is not comfortable with erotica or porn then by all means, warn liked minded people of the contents and allow them to decide on their own without comments such as 'less than holy' or 'sinful' or whatever name you choose for them. THAT is a sinful action onto another. Sin is Sin buddy. Or are there rules to it as I asked before? You say I make up my own rules..I guess you are doing the same? Such hypocrisy.

    MY church teaches peace and tolerance...I am not sure what yours teaches to which I find scary. If any of us are coming across as defensive to you or anyone else it's because we are standing up
    for ourselves regarding OUR choices - I don't think many like to be referred to as less than another person because of it. Get over yourself!!...you are a HUMAN! The mindset you are projecting is one that is not far off from Hitler!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 6:02 pm
  634. So if it unpure to read this book, is it pure to read about David's lust and adultery with Bathsheba and his murder of Uriah? Is it pure and proper to read about Solomon's myriad wives? Is it holy to read about the Christian forefathers - Abraham, Caleb, Jacob, Esau, Ezra, Gideon - who had many wives, leaving a great example for how we should live?

    Should we also be leery of all the other items the Bible lists as unclean or unholy: wearing clothing of more than one fabric, eating pig or shell fish, a woman on her period, tattoos, child birth, planting more than one crop on a field, divorce, remarriage of same partners, , charging interest on a loan to a friend, round haircuts or trimming beards, braided hair, women who wear gold or pearls, and incense burned by anyone who commits any of the aforementioned acts.

    For those who have given up reading fiction: which of the resurrection stories do you read and which do you dismiss as fiction? Matthew 28 depicts Mary Magdalene and the other Mary meeting the angel of the Lord. Mark 16 depicts Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of Jesus and Salome meeting a young man. Luke 24 says a group of women met 2 men in gleaming clothes. John 20 has ONLY Mary Magdalene going to the tomb, meeting no one. So which is the real account and which 3 are fiction??

    The Bible contains many lists of abominations, many which were committed by our favourite characters. They were still blessed abundantly and used by God. Decoding the Bible is like evaluating art: it means different things to different people. It would be absurd if I claimed my interpretation of the Mona Lisa was better than yours. So it is with the Bible. That is why 1 Corinthians 13:13 summarizes what remains of the law: FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE. Our words to each other should be born of these items. Faith in our Savior and the hope for us to love one another more and more each day.
    posted by Daryl
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 7:08 pm
  635. God continue to bless you and your home, here in Brazil, unfortunately some women are getting worse in reading and facebook communities that encourage reading, your explanation was very helpful and I will share ..
    posted by Paulo SRCruz
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 7:35 pm
  636. I'm sure it is very easy to have a strong faith when you make it up as you go along. Picking and choosing what you want to believe and then labeling yourself a Christian simply because you like a few verses in the New Testament does not make you a Christian. Not in the biblical sense at least. At best you are a 'christian' in the worldly sense. If you do this you are not even of the same faith as those of us who are Christians in the biblical sense (ie...Christ is our LORD. We take the whole bible as the Truth and as the final authority over our lives, minds and actions. We have agreed with God that sin is sin and that He is the one to define it. We believe the only way to be forgiven of our sin is through the blood of Jesus. We agree that no one can approach God unless he is first covered by the mercy of Christ's shed blood. And we acknowledge God's commands to be holy and seperate from the rest of the world and it's convoluted form of wisdom).

    If you believe any thing other than that truth we believe you are the same as any athiest, jewish person, muslim, hindu, etc. We do not believe you are saved. We do not think your sin whether it's murder, rape or consuming pornography like this will make you more lost than you already are. Likewise, no good deed, no abstinence from sin, no positive thinking...nothing you do will be acceptable to God. Nothing that isn't covered in the blood of Jesus will ever get anyone into heaven. ONLY the blood of Jesus will save a person. Many will claim to know Christ, but by their actions and world view they openly deny Him. There is only one path to heaven. We did not carve out the path. God did. We simply tell others what we KNOW to be true.

    For others to insist that we accept what they believe as being valid and sufficient is to insist that we deny our own faith. How hypocritical. You preach acceptance for everyone except biblical Christians. Trying to insist that we agree with you when you claim that truth is different for everyone proves you have no clue what being a biblical Christian is.

    In this case we believe there is only ONE right way. JESUS defined the way.

    If your world view, or faith differs from what we believe you are not one of us and we will not equate your faith with our own . It's just that simple. If that is the case reading this series will not compromise your faith. It won't condemn you more than you already are.

    IF however you are are a biblical Christian, heed the wisdom given and flee from the sin of allowing your minds to be entertained by unholy liturature like this! There is no grey area in this matter for the biblical Christian. Allowing your eyes, ears and minds to be entertained by erotica, porn etc. is a sin.
    posted by Hann
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 7:43 pm
  637. I could not disagree more with this article. I have read the books and believe me, it does not make me less of a Christian or make me love my husband less. This article made me laugh because the book is ***FICTION***. I am an educated, logical thinking woman who knows that duh, Christian Grey and Anna Steele are fictional characters! Isn't that just crazy that I know it's not real??

    I am saddened by this article because you have passed judgment on the book and the readers without even having read the book yourself. I have read books about child trafficking, drugs, sexual abuse, and other topics, in which scenes were described in detail. I have also had students who have read such books. They need some way to learn about the world around them and guess what--you cannot always shelter them and keep them in a little bubble! Just as you shouldn't live in a little bubble...

    I am a firm believer that we have to know what is in the world to be a part of it and to bear witness to people. How can I witness to people if I do not understand them and their experiences? How can I witness to people if I do not have any way to relate to them?

    How dare you pass judgment and pretend that you know exactly how people are going to act and react. You do not know me. You do not know my heart. You have no business touting your opinion as fact. I know that you did not tell me specifically not to read this book, or any book for that matter, but you are on here claiming that what you are saying is the truth and I'm sorry, it is only one opinion.

    You need to be more open minded. If I was a non-Christian looking at this, I would not want to be a part of your closed-mindedness.
    posted by EnglishTeacher10
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 8:20 pm
  638. @Daryl - One of the best posts I've read!! Don't expect anyone to answer you. It was too intelligible with too many good points. I already asked about the deadly sins & parts of the Old Testament - The response? I had heaps of scriptures thrown at me instead. :/ The same will happen in your case. Your points are spot on and make too much sense. Although I think they (from the Bible) are on to something with the round haircuts! LOL!! Oh and darn that pork!! I can think of many of barbeques I'd ruin with that one. Kidding. You will have someone defining Christianity on THEIR terms yet trying to twist that onto you. Only their ideals apply. No middle ground, nothing. If you are not like this said person, you are not holy and will not be accepted by God or Jesus (as if they can know that lol)....you will not be recognized at the gates of heaven. End of story. Very sad to me that some are so unforgiving and rigid. The sheer audacity at some of the things said really shocks me although it should not by now. I'm so happy I belong to the Church that I do!

    I liked this part best of your post:

    The Bible contains many lists of abominations, many which were committed by our favourite characters. They were still blessed abundantly and used by God. Decoding the Bible is like evaluating art: it means different things to different people. It would be absurd if I claimed my interpretation of the Mona Lisa was better than yours. So it is with the Bible. That is why 1 Corinthians 13:13 summarizes what remains of the law: FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE. Our words to each other should be born of these items.
    Faith in our Savior and the hope for us to love one another more and more each day.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm
  639. @Hann

    Telling me I'm not a Christian by any sort of definition of my interpretations makes YOU LESS of a Christian than I could ever be. That act alone is a sin! No faith is better than another...It so much saddens me to see others that claim to be so holy point at others over fictional literature (of all things!!) and attempt to crucify them with their interpretations of particular scriptures. It's done in a very ugly way to boot.

    'We' believe, we this, we that, you say?...I don't who these self proclaimed 'we' are that state they are the speakers of the truth but their HUMAN opinions are impossibly the TRUTH!! Sounds more like the Mafia or what Hitler spewed to be honest.

    I embrace ALL religions and I feel God and Jesus are so much merciful than that of which you project. I'm not sure who you are worshiping....I'll agree we worship in such different ways to which I feel proud to be who I am. I feel the real overall message radiates one of acceptance. Maybe I stand alone in that thought but I'm still keeping it because more than ever I believe in it. I will pray for my heart to be continue to be humbled as you are the last thing I would ever want to project or be seen as. I am ashamed we share the same faith as I feel it's distorted and filtered as well as fitting to your own rules in your eyes. Not one person is asking you to change your faith or have they??...Only to be accepting of their own choices as we respect yours!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm
  640. @EnglishTeacher10 - your points are excellent as well. I completely agree. One person referred to the person who wrote 50 shades as a pedofile b/c the author started out as a fan fiction writer using Edward and Bella from Twilight. The twisted logic borders on insanity..With that logic, the fictional character of Edward should be branded as the real pedofile as he's a 100 year old vampire in high school..The lines of fiction and reality are ridiculously blurred if vampire & werewolf characters are any sort of a measure. It actually made me laugh.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm
  641. @Hann, I think that has been the issue throughout this entire blog thread. Dannah's wisdom is heard and understood by Christians who are seeking to live God honoring lives. It was meant to edify them and spur them on toward a more holy life and to warn them of the sinfulness of this liturature. But non-biblical christians are taking offense because they don't believe as we do. They are insisting we are of one and the same faith and yet they justify their acceptance of this kind of sinfulness. They think we are talking to them as though we ourselves believe we serve the same god that they serve.

    @Sarah, Daryl and others, you do not serve the same God that I serve. We do not have the same faith. I reject your faith like you reject mine. And my God will reject you as long as you reject Him and His word. Your indignation over this is not something over which I have control. It simply is the way that it is.
    Your issue of being put off because you have been considered "less than christian" is a moot point because you don't get to insist on being included in the salvation and faith of a people who's God and Word you willfully reject. You can try to pick parts of our faith all you want but it does not mean you are one of us. You can use the same terminology but the definitions are completely different. Your worldly christianity is NOT the same as biblical Christianity. Do as you will. Call yourself what you like. But know that the God who Is...the God who created the world, Jesus, will not accept you until you approach Him on His terms. You do not get to define His Truth. He already did that. We serve THAT God...you do not. You serve a completely different god that you have made in your own image and you have named him jesus because you want my God to be the same as your god. THEY are NOT the SAME. They never will be.

    For those who serve the God who Is the grace given to you is not a license for immorality. Do not believe the lies that are propped up as truth throughout this thread.
    posted by Sara
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 9:17 pm
  642. @ Hann .. telling them what they aren't and what YOU ARE .. only brings confusion and anger. Don't tell them what they aren't, tell them who God is and that He created them for a purpose and that He loves them more than they will ever know. Tell them that the only way to get to receive God's love is through the blood that was shed on the cross for ALL of our sins. Tell them that while we were still dead in our sin Christ still died for us. Tell them that no one is perfect .. including yourself - Share your testimony of how Jesus found you while you were still of this world .. and how he showed you love, mercy and grace .. how he washed away all of your sins and how he makes all things new again. That's the way you reach people for Christ by the Word of your testimony.
    posted by mynameisnunyobizz
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 9:42 pm
  643. One should determine what to read not by what they hear about it, what they assume about it, or what may-or-may not be the subject of the story. I read a book because I want to find out for myself what it has to say. Let no one tell you what you should or should not do, figure it out for yourself.

    Since you've already decided not to read it, I can say that the book is no where near as horrible as it might seem, and it has characters and a plot that deals primarily with love, healing, and growing as a person. The main character is messed up, but through the love of a good woman, he learns to overcome his dark past, and embrace a much brighter future.
    posted by Jeffrey
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 9:43 pm
  644. @Sara...

    I guess we do not worship the same God. If that is what you believe I'm fine with that as you have the right to believe as you will. There is one exception...with my God there is a difference. He WOULD accept you as much as me no matter how you figuratively stone those of us that do not agree with your views. The God I worship accepts us both...All I can do is shake my head and feel sad that you have reduced God & Jesus as being unforgiving and overly selective when it comes to humans. I don't have the answers but I believe my God will see inside of your heart as with mine and know who you are...I really don't feel this book will
    make or break the way in. I feel it's pretty miniscule in the grand scheme of it all. Furthermore, I really don't care what you consider me to be or not to be...I am already included and accepted. I feel you are too. This blog is not about *how* we worship. It's about a fictional book. :)
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm
  645. I really cant stand it when people pick and choose bits from the Bible (or any other religious text, for that matter) to back up their own prejudices and dislikes.

    Just because YOU dislike erotica, just because YOU think it's wrong, does not make YOU right! Nor is anyone in the comments who is quoting the Bible right because of it.

    If you don't like it, that's absolutely fine, but you have absolutely no right calling something like this sinful, and neither does anyone else.
    posted by Robert
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm
  646. @ Sara--Shame on you. As a Christian, you have no business making such comments to complete strangers. This is about a book. A choice. So you think it's a sin to read it? Ok, that's fine. But shame on you for what you said and your lack of ability to accept and love those who do not believe as you do. Isn't that what being a Christian is about?
    posted by Englishteach10
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 10:07 pm
  647. Oh PLEASEEEEE! You people need to get up off your self rightous hipacritial bottoms and get a life. It's a book for Gods sake. You all are judging something you haven"t even read. I believe somewhere its written "Judge not lest Ye be judged". You all are no better then the pre WW2 German's being less.by Hitler to burn books one of those being The Holy Bible.
    posted by Dean Adams
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 10:34 pm
  648. So I keep reading that this book is not JUST about sex. That would indicate to me then that it is about sex, just not ONLY about sex. Have you heard the analogy about a little dog poop baked into brownies? Guess what - it ruins the whole batch. For true followers of Christ, this book is out - kinda simple really.
    posted by Pam
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:15 pm
  649. Bravo Sara! Bravo Hann! Finally someone makes a clear distinction between the two "I'm a christian" "No, I'm a christian" camps! Why do you call yourselves by the same name if you don't even believe in the same god?

    @English, why can't she define her faith here? So many others have. Why hate her and shame her and not the others? She obviously serves a different god than the rest of you. So what if she points out the obvious!

    For that matter, muslims don't think we'll go where they think they're going. Buddhist, hindus, jews, satanists, wiccans....all have differing views and they make no apology for it. If Sara has a dogmatic faith that is clearly defined what's it to you? She has every right to make the distinction if she wants with out your shame. And I'm an Athiest and can see that! I don't care if she thinks I'm going to hell cause I don't believe in hell! You don't get to define her faith for her! lol! You make me laugh with your bossy way. Do you know her? Is she a stranger to you? Then shame on YOU for scorning her for doing exactly what you just did to her!
    posted by Missy
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:18 pm
  650. @Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    You made all the points I was going to make! I laughed out loud about the series being based on pedophile erotica. The narrow, ill-informed comments made here are the reason I have stopped attending church. I have seen time and time again people who would rather hide from the world than actually learn how to live in the world as a Christian.
    posted by Going to read the books
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:32 pm
  651. I really cant stand it when people pick and choose bits from the Bible (or any other religious text, for that matter) to back up their own prejudices and dislikes.

    Just because YOU dislike erotica, just because YOU think it's wrong, does not make YOU right! Nor is anyone in the comments who is quoting the Bible right because of it.

    If you don't like it, that's absolutely fine, but you have absolutely no right calling something like this sinful, and neither does anyone else.
    posted by Robert
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:38 pm
  652. @nonyobizz,
    There is no good news without first accepting the bad news. The only ONE who can love someone into the Kingdom of God is God Himself. It's not for me to blurr the lines in the name of love. Truth is truth. There is a definite difference, as Sara has pointed out, between the God I worship and the God others worship.

    I've read through much of this blog thread. Many have shared about God's love, His holiness, His mercy...etc. It's been covered very well both in scripture and in testimony. I said nothing that shouldn't be said more often. As Sara put it, we are indeed serving different gods. I could go through and name all those throughout the thread that speak the truth...but they already know who they are. They don't need my 'at-a-boy'.
    @ Missy,
    Pam used a good phrase, "True Followers of Christ". But no matter what name I come up with someone will be offended. And someone will be there to try to blurr the lines between the Truth of God's word and the wisdom of the world. We believe one of Satan's oldest tactics is to blurr the lines between God given Truth and the lies he would have us believe. From the start his question to Eve was, "Did God really say...?" Causing people to doubt the truth and consider a different interpretation of His words is not a new tactic. To mix lies a bit at a time into the truth seems to work for him... Just look at how many are doing this just in this thread. People take a little of God's word...like, "judge not..." and then proceed to skew the lines between Godly Christianity and their made up faith. And while they do this they viciously come against those who have made a stand for the holy standards God has set and make claims that we're the ones casting stones of judgement. Meanwhile the truth is...JUDGEMENT rests in the hands of God and not one of us here who are standing for the Truth have cast a stone of judgement. The STONE has already been cast.

    Simply put, there are "sheep" and there are "goats". In the end they will be seperated. Because there is a definite difference between a sheep and a goat even though many can not tell the difference.
    posted by Hann
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:51 pm
  653. I should clarify, I believe Sara and I serve the same God. When I said, "we are indeed serving different gods" I wasn't referring to You and I, Sara.
    posted by Hann
    on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm
  654. @Missy...

    If you are the same one that's been posting you are clearly not Atheist (not that I would care) but I feel it's a misrepresentation...Not only that but I don't think an Atheist would even agree with nor care about a right or wrong with 2 Christian 'camps' as you put it..the idea is so ludicrous it's funny! In fact, most of the Atheist friends I do have say things like this board and the postings are the very things that repel them from Christianity at all.

    Furthermore, grouping Muslims & Jews with Satanists is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. You are disrespecting their faith by even putting satanists in the same category as those who do worship a higher being whether you agree with that higher being or not. WOW!

    Englishteach10 never said someone could not define their faith here...where does she say that? Why are you twisting her words? she said 'As a Christian, you have no business making such comments to complete strangers' - She was talking about how disrespectful Sara was in stating God would not accept others and that we were not of the same faith. Sara was clearly behaving as bossy & scornful. I'm afraid you have it backwards. If you want to describe your faith, fine...but telling others they won't be entering heaven based off your own beliefs is blasphemy at it's finest :) - if I ever need an example of the definition of that word, I'll be sure to reference her post.

    No one cares about Sara's faith..it's only that the reference that she is somehow above all others in it. EnglishTeacher10 was entirely right...that is not Christian behavior...It was most certainly not taught for us to behave that way in my Bible classes growing up. Maybe I am not as stringent in my views but regardless I am a Christian Baptist whether you think I fit the mold or not. Sorry! You'll just have to deal with that one! :)

    And please..again.....no one scorned anyone.....shame on her for trying to point out who is going to be accepted by God or who is not. I personally think all that are good beings to which HE can see will be. I must say I have my reservations in entertaining the thought that Sara has this most magical gift of discernment for our Lord. :)

    And remember...God loves you too Missy....even with your new-found self proclaimed Atheism to which has me raising an eyebrow but who knows....maybe you are a different Missy than the one that's been posting. I just could be wrong on that. Peace!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:07 am
  655. So Hann and Sara, you claim I'm a worldly Christian and you are biblical Christians. That your God will reject me. That my faith is inferior to yours. If you had any understanding of the Bible, you would have responded to my comments and not attacked/judged my faith. Please respond to which resurrection account you believe and which 3 are fiction, so I can understand your "biblical Christianity". Which of the other abominations I listed do you adhere to?

    Does your "biblical Christianity" not include 1 Corinthians 10:23 "Everything is permissible - but not everything is beneficial. Everythiing is permissible - but not everything is constructive." Such as reading a book that some may find intriguing.

    Has John 3:16 been removed from your Bibles: "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world." Will their wishes and plans not come to fulfillment?

    Your contention that
    "Likewise, no good deed, no abstinence from sin, no positive thinking...nothing you do will be acceptable to God." So your "biblical Christianity" has a God who dislikes good deeds? That is a God who doesn't care, who is tolerant of hedonism. If you think you are so good, you must ignore Psalm 14:3 - "All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."

    You said your God would reject me. Biblically, this is false. How would your faith allow you to bear false testimony? As John 5:22 says, "The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son, that ALL may honor the Son just as they honor the Father." The last earthly judgement statement Jesus made was on the cross. His worst moment, when He should've been his angriest he said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." If Jesus said this on the cross, you think he will condemn me because I interpret the Bible in a different manor from you? Proverbs 19:2 says: "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge." You don't have knowledge of my heart, so why do you think yours is so much better?

    One can take the biblical view of condemnation, judgement and exclusion and find verses to support their view. Or one can take the EQUALLY biblical view of redemption, acceptance and inclusion and find verses to support their view. Your faith is the same as the Sadducees and Pharisees, which is understandable. One that worships code, laws and regulations over the loving, forgiving, grace-abounding example of our Savior Jesus. I choose to have faith in a God of HOPE and LOVE. He is extremely real. He is someone I meet with daily, hear His good words, accept His enduring love and forgiveness, see His good works and feel His tears for all of us.

    Still, I don't judge you. I look forward to seeing you on that wonderful day when the veil of human interpretation is removed, when all we experience is God's love. The day we can celebrate that we are all in the fold of Christ, because as the song says, Jesus loves the little children, ALL the children of the world.

    Hann and Sara, may the God of you and me bless you today and forever!
    posted by Daryl
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:07 am
  656. How's about people stop arguing and debating faith, and just comment on the blog or the book in reference to the blog. These comments are becoming a life of their own. If you don't agree you don't agree, people should just keep it at that. This is a Christian woman's blog and even though I have different views I'm not coming on here to ARGUE about her opinion or people who agree with her's opinions. If you don't agree or are of not the same faith, why are you on a Christians woman's blog? And if you stubbled across you did not have to argue her views and others who agree with her views to the point that it has gotten.
    Some people, some don't. Give it up already, this is not a debate that will be won and everyone just get on with your lives the way you see fit.
    They should really disable comments if this is what is going to happen. You all are bringing to much negativity into your lives!
    posted by Megan
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:12 am
  657. Sarah, your kind words to me and others are appreciated. Keep on loving, keep on hoping, keep the faith!
    posted by Daryl
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:13 am
  658. for Sara & Hann

    At least Nonyobizz made an attempt to try to be respectful & reveal her views out of kindness. Gotta give her credit for that yet you had to rip it from her. Oh well.

    I totally get that you think we worship 2 Gods by whatever derives you to this conclusion...As you wish...I don't care - frankly I'm glad because as I said, the God I worship accepts you as well as me - Yours boots me out because some of my views differ from your interpretations - I want to call favoritism but hey, this is YOUR God as you put it. *shrug*

    But let me remind you this is NOT about how we worship and I don't care if you think that the heavenly gates will slam shut in my face. Think what you want. Free will. Again...IT'S ABOUT A FICTIONAL BOOK! Not our beliefs!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:21 am
  659. @Daryl - Amen..once again a classy post that didn't tear anyone down. They don't get any better than that. Sadly you won't find much of a response I'm afraid because you are right on all counts. There is nothing to argue with there. I brought up Jesus and the Pharisees at one point too. It's almost uncanny because your words remind me of the Pastor at my Church. Much Peace to you.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:32 am
  660. I have read many of the comments left, probably much more than I should have. I cannot believe some of the judgement and attacks that have taken place between virtual strangers. What I find the most shocking is the pronouncement that there is different forms of being a Christian (@Sara). Last time I checked the only requirement for all Christians is found in John 3:16. No one can decide for someone else what their faith and walk with Christ may be. Because it is not identical to yours does not make that person a different, lesser type of Christian. We're human. It is unrealistic to believe that even if we share the same faith that all our ideals will match up. Take a look again at who Jesus choose as his disciples an companions. They were not the "best" of the community. They argued and differed but their faith in Jesus brought them together. That is how Christianity should be. A religion that is based on acceptance and the desire to help enlighten others to the sacrifice that our lord, Jesus, made to save us from our sins. For not matter how hard you may try to be perfect we are all sinners. Only one non-sinner ever walked this earth and he was Jesus.
    posted by M - Christian who read books to make my own decisions
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:44 am
  661. Lol! Now Sarah is trying to disqualify my own testimony about my belief! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is so rich! She is trying to tell other people that they shouldn't scorn others for their differences in faith or tell them they're wrong but now she's telling me what's wrong with what I believe. I guess I'm not a good enough Athiest! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! But then again what do I know? I'm probably just some immature seventeen year old kid who likes to mascarade as other people! Lol!

    What makes you think I care about the two camps? I am with the rest of your Athiest friends...you're all just a little out there to me! Your confusing with your qualifications! At least the Sara camp is clearly defined! You are more of Syncretist than a Christian. Of course that's just from the view of an outsider who's tried to "get" the Christian crowd. My ex-boyfriend's mom was a Christian so I tried to figure her out.
    No luck there. Lol! But one thing I have noticed, Hann and Sara didn't come across to me as personally judging anyone. What I caught was that their clearly defined god did the judging and they simply weren't wishy-washy about it. I can respect that. That doesn't mean I don't respect others. If you believe everyone's in, including an Athiest,why is it a bad thing that I mention satanists in the same group of other religions? Are they bad? Is their faith in their god not good enough? Why don't they get to get in? You truly confuse me. Either everyone is ok or not. Judge equally if you really believe what you're telling everyone else to do!
    posted by Missy
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:47 am
  662. Sheep and goats...they sound the same but they're different. Nothing wrong with defining the Call clearly! Loved your post Sara!
    You've apparently caught the attention of a professing Athiest!

    @missy, it's a shame you've not been able to "get" us Christians. I am in agreement with Sara. There are two groups claiming the name. One makes a god for themselves by picking and choosing what they want to believe. The other believes the whole bible. We vary in our convictions but there are definite clear cut no no's on which we do not waver. We don't believe any of scripture is fiction.
    As for the different accounts of the resurrection, the only way I can explain it is like this: When there is an accident or something, the police take statements from bystanders who witnessed it. Each person will give an account of what they saw. They may even fixate on details that others did not notice. One might notice that the driver was on his phone. Another may notice that he had a cigarette in his mouth. If both do not testify to what the other saw do they discredit each other? Of course not! The officer puts the details given all together and writes his report. That is how the gospels work together. When viewed all together we get God's intended account. They don't contradict each other.

    For those who think this blog is just about a book, you're wrong. Yep, I said it with conviction. You're wrong. The whole reason there are differing views is because there are differing faiths. If the faiths aren't clearly defined then no one knows what in the world all the fuss is about. Case in point...Missy and her confusion about the term "Christian".

    Sara, I'm thankful you (and Hann too actually...as well as many more) called attention to the big white elephant in the room. The two camps of christians will never agree because they serve two different gods in two different faiths. The foundations are not even the same. I'm happy that you were bold enough and forthright in expressing it.
    posted by Wayne
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 2:13 am
  663. Syncretism "1. Reconciliation or fusion of differing systems of belief".
    I had to look that one up. Yeah, Sarah, I think Missy might be right. Your are more of a Syncretist. You seem to take a little of this and a little of that and blend it all together. That isn't the same as being a Christian, even though there may be elements of the Christian faith that you've adopted in your own faith.
    posted by Kay
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 2:33 am
  664. So Wayne, God allowed his inspired word and inspired witnesses to have different accounts of the most significant event in history - the resurrection? Call it what you want, it is a contradiction. I agree with your analogy, that climatic events spur divergent accounts. But this only happens because vision, memories and human recording systems are flawed. If God was a witness to a car crash, he would not get the details wrong.

    The Bible is divinely inspired, yet it is still written by human hands, hands that are not perfect. No different than if I write a book inspired by and about my father: it will have parts he likes and others he could do without. The fact that you and I have differing images/impressions of God is not exclusive to this era. It was present during biblical times as well. Peter and Paul disagreed greatly with each other, but neither suggested the other's faith or God was different/false (as Hann and Sara have). The Qumran Scrolls - the closest documents chronologically to the biblical era of Christ - have been adopted by many groups as evidence of their faith: Christian, Essene, Judaism and Sadducean. This clearly demostrates the appeal of the same God to a vast array of belief systems. This does not equate to the multiple God theory being proposed, simply the mass appeal of a great Lord and Savior.

    Another analogy: if you and I play golf together, we will play to different levels, use different equipment, take different routes to the hole, but still end up in the same place. To say you are playing tennis because of the differences would be ignorant of the truth. We are both playing golf, just in different ways. Same goes for the faith in our God.

    Not once have I said anyone here is not a Christian or doesn't believe in the true God. I would appreciate the same from my brothers and sisters in Christ. Unless of course, the golden rule is not part of this "biblical Christianity" I keep hearing about.
    posted by Daryl
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 2:53 am
  665. It´s called porn and it´s called emotional porn.
    posted by Susie
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 6:32 am
  666. Thanks for Dannah for reaching out on this hot topic! I've been searching for a Christian perspective on this book but hadn't found one yet. My bookclub has been talking about reading it and I've been very uncomfortable with the subject matter. Now I have this perspective to back it up!
    posted by Kate
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 9:07 am
  667. Wow..I read through all of this mess and feel sorry for Sarah reading 50 shades and Daryl because of all of the hateful comments you guys try so hard to discuss with dignity but I'm afraid you are dealing with people that definitely do not practice as they preach. In fact its so bad that me and my coworkers are apaulled at the responses and those trying to say they are better somehow. That's not Chritian behavior as I know it either. Again what a hateful group is all we could reallly say. As for the book.yes. Just fiction though I have not read it.
    posted by Karen
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 9:15 am
  668. Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written aboutb long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lordc delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 1Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.

    Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

    These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

    But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

    But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

    Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.


    Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

    It seems to me they made distinctions back then too. Seems their views were pretty strong. Sara and Hann are doing exactly what scripture tells them to do.

    Daryl, you are a corrupter of the Christian faith. The fate of those who do such was mentioned a time or two in scripture. Read it. Believe it. Repent.
    posted by Wayne
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 9:48 am
  669. There is a growing trend in the "christian" churches today. There are a LOT of Syncretists. I'm finding more and more that people do not believe the bible is the inpired, inerrant word of God but rather they choose a few concepts that they like from it and mix it with the concepts of other religions and call it "christianity". But it isn't Christianity. And the God of their faith is NOT the God I serve and worship either.
    posted by Mari
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 10:10 am
  670. I read the books. And everything you said makes sense as to why you wouldn't read it except your last reason. The book has BDSM in it, but the book is about a relationship...not BDSM. BDSM is actually portrayed in the book as a crutch and coping mechanism for a man who had a very rough time as a baby/toddler and somewhat growing up. The female character is so taken with this man that she looks past some of his issues and helps him into having a normal relationship with her...without having to use BDSM. She doesn't consent to being tortured and humiliated and you would know that if you had done more research instead of just assuming you know what this book is about. It's about finding yourself and making comprimises for the person you love.
    posted by Mandy
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 10:33 am
  671. Wayne, thank you for your confirming the words I read this morning:

    Romans 12:14-16 "Bless those who persecute you, bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited."

    and Matthew 5:11-12 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

    I pray for you Wayne and look forward to the day we will live in harmony. God bless!!
    posted by Daryl
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 10:44 am
  672. "whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." Philippians 4:8
    posted by Mary
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 10:47 am
  673. Mari: as I stated earlier, we all pick and choose some things we like, yourself and Wayne included. You choose to ignore several verses I have quoted, despite their being part of the inpired, inerrant word of God. You have adhered your beliefs to the verses of judgement and condemnation as is the trend in "christian" cults of exclusion. Yet this pride is still not big enough to preclude you from entering the promised land, nor is my tolerance of all my brothers and sisters.

    Again, God bless!!
    posted by Daryl
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
  674. I haven't ignored th verses you quoted. I simply choose not to engage you in a discussion about them. There's a huge difference.
    posted by Mari
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 11:38 am
  675. Thank you so much for posting this. I agree completely about this book, and like you, haven't wanted to get involved until I heard some close Christian friends indulging in this book publicly. It is very encouraging to know that there are many other women who agree.
    posted by Kristen Scott
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm
  676. I'm a college student coming from a christian home. Many of my Facebook friends have been reading this book and I recently heard that there will be a movie coming out. I had been thinking about at least seeing the movie before I read this post. Even those who disagree with the initial argument make the point of the author. The book contains explicit content which could ruin my view of my future husband. My boyfriend used to have an issue with porn but I praise God for bringing him through it.

    I believe that temptations hit people differently. For example, a recovering alcoholic is much more tempted to drink than someone who has never tasted alcohol. The same goes for this. Someone who has fought this temptation in the past knows they shouldn't give in and read this book.

    While some may not see it as porn, that's sadly what it is. For those of you who are Christians and enjoy romantic novels, there are many Christian authors who wrote books about romance and leave out the sex and sadism.

    Also, comparing it to twilight is a very poor attempt to rationalize your choice to read the book. However, it is your choice. And I didn't see this article as a judgement, only as a warning, which I for one am grateful for. Thanks you all for looking out for Christian men and women.
    posted by Bri
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm
  677. Discernment and judging are not synonymous of each other... and should not be used as such. The Holy Spirit gives us discernment to help us in overcoming darkness in our lives.

    I commend you Dannah on your blog... you used biblical truths to back up your reasoning as to why you won't read this book... and I have to say that I agree with you. I won't be reading this book either... and the scripture that comes to mind is Galations 5:17-21

    "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in the time past, that those who practice such will not inherit the kingdom of God."

    For me, reading this book could keep me out of my inheritance as a child of God... something that I am not willing to give up.

    The Bible also says that "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." No one is passing judgment on anyone who has read the book. The Bible is truth... and you can't pick and choose which truths to believe... either you believe the entire Bible is true, or none of it. Time is running out to be lukewarm... if we stay lukewarm, the Bible says He will spew us out of His mouth... scary stuff!

    Thanks again Dannah... I will post this on facebook! God bless you all!
    posted by TruthisVictory
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:23 pm
  678. I do not think the article refers at all to unbelievers, so the "judging" accusations are a bit judgmental themselves. The article is written for those whose desire is to grow in the Lord, and who search out truth, purity, holiness and discernment from those considered as mentors. It is wisdom for young and new believers to do so, as well as those mature in the faith.

    For Christians to bash other Christians calls for a hard look at the origin of all accusations of the brethren. We are called as believers to "encourage one another" in the faith. For some, that may include book or movie reviews. Especially helpful to those who truly seek to honor God's word from Philippians:

    Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
    www.shariengland.blogspot.com
    posted by Shari England
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:31 pm
  679. @Daryl...Mari won't engage you b/c she can't. That's so easy to see. 'Zeal without knowledge' as you once said...I love that one! I had posted one prior (one of many).....no one manages to debate nicely - they want to keep stoning our beliefs..it's about what 'they' believe and how 'they' worship a separate God and those of us that don't think as 'they' do will not be accepted. I see they have picked up a new word to which is now their new weapon of choice - Oh how some things indeed make me smirk...Syncretism! Well gee..isn't that the definition of the Old and New Testament when you think of it?
    ==
    this was a past reply of mine that only got scriptures thrown at it. There were others to which I brought up the Old Testament etc. All we can really do is pray for those who are intolerant and lead by example by behaving otherwise. (as you have done better than me) - Like you I will always keep the faith and not let faceless internet paper tigers silence me no matter how they try to bait
    ==

    Of course there is such a thing as trying to live
    up to the impossible - that is because of the tons of contradictions in the Bible, (including Old Testament vs new) the questions of what is impure, what is not but more importantly? The scrutiny of human beings onto other human beings that claim they live perfect holy lives & 'they' have the answers to which is laughable at best. No human can judge me out of what they perceive. I have only one judge the last I checked. That being is not human.

    It is about what you do. You can't control every 'thought'..how completely obtuse to suggest such a thing. I can bet at any point in time about every person has had a thought that didn't bode well with the 7 deadly sins whether it was gluttony, pride, sloth, etc. And I'm not talking extreme. A soda or a candy bar could be considered giving into gluttony by some people - so is that impure? What about if I skip laundry today? Did I give into sloth? I'm wearing makeup. uh oh...Pride? I was angry earlier due to a conflict of interests with another person...would that be that wrath? I sure did like a boat a friend of mine and wished for a moment I had one as well - oops..was that envy? At Christmas, sometimes we all get or give well above what we should and do not give enough to charities - would that be greed? Some may condemn you to any one of those based upon what they feel coincides with that particular sin and feel 'sorry' for you as they feel you are living less than a holy life. How does it feel to be under such scrutiny?

    You see..with humans it's all subjective and out of conjecture at times - you should DO the best you can. BE caring. BE Kind. BE generous with your words or time or any means you may have. BE gracious toward others. BE sympathetic even when you can't be completely empathetic to another persons plight. BE a good person. If you want to know how Jesus is reflected through us, it's when we as human beings exercise compassion & kindness toward our fellow mankind through our actions. THAT is what he taught first and foremost. I hardly feel Jesus would feel condemning over a literary selection to which is subjective would be putting any of those actions into place. Sure, warn other Christians of why you would choose to stay away yet understand that many may not see it as you do nor perceive themselves as unholy as a result. Jesus is forgiving and He taught by **not** sounding self righteous. Let's not forget the company Jesus did keep and how he went about spreading the word of God. It was the self righteous (HUMANS) who felt Jesus was not leading as God would see fit and thus had him nailed to a cross for what they saw as betrayal - And still....Jesus forgave us before God would destroy us all..

    I sure am glad in this day and time, no one can nail another to a cross although the negative words toward others can seem that way figuratively speaking.


    Read this ::

    The Pharisees charged that Jesus was "a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners" (Luke 7:34). Even though Jesus belonged to the middle class, he reached out to people of the lower class. On one occasion Jesus said to some religious leaders in Jerusalem, "The tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you" (Matthew 21:31).

    It's not hard to see why the Pharisees and others were upset that Jesus had table fellowship with people who were morally questionable. These individuals were profiting by disobeying the command of God and betraying their own people. They were what the Old Testament calls the wicked, unworthy to be part of the people of God.

    Now, if Jesus had fellowship with tax collectors and sinners in order to preach to them, the Pharisees would not have fussed. After all, who would have objected that tax collectors and sinners were forsaking their sinful lifestyle, making restitution, and seeking a life of righteousness? The Pharisees believed that God offered forgiveness when sinners repented. They could even rejoice that a wretched sinner saw the light and was converted from a life of debauchery.

    But what infuriated the Pharisees was that Jesus was not explicitly or directly asking tax collectors and sinners to do any of this. Some of them no doubt did repent, such as Levi (Luke 5:28). But Jesus seems to have accepted them as they were and was freely having dinner with them without requiring that they first clean up their lives.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm
  680. @Missy..

    Whew. Once again I'll be brief. I had a common encounter with the 'other' Missy to which I decided she was not worth engaging with.

    you say :

    If you believe everyone's in, including an Athiest,why is it a bad thing that I mention satanists in the same group of other religions? Are they bad? Is their faith in their god not good enough? Why don't they get to get in? You truly confuse me. Either everyone is ok or not. Judge equally if you really believe what you're telling everyone else to do!

    ==

    my response ::

    Because Satan is the opposite of God. You choose God or you choose Satan. It's a distinctive choice between all that is light or that of which is dark. The religions mentioned are all of which that worship a higher and moral power. Christianity, (with the many denominations to which could fit the definition of syncretism as well) Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish...etc are all faiths that worship what they perceive as one that promotes 'good'....Satan is an entity that is entirely the opposite of anything that is good. Why don't you read this article..and you tell me......

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/1691088/Teens-eaten-by-satanists.html
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm
  681. I agree that we have a matter of semantics at the core of this discussion.

    I do not align myself with the kind of christian faith that doesn't believe the bible is the infalible, authoritative, fully inspired word of God either. I do not believe people who say they know Christ but deny the Words of the bible really know Christ.
    We're not just dealing with adiaphora here. This discussion is for the most part about different faiths all together! I say this because it isn't just dealing with grey areas of the Christian faith like politcal persuasion, drinking alcohol,playing cards, dancing or dating etc. We're dealing with core doctrine.

    "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." Jesus is the Word of God. He was the one who created the heavens and the earth and all else that is...with his Words. When someone discredits the bible they deny Jesus the Word in flesh, the creator of all. This is a core doctrine in my Christian faith. For those here who think nothing of reiterating that they feel the bible has errors, we can't depend on it, we can't define truth cause it's different for everyone, we can't make a stand for truth because we invalidate our own faith...etc. you are wrong. You are wrong at the core doctrine of the Christian faith that I hold to. So yes, we are talking about at least two different kinds of "christian faiths". The Christian faith I hold to agrees with Penny,Marris, Hann, Sara, Wayne and others here who have spoken what I consider the absolute truth, including Dannah the author of this blog.

    The lines between biblical Christianity and the faith represented here as the 'christian faith' need to be drawn clearly and consistantly without shame by those of us who know the TRUTH...Jesus...the Word...God. There is only ONE WAY. There is only ONE Truth!
    posted by GodIS
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm
  682. @GodIS

    Ooooh. So those are grey areas with the 7 deadly sins however with literature of choice, all is clear cut. Interesting analogy but alas..HYPOCRISY. Sorry but sin is sin. Especially in your context...there are NO grey areas. There's a ton of scriptures to back that up, but at this point I don't feel the need.

    And it's not about different faiths...It's about how we choose to worship to which I respect everyone's ideal to which I would never have the audacity to say that you will not be welcomed by our Lord & Savior. Just because it's YOUR way doesn't mean it's THE way but I'm sure God respects the fact that you are a God fearing & good person regardless - *if* that is in your heart. Peace! :)
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm
  683. To Lori Crank (above): You stated that God asked you to give up reading all fiction. I do sincerely hope you'll rethink that. I am a CHRISTIAN author! My new book "The Hillbilly Debutante Cafe" is first in a series. It is nothing but GOOD, CLEAN, FUN! I really think you'd like it.
    It hurts to watch books like "50 Shades" reach the bestseller list when authors like me struggle because we don't write 'erotica' or other trash.
    Even my church family across the nation hasn't been very receptive to my second book.
    My first book "False Victim" was a psychological thriller based on a true story that happened to us. I sold movie rights and it was on Investigation Deiscovery as well. It was a very intense, scary story that did very well. The Hillbilly Debutante Cafe? Not much....I am finding out the hard way that although Christian women say they WANT good, clean, fun - what they really want is the trashy and the questionable.
    I am praying that you'll give me a chance.
    hillbillydebutante.blogspot.com
    posted by Kathie Truitt
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm
  684. Thank you SO MUCH for this. So much truth!! It's not just a book or for fun...we are opening doors for the enemy when we subject ourselves to this type of thing! Thank you woman of God for allowing Him to use you!! #speaktruth
    posted by Gina
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm
  685. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

    Honestly. Best laugh I've had in awhile. Thanks.
    You people and your fictional books...Love you!

    Trololollololololol.
    posted by lololollolol
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 4:27 pm
  686. I just had to peek at this blog again. Preeeetty much the same but worse and i would not think that was possible. Now there are two Gods I see LOL!! we have the right Christians and the wrong ones. What a comedy. This is what keeps people like me from even getting close to a Church. ANY Church. I don't want to be near people like this. Turns my stomach. Just keep beating each other up. For some us we are just eating popcorn and reading at how you show what acting like a Christian is all about. yuck but this is more entertaining than fifty shades because its real life.
    posted by Melissa
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm
  687. @sarah, your god allows everyone in to his paradise except the satanist?

    My god allows only those covered with the blood of Christ! Not one person who rejects Him will be allowed to enter.

    John 14:6"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
    John 3:17"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

    Different faiths...different Gods!
    posted by GodIS
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm
  688. I have read 50 Shades of Grey. At the time it was a nice escape from my sad life. Since I have read them, I have found that I craved more erotic fiction. Then it progressed to same sex erotic fiction. I struggle to free myself from these chains.
    posted by Elaina
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm
  689. @GodIs..

    I believe God can see inside ones soul. I believe that God knows who you are and...who you are not. Your intentions, etc. The God I believe in is forgiving and understands there is unintentional confusion at times due to science, many other faiths, those repelled by faith for various reasons, those with abused pasts that may feel rejected by God...an array of things. This does not make them bad or evil people....I feel both God & Jesus are just a bit more kind than as how you have identified with them to which saddens me. I am surely not familiar with how a satanist worships but by the sound of it, it seems to be of something to which a person chooses to bond with Satan/Lucifer so that's a different category all together *in my view*. That is choosing evil and admitting to embracing darkness in your heart. Other faiths are still genuine at heart...Do you feel God condemns a Buddhist or a person of the Jewish faith to hell? I sure don't. I know so many of the Jewish faith that are pure of heart so I could not fathom that. I feel we all have a faith to which we identify with the best and embrace....I feel THE ACTUAL TRUTH will be revealed in the end. Maybe I am wrong in what I believe..I could never be so blase to say I'm perfect or have the answers.....I do know that I am a good hearted person to which treats others as i would want to be treated and I do know that counts.

    I know you just want to keep entertaining this over and over and over - sigh. Nothing will change. I know you truly believe that when I arrive to heaven, the pearly gates will slam shut in my face with a drop door to straight to hell over my views. That is completely your opinion and I won't lose sleep over that. Just know I don't feel that way about you.

    However you will have to live with the fact that we differ and there are MANY that believe as I do; with a more forgiving nature. It's not a different faith lol...but call it what you will. Like I said free will....we choose to worship differently. :)

    This is the very last time I will elaborate on how I choose to believe...No matter what there are going to be disagreements and some will have to pay attention to their own lives and move on from mine as intriguing as mine must be. :) Why you are so obsessed with how I choose to live or why it seems to anger you so much is something you will really need to deal with because continuing to badger or insult won't phase me. I sure pray you don't live so negatively day to day...it's not good for your soul. Peace and light!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm
  690. I have read all three books, and yes it is not suitable for kids under the age of 18, so thats parents faults. Reading these books, did not hurt my marriage, and what people do in their bed room is there own thing, I love the books and cant wait for the movie. reading the books does not make me a bad wife or person.
    posted by Jessica Brock
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:25 pm
  691. I am reading them too. Definitely for a mature reader not kids. I don't think I'm going to hell either lol. at least i hope not over a book let it be for something better than just a book. how lame lol
    posted by Tiffany
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm
  692. I had never heard of this book, but then again I only read the Bible and devotionals and Bible study type books. This book sounds horrid and a shame! We are told to focus on good, pure and wholesome things and not things like this. Thanks for being courageous enough to make this post.
    http://ozarksstitching.blogspot.com
    posted by Michelle
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm
  693. Ya'll.... Really??? WOW I hope the lord opens your hearts and makes you see all the Judging you are doing right now and everyday, just quit it, its pushing everyone away from feeling comfortable coming to Church... SHAME... shame on you...
    posted by lmbo
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 9:58 pm
  694. I am so glad to be an atheist, you people are crazy, Billy Joel said it best...
    "They say there's a Heaven for those who will wait Some say it's better but I say it ain't I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints The sinners are much more fun..."

    If there was a heaven and a hell, my hell would be going to your heaven.
    posted by Jim Hendel
    on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 11:54 pm
  695. ooohhhh... the time you spend sitting reading whatever it is... Is time you can spend with your love ones... If you need the sexual stimulation, good for you, if not good too, but let me tell you that before you waste long hours reading this book or any erotic book, just cut to the chase and go get some PORN DVD with sadism and domination theme... save yourself some long hours sitting reading... thrash
    Most women wouldn't dare to go to an adult store to get a PORN movie... but they would walk into a public bookstore to buy this book or even worst, put your name on a WAITING LIST fr this book... This book will suck time of your life you could invest in better activites.
    posted by Nancy G
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 12:02 am
  696. @Nancy

    Some people do not equate this book to porn as it has a story and some enjoy the entertainment it provides & are not bothered by the sexual content it has in order to enjoy the full story. For them it's not trash. I'm reading it and there is much more to it than the sexual content, that is for sure. I would much rather read this book than to view porn (porn doesn't contain the story this has I'm afraid and I'm not looking for that kind of gratification) - so in my mind they are not one in the same in the very least.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 12:25 am
  697. First of all, I dont think you should judge people who read the books if you aren't going to read them yourself. Read them yourself so that you can see that if you read all 3 books, that they are NOT about sex. Yes, there is alot of sex in the books, but the books are about the Christian Grey evolving into a better man and going away from the dark things he has been into for years. Sex is very important in a marriage and because of some of the graphic sex in the book, has made my sex life better with my husband. Why would God not want that? Shame shame shame on you for judging when you don't even know what you are talking about.
    posted by turtle8529
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9:21 am
  698. Haha. 50 Shades of Gray is the new Smirnoff Ice for Christian Women, most have tried (read) it, but will deny they ever did.
    posted by Sara
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9:22 am
  699. And also, please stop comparing it to porn. Reading words (as story) that someone wrote (about 2 people in a monogamous relationship) is NOT the same as watching a nasty girl have sex with multiple partners on TV just to get turned on. Yes, she has sex before she is married, but hey, at least she is not in highschool like some of these other books (uh hmm...Twighlight).
    posted by turtle8529
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9:26 am
  700. please note, there are two people going by the name Sara here.
    posted by sara
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9:57 am
  701. Yes. I am definitely not the other Sara.

    "But know that the God who Is...the God who created the world, Jesus, will not accept you until you approach Him on His terms."

    I guess I should have read the previous comments before choosing a name. My Jesus, accepts everyone and meets everyone where they are, no matter the condition of their soul...even those who don't realize they need him yet. His love is unconditional and undiscriminating :)
    posted by Sara2
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm
  702. Yes there are 2 Sarahs posting as to why I distinguished myself as 'Sarah who is reading 50 shades' as to NOT be confused with 'Sara' and her views EVER and to make my thoughts on it the subject known immediately.

    I agree 'turtle8529'...it's nowhere close to being porn for me either..just an extreme ..*very* extreme comparison made by some.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm
  703. Oh wait there are 3 Sara's? Looks like I agree with Sara2.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm
  704. I believe so...i posted this, this morning (without reading previous comments):

    "Haha. 50 Shades of Gray is the new Smirnoff Ice for Christian Women, most have tried (read) it, but will deny they ever did."

    I changed to Sara2 to be less confusing, not sure if that worked, ha!
    posted by Sara2
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm
  705. I just wanted to say that for those of you giving up fiction, DONT! There are SO many great Christian fiction writers out there. All you have to do is search for them.
    posted by Adrianne
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 2:40 pm
  706. I believe so...i posted this, this morning (without reading previous comments):

    "Haha. 50 Shades of Gray is the new Smirnoff Ice for Christian Women, most have tried (read) it, but will deny they ever did."

    I changed to Sara2 to be less confusing, not sure if that worked, ha!
    posted by Sara2
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 3:20 pm
  707. For what it's worth, Song of Songs was considered erotica during its time period... and now it's in the bible.

    "The Song of Songs was written circa 900 BC, in the northern dialect of ancient Hebrew, by an author of unsurpassed literary ability, adept at the techniques of alliteration and polyprosopon, able to create the most sensual and erotic poetry of his day, and all the while incorporating into his work a subtext critical of the Judahite monarchy in general and Solomon in particular" Noegel and Rendsburg, Solomon's Vineyard: literary and linguistic studies in the Song of Songs, (Society of Biblical Literature, 2009), p. 184

    And before you accuse me of it, I'm not reading it either. But only because it doesn't interest me.

    For those of you looking for good non-fiction, I recommend "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, and "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris.
    posted by Michelle
    on Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm
  708. I am in agreement with you, Dannah. I teach and preach that we are to keep our hearts and minds set apart from wickedness and even the appearance of evil. I teach it because the Word of God taught me the same. And I believe in the Word of God...all of it.

    2 Tim. 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,"

    Teaching- all the doctrine I believe and teach comes from the word of God.
    Rebuking- we are accountable to the highest standard...God's...which is laid out for us in scripture.
    Correcting- human kind naturally is prone to wander. We need correction in our thinking and reasoning because we do not think like God.
    Training in righteousness - by constant application of Godly principles taught in the Word of God we train ourselves to be holy.

    When the validity of the Word of God is undermined by false teaching there is sure to be errant theology.

    I find so much of this blog is filled with errant theology. But I am very thankful for posts like Penny's, Hann's, Sara's, Godis...and others. I'm with you in this. And I believe God is with us too. His Truth will prevail. Keep praying. Keep believing. Keep speaking the Truth in Love. Keep the faith guys!
    posted by OnlyoneWAY
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 12:11 am
  709. I find it interesting that people can make their opinions about something without knowing all the facts.

    As for the comment about there being no storyline..there is. A man who was abused (doesn't know or understand how real love works)meets a woman who in the series changes him. She shows him what true love is, what it means and what it should look like. Yes, there is sex and some BDSM in the book. BUT IT IS NOT THE WHOLE BOOK! She isn't into it until later. More so when they are engaged and married (sex between a husband an wife can be explored in diff ways and try new things.) But the series is about this couple, their journey together (not just sex.) He actually is romantic, she was a virgin and at the end it talks about their children and life together etc. She also has a job amd they talk about that (which he supports.)

    So I just think its a bit odd to comment on something where you don't have all the information. I also think its sad the way women have judged "I feel very sad for these women who read it." I really hope this blog entry and these comments are coming from a good place and not using this as "religious umbrella" to pass judgement. AND for the (Translation: It is sin.) So is gossip and lying (which everyone does.) Last I checked, no one had the right to judge us but God and honestly I'm thankful for that.
    posted by Nicole H
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm
  710. I find it interesting that people can make their opinions about something without knowing all the facts.

    As for the comment about there being no storyline..there is. A man who was abused (doesn't know or understand how real love works)meets a woman who in the series changes him. She shows him what true love is, what it means and what it should look like. Yes, there is sex and some BDSM in the book. BUT IT IS NOT THE WHOLE BOOK! She isn't into it until later. More so when they are engaged and married (sex between a husband an wife can be explored in diff ways and try new things.) But the series is about this couple, their journey together (not just sex.) He actually is romantic, she was a virgin and at the end it talks about their children and life together etc. She also has a job amd they talk about that (which he supports.)

    So I just think its a bit odd to comment on something where you don't have all the information. I also think its sad the way women have judged "I feel very sad for these women who read it." I really hope this blog entry and these comments are coming from a good place and not using this as "religious umbrella" to pass judgement. AND for the (Translation: It is sin.) So is gossip and lying (which everyone does.) Last I checked, no one had the right to judge us but God and honestly I'm thankful for that.
    yahoo.com
    posted by Nicole H
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm
  711. @Nicole

    I definitely agree and have been quite surprised at how it turned into a forum about discussing how others worship to which I left my very last comment on that topic as I won't entertain that anymore. The entire inclination that some are better than others is getting pretty old. It's just a fictional book and yes, contains erotica. If people would get more involved in doing for others and being better/kinder people with this kind of passion, the world would be a better place.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 2:06 pm
  712. I praise God daily for people like you, Dannah, who are willing to stand up and be heard for the truth! I'm in agreement with your origional post and those who uphold the truth of the Word of God in it's entirety. I, too, believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God and that our doctrine of holiness has been established by HIM. I believe He will judge and condemn those who reject the Truth and I believe He will save those who are covered by His blood...only because they are covered by His blood, not because they were "good people" according to man's assessment of what is good.

    The bible is the reason I reject unholy things like this book. The bible is the reason I will not back down from this position. Thank you for all those who know the truth and are willing to stand up for it and proclaim it without taking on the shame of those who would rather have us be silent on matters like this. Keep preaching the TRUTH! Preach it and LOVE!
    posted by Rehn
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm
  713. I am 17, and am greatful that I have parents that are in my life. And make sure I do not read bad books. Which I think this is a bad book. I've posted this articel on my face book page with this coment.I'm saving my self for the man I marry.
    posted by Annabelle
    on Friday, June 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm
  714. I can not believe the number of women that are ok with this book.

    I think it is just the day inwhich we live in. Coming back to Sodom and Gomorrah as the Bible states.

    I do feel that women are more ok with this kind of "garbage" because they are lacking a good man in their lives.

    I read a great book called "Captivating" and my husband read "Wild at Heart". These books talk about how God created a woman to be like His tender heart and man after the strength of His heart. Women crave for a man to "rescue" her, and man craves to rescue a "beauty".

    If anyone wants to read a great book, I would suggest these. And of course the Bible. What better relationship is there than the one between Creator and His created child? None.

    Thank you for taking a stand!!
    facebook
    posted by Brenda
    on Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 11:09 am
  715. @Brenda..

    Sorry but in my eyes that sounds more like garbage as it stereotypes men to be one thing and a female to be another as in gender roles. Many of us are modernized more than that. I'm not saying it wasn't a decent book but I would not enjoy that at all as I loathe gender roles to a degree. I enjoy my independence way too much and my ability to choose. And it doesn't mean we don't have fantastic men...Mine is a hands down hard working (as much s I am) and gorgeous guy to which we share an emotional bond as well as kids. Some of us are not living in the 50's nor would we want too....*shiver*...I don't want some guy rescuing me unless I don't have another option naturally (as in literally)...That sounds like Old Testament baloney. I read 'outside' of the Bible and Christian writers..oooh I'm such a deviant.....LOL - I'm actually shocked that there's a certain breed of women left that reflect a time to which we were not equal. We still strive for it completely today.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 3:05 pm
  716. Thanks for the tip, Brenda. I may check that out. :)
    posted by kay
    on Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 3:41 pm
  717. Actually I think I'm more clear on the nutty mentality now. Only those covered in blood allowed into heaven and I guess doing good on Earth counts for nothing because you must live every moment by the Bible to which has HOW many interpretations and contradictions? Gee why don't I just become a serial killer lol!! (KIDDING) But now I see what we are dealing with...It's like these people are stuck in the old testament views which SADDENS ME! What a terrible way to live but Ok. Now I understand the virtual stoning and crucifying because this was something that took place during a much different time to which some are choosing to live in and again Ok. But don't blame me for wanting more out of life for myself. And as for my boyfriend being the one to rescue me??? I am the one who rescues me! I am a very open minded strong female to which is equal to a man anyday. Not only am I very pretty & fit but I'm intelligent as well. If any guy wanted me for my looks alone, that's not the right reasons. Sure we ALL (women too) are physically attracted at first but if there is nothing more going on? Time to move on....You must have chemistry with who you choose as a lifelong partner or it's not going to work PERIOD. Not some "I am the man and you are the woman" way of living or mindset. That is just so not me. That makes me feel sick and so sad for all of the women who fought for our rights through the years to be reduced being shoved back into a kitchen with no regard as to what our thoughts are. Good luck on that one because I'll never choose it. Guess according to some of you I am going hell. Oh well!!!
    posted by Amanda
    on Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 8:43 pm
  718. The Old and New Testaments are amazingly intertwined. The Law given in the Old Testament was meant to drive all of man kind to Christ...the only one who could live up to the standards of the Law perfectly. God's ways are so much higher than our own yet human kind is constantly thinking throughout history that they can be good enough and righteous enough to reach and please Him. There is no one who is good enough...except Christ.

    In Micah 6:8 it says, "What is the whole duty of man? To do justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." Because God is the creator of the world and all there is, He is the one to define what is good and just and merciful. God knew when he gave the Law that no one was good, no one was just, no one could ever fulfill His will. So He worked salvation for us. The creator Himself became a man, lived a perfect life, died a horrible death, suffered the wrath of God the Father to atone for the sin that we committed and rose again, freeing forever those who put their faith in His name, Jesus. He defined mercy in the person of Jesus. All of salvation hinges on the name of Jesus. ANYONE who calls upon the name of Jesus, no matter what you've done, will be saved. But the key is faith.

    These next verses are taken from Romans 10. "And that message is the very message about faith that we preach: If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. As the Scriptures tell us, 'Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.' Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”
    But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, 'How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!'"

    "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." Heb. 11:6

    "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see" Heb. 11:1

    Satan does not want people to see the harmony of the testaments because he does not want people to connect the dots. He doesn't want people to see and believe. He doesn't want people to realize the beautiful story of God's creation, the fall, the humbling, the salvation given, the victory over death and the reign of Christ at the end of the world. What Satan wants is for people to think they can make up the rules of goodness and righteousness as they go along because in doing so they do not realize their need for THE Saviour. And truly people make great efforts to make an earnest attempt, but alas, no amount of trying will make a person right with God unless they come to Him on His terms. His terms are that we accept the work of Jesus on the cross, believe in Him and repent.

    When people undermine the validity of the Word of God the truth is lost to them because they have no faith...they refuse God. What so many don't realize is that Jesus IS the Word of God. So to deny the Word of God is to deny Jesus. This is exactly what Satan wants. But God wants YOU! HE loves YOU! So many of those here are here to tell the truth, because HE sent us. We do not shrink back from telling the truth because the Truth of God's love is life to you.

    I know that so many refuse God's word and Jesus as the only way. But we believe that by the preaching of God's word, spiritual eyes that are blind can be opened. And Satan knows this to be true too, that is why he prompts so many to be hateful to those who speak the truth and that is also why he seeks to stifle the Truth. He knows that Faith comes from hearing the Word of God!

    Listen all you who have ears to hear! God loves you! He want's you to come to Him. He has made a way for you in the name of Jesus. Jesus is the only way. His blood washes away all sin from your heart no matter how bad it is, so that you are able to stand in the presence of the Lord on the day of judgement. And when the books are opened and we are called to account for every deed both good and bad, and Satan is there to accuse us, those washed in the blood of Christ will have HIM standing there speaking for us and paying for our sins. But those who reject the Word of God, JESUS, will not have that same outcome. He will say to them, "Depart from Me. I never knew you."

    Salvation is a free gift. When we accept the terms of God's salvation and are saved we are now a new creation. Our hearts are new! We are given a new nature, a spiritual nature that says, "Yes" to God. We begin to reject the wrong and choose what is right.

    Dannah and many here are simply holding out the Truth of what God has said. She is teaching about what is wrong and encouraging people who have placed their faith solely in Jesus, people who are NEW CREATIONS to choose what is right. New Christians often don't know what is right and wrong because they have not learned from the powerful Word of God what wrong is yet. But those of us who have come to know God and have learned what His expectations of righteousness are teach and preach the truth to others so that they will learn to choose holiness and reject unrighteousness.

    Things like Fifty Shades of Grey, pornography...anything that glamorizes, glorifies or beautifies wickeness to make it seem less wicked should ALL be avoided and rejected. Reject the wicked way instead of the Godly counsel given here.
    posted by GodIs
    on Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 11:32 pm
  719. @YFaith, I think what you aren't getting is that us parents who refuse to read this book DO monitor what are kids are reading and watching. The Bible tells us that the mind is the Devil's workshop. We are to be in the world not OF it. We are to stand apart and be separate. They should know us by our fruits and I could keep going but I won't. I have no doubt that this book is about more than sex but commending a girl for waiting until she is 21 to have sex outside of marriage??? I did the same but still felt guilty when it did happen. As Christians, we are to monitor closely what we take in and what our minds dwell on. Any sort of compromise is still compromise. No we aren't all perfect. Yes we all make mistakes but getting upset over a Christian taking a stand for what they believe is upsetting....especially by another Christian. Sin is sin...it doesn't matter if it has "more to the plot than JUST sex outside of marriage." Maybe it's me turning into my parents or maybe it's me becoming what God wants us all to be but before I watch, read, or listen to anything, I ask myself, 2 things. 1) If Christ walked through my front door right this second would I be OK inviting Him in to watch this movie or show with me or to join in reading this book with me and 2) Is it something I can watch with my kids in the room? Can I listen to it with the kids in the room? and would I read it to them or be ok with them reading it and if the answer is no to either or both of those question than I have a moral responsibility to not partake of it myself. We live in a " don't do as I do, do as I say" world and that turns off children more than anything. We are to be their example and their guiding light. My daughters teacher wrote a children's book and I will not let her read it. If I hadn't read it first, I wouldn't know there were things in there I felt were to mature for my 8 year old to be reading. Most of us who have said no to reading this book monitor just as closely if not more closely what our children watch and read. When they are adults, that will be between then and God but God has given us as Christian parents the obligation and the honor and the responsibility to bring up our Children in a Godly manner. A little compromise here and a little compromise there leads to a lot of compromise in the end.
    Much Blessings
    Mary
    posted by Mary
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 2:18 am
  720. @YFaith, I think what you aren't getting is that us parents who refuse to read this book DO monitor what are kids are reading and watching. The Bible tells us that the mind is the Devil's workshop. We are to be in the world not OF it. We are to stand apart and be separate. They should know us by our fruits and I could keep going but I won't. I have no doubt that this book is about more than sex but commending a girl for waiting until she is 21 to have sex outside of marriage??? I did the same but still felt guilty when it did happen. As Christians, we are to monitor closely what we take in and what our minds dwell on. Any sort of compromise is still compromise. No we aren't all perfect. Yes we all make mistakes but getting upset over a Christian taking a stand for what they believe is upsetting....especially by another Christian. Sin is sin...it doesn't matter if it has "more to the plot than JUST sex outside of marriage." Maybe it's me turning into my parents or maybe it's me becoming what God wants us all to be but before I watch, read, or listen to anything, I ask myself, 2 things. 1) If Christ walked through my front door right this second would I be OK inviting Him in to watch this movie or show with me or to join in reading this book with me and 2) Is it something I can watch with my kids in the room? Can I listen to it with the kids in the room? and would I read it to them or be ok with them reading it and if the answer is no to either or both of those question than I have a moral responsibility to not partake of it myself. We live in a " don't do as I do, do as I say" world and that turns off children more than anything. We are to be their example and their guiding light. My daughters teacher wrote a children's book and I will not let her read it. If I hadn't read it first, I wouldn't know there were things in there I felt were to mature for my 8 year old to be reading. Most of us who have said no to reading this book monitor just as closely if not more closely what our children watch and read. When they are adults, that will be between then and God but God has given us as Christian parents the obligation and the honor and the responsibility to bring up our Children in a Godly manner. A little compromise here and a little compromise there leads to a lot of compromise in the end.
    Much Blessings
    Mary
    posted by Mary
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 10:43 am
  721. I've never read anywhere in the bible where it says that the "mind is the devil's workshop". But it does say, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?". That is why it is such poor counsel for people to tell others to "follow your heart". It tells us that there is wisdom in the counsel of many. That is why we teach others what is good and right...according to what is said in God's Word.
    posted by Mari
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  722. OK, so I wasn't going to post but I can't stand it. Who are you to judge me? I am a Christian woman. There is nothing wrong or broken about my walk with God. I am a married woman and I love my husband with everything that I am. I have read ALL THREE books in this series and I somewhat agree with YFaith in her comments. However, here are my thoughts...

    I DO NOT read for sexual gratification or self pleasure - why do you assume that is what women are doing when they read these books? And personally, when I see, hear, feel, smell, ANYTHING that makes me think of sex, the one I absolutely lust for is my husband. I do not picture other men, I do not want to touch other men, I only lust for him....so does that make my lust wrong? If something I read happens to increase my desire for HIM - my husband - does that make it bad/wrong?

    I understand that some people should abstain from doing things, watching things, reading things that will cause them to sin. Those "things" are different for everyone though, we all have our own demons to avoid, things that make us lose sight of our God. Reading about sex might be your demon, and may cause you to have lust in your heart, but for someone else it could be reading about cooking - and you may laugh, but I'm serious. This is a twisted world and the things that conjure up lustful thoughts for some people could be things that you read every day. So don't judge. The person sitting next to you may be reading the following:

    How beautiful are your sandaled feet,
    O queenly maiden.
    Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
    the work of a skilled craftsman.
    Your navel is perfectly formed
    like a goblet filled with mixed wine.
    Between your thighs lies a mound of wheat
    bordered with lilies.
    Your breasts are like two fawns,
    twin fawns of a gazelle.
    Your neck is as beautiful as an ivory tower.
    Your eyes are like the sparkling pools in Heshbon
    by the gate of Bath-rabbim.
    Your nose is as fine as the tower of Lebanon
    overlooking Damascus.
    Your head is as majestic as Mount Carmel,
    and the sheen of your hair radiates royalty.
    The king is held captive by its tresses.
    Oh, how beautiful you are!
    How pleasing, my love, how full of delights!
    You are slender like a palm tree,
    and your breasts are like its clusters of fruit.
    I said, “I will climb the palm tree
    and take hold of its fruit.”
    May your breasts be like grape clusters,
    and the fragrance of your breath like apples.
    May your kisses be as exciting as the best wine,
    flowing gently over lips and teeth.

    Well, I don't know about you, but this is Hot! And it's straight from the Bible. This is a guy describing a woman he desires. I don't know about you, but the Song of Solomon makes me think of nothing but sex. Does that mean I shouldn't read it? It's in the Bible. What do you think that the purpose of this book is? Remember when someone important said - It is okay to be angry but do not sin...?? I think we all know who that was.

    So fellow readers I say - Go ahead and READ but DO NOT SIN! You cannot isolate yourself from the things of this world. How will you ever reach those that need to know Him if you are out of touch with everything around you because you've stopped reading, watching, hearing, and living in this world? Be in the world but not of the world....or you will miss those who need Him the most. The prostitutes, the thieves, the liars, and the LEAST OF THEM. You can go ahead and sit at home and surround yourself with Godly things and Godly people....as for me - I'm going out there, I'm getting my hands and feet dirty and I'm going to guard my heart and try not to sin while I live IN this world, so that at the end of my life I can hear...."Well done my good and faithful servant, well done."
    posted by C B
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm
  723. Thank you for the encouragement, Dannah. In this day and age there is a lot of counsel coming from the world that has infiltrated the church. The "modern" teaching is that God is ok with the blurring of the lines between right and wrong. The Lord will rebuke those who do so. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20.

    It encourages me that there are so many people here who have upheld Godly standards. It is an encouragement to me because the world speaks loud and long it's lies and half truths. I will find wisdom in God's word. I will demonstrate right living because I know God's standard of holiness rather than the convoluted interpretation of those caught up in "living in the world". I will not be blurring the lines.
    posted by K.W.
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 1:19 pm
  724. Amen, K.W.! Amen, Dannah!
    posted by M.D.
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm
  725. @CB

    I agree 100% with you..I just quit because no matter what they will not agree with me NOR will I agree with them. I had amazing and fantastic points, so did Daryl and many others but it doesn't matter. These that choose to condemn are not on the path of Jesus if you ask me. They are pretty much the same as the ones that crucified Jesus except they are doing it with words and with some sort of false indignation. They claim to have the answers but they are merely human as you and I. Telling others they don't get it, etc....now it just makes me laugh because THEY don't get it. I respect their views for themselves..definitely not for my life. (I would leading a very *very* boring life) - Maybe some live much more stringently than others...that's fine but they don't know who is going to heaven or elsewhere. That is so preposterous in itself to suggest such a thing as human being. In their eyes sin is sin without grey areas so I feel confident to bet money somewhere that what is sin in our eyes may not be in theirs and vice versa..I also bet that any of us can find scriptures that suggest back up our points.

    So with that said, I firmly believe it's about what you DO in life and how you treat others. But as for what they toss out? Just a shame as hiding behind self righteous words only makes me wonder further as to how they live up to all that they say or even lead their lives in regards to others. I'm just glad to see many strong minded people managed to find this forum and post how they feel as well.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 3:55 pm
  726. Dannah, Thank you for your words! It is always my prayer that others will see Jesus in me. I want the world to seem Jesus being more powerful in me than my flesh. With His Spirit I will continue to strive to be an overcomer of the world and of fleshly sin...even secret sin. It is always more easy to resist and easier to desire to overcome when others like you speak and encourage us in the WAY. Thank you, thank you, thank you for all you do!
    posted by Luv'n Jesus
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 5:48 pm
  727. @GodIs, Thank you! I was blessed by your post!
    posted by Luv'n Jesus
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 5:52 pm
  728. Holy unto the Lord. That is what I desire to be. I couldn't do it on my own... in my own strength or worth. That's why I need Jesus. That's why everyone needs Jesus. Now that I've been made holy through the cleansing power of His blood I will strive to honor Him in all that I do. Including my choices for entertainment. I know I'm not perfect...but that doesn't mean that my efforts to honor Him are worthless...they are my spiritual act of worship. Rom. 12:1 "I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship." I choose to worship God with my obedience to His call to holiness. Praise God for those who taught me this!
    posted by HisFirst
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 6:04 pm
  729. What an amazing thread. I've not read through all the comments but what I've seen has opened my eyes.

    I am guitly of the compromise. By allowing my mind to dwell on unholy things I've dishonored God and for that I am sorry. I'm so thankful for all those here who have taken seriously the difficult task of judging and holding the body of Christ accountable. Even though you don't know me you were speaking to me and God's word has not come back void. The funny thing is, I know all this stuff. But one compromise leads to more and greater compromise. I actually found ways to justify my actions/choices like so many here who are trying to do the same. Father forgive me! I'm so thankful that Jesus does forgive me. I'm thankful for this blog.
    posted by C.F.
    on Sunday, June 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm
  730. I have read so many of the posts talking about this book. The Bible says, "that there is nothing new under the sun." Ecc. 1:9. I am a sexual abuse survivor and a sexual abuse counselor for almost twenty years now, and I have struggled with where the sexual/erotic line should be within myself and within any godly woman. I have had countless conversations with people on both sides, and my conclusion is always the same. Engaging in any sexual/erotic activity outside of marriage damages one's soul. I Cor. 6:18 says, "All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body." I have witnessed and experienced the damage that can take place engaging in sexual/erotic activity outside of marriage. It is horrible, heart-wrenching and all-consuming. I have wept and wept not only for myself but for the many others who have endured this pain. Please take these words from the bottom of my heart, you do not need to know about the shades of gray. Just a thought, the title is already showing you it's purpose?
    danascounseling.com
    posted by Dana
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 9:24 am
  731. I agree, Dana. I am a sexual abuse survivor too. Pornography was a problem for my abuser. And his problem was made to be my problem.

    The title of this book does in fact reveal the intent of the Enemy...to blur the lines between right and wrong. Look how many here are actually defending it. Broad is the way that leads to distruction. Not many will understand the narrow path or accept it for what it is. For those who have understood the Way, please do not make yourself a willing victem of deceit. Don't participate in the greying of the lines beween the God given gift of Sex described in SOS and the corrupt and perverted version in Fifty Shades of Grey.
    posted by A.R.
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 10:55 am
  732. Division, lies, and lack of peace are sure signs of Satan's presence. I see lots of that in this blog. Be careful, Satan is like a roaring lion waiting to devour. Words are much more powerful than pictures; this the Bible teaches. Written, and spoken words are very powerful weapons. Be alert.
    My sister was verbally and physically abused by her husband. Till this day, she says the bruises heal but the words still cause her pain to this day.
    See what one book is doing. If this book is causing this much division, I WON'T be reading it.
    posted by mary b
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm
  733. I totally agree with YFaith. A book is like a movie and only entertainment really. I completely disagree with you Dannah Gresh although I respect your opinion. Some people may not be able to handle watching porn and reading erotic books but I think that MOST people know that it is just a story and wont let it interfere with their relationships at all. To even suggest that reading something like this and having a thought about another man (Random thoughts pop in our heads and we cant help it if we see somebody attractive to us) is like cheating on your partner is ridiculous to me. Acting on them thoughts IS cheating. We think millions of thoughts a day and just thinking about something is so different from DOING it. I am sorry but Its just really very silly to me. I mean no disrespect in any way. Everybody has their own thoughts and points of view.
    posted by Heather D
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 4:45 pm
  734. WOW...that's A LOT of comments!! Someone said "who cares" as their only comment. Obviously a lot of people!!

    I won't be reading the books. Thank you for your boldness!
    posted by AgreeWithYou
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm
  735. I agree that if you don't want to read it don't That is your right. If you want to read so be it it is not up to you me or anyone else to say it is wrong to be courious. I see nothing morally wrong with fiction or this book series. Yes I and my wife have read tem and it enhanced our relationship. No we do not practice what we read. To use the Bible to condem those who do read it, is in my opinion mis-interpreting the Bible. The Bible itself has erotic imagery and was even considered "racy" at certain time of history.
    posted by Frank
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 6:16 pm
  736. I appreciate seeing so many here voice the truth and encourage others to abstain from reading books like this. I also appreciate the words of those here who have clearly laid out the reasons why they disagree with reading material and entertainment like this. I appreciate that they are not rejecting it for the simple matter of a lack of interest but that they are basing their beliefs upon something greater than mere opinion. The Word of God is indeed the final authority. And for those who are called by His name there is a call to holiness...a higher standard of holiness than the world will accept. This kind of liturature is shameful. I stand with you, and will not be reading it or things like it. Thank you all for the encouragement!
    posted by Penelope
    on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm
  737. Thank you for making your thoughts known. I respect and shre them!
    posted by T.W.
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 11:18 am
  738. Why am I not surprised that a lot of you sound like narrow minded book burning zealots?
    posted by Eric
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm
  739. At Eric - I was going to say something similar but that covers it.
    I'm sure all these people will do is call you satan or something.
    Oh well. I am choosing to live open minded
    posted by Karen
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 1:23 pm
  740. Blessed to read your blog today, Dannah! Keep the faith!
    posted by Tru
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm
  741. I believe you all should read the book before passing judgement. Just bc it is an erotica novel does not mean that is what the whole book is about. I actually found all of the love scenes pretty annoying bc of how many times it happened. I was more invested in their love story. To judge a book based on what you have heard is just plan ridiculous.
    posted by Jenny
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 4:02 pm
  742. It is defintely not your place to be casting judgement, on someone reading a FICTION novel, in a country founded on freedom of religon and press. Whether one is a believer or an athiest; it is their decision on the literature they read. The same freedom that allows you to read The Bible any time and anywhere, is not strictly limited to The Bible. Instead of concentrating soley on bettering yourself, you decide to concentrate spreading your beliefs on to people. When i say "on to people", I am referring to you casting your judgements and outlaying your viewpoints as the way, the truth, and the light. As a Christian, speaking to another "Christian"; I suggest (notice: I say SUGGEST) you should just live your beliefs, morals, and walk of life; rather than harp your judgements, and biased viewpoints.
    posted by Larry Lafeuer
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 6:34 pm
  743. @Larry

    Totally agree! I am not sure why there are some that claim they speak 'the truth'...or know what is best for another human being based off their beliefs. As another fellow Christian I know I can not have the answers..only use the best judgment I can for myself. I practice on 'being' a good person rather than telling others how I think they should 'be'....And I love how you said Suggest :) Too bad that probably won't be contagious from all I've read so far.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 9:14 pm
  744. Essentially, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Choose to read the book or don't. It doesn't effect anybody but you. However, when you get into the territory of condemning other people for their entertainment choices, you are being judgmental and decidedly ignorant.

    I have not read 50 Shades of Grey, but I will. It's been recommended to me, I love to read, and it sounds interesting, so why not? I don't think I should be labelled as "sinful" for that.
    posted by Morgan
    on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 9:59 pm
  745. 2 Timothy 3:12 "In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work"

    Not a surprise that there are those here down playing wickedness. Not surprised that they are deceived and actively spreading deceit by telling others "good is evil (They are saying Dannah and others encouraging abstinence from nasty literature are judging and condemning wrongly ) and evil good (They are telling others that this nasty liturature is something that is ok for Christians to read). NO MATTER! The Lord will rebuke them. For the rest, keep the faith. Seek righteousness. Love the Lord. Honor Him. Speak the truth! Do not shrink back! :) You will reap what you sow. Sow in righteousness.
    posted by TodayifyouhearHisvoice!
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 1:50 am
  746. @YFaith, I think what you aren't getting is that us parents who refuse to read this book DO monitor what are kids are reading and watching. The Bible tells us that the mind is the Devil's workshop. We are to be in the world not OF it. We are to stand apart and be separate. They should know us by our fruits and I could keep going but I won't. I have no doubt that this book is about more than sex but commending a girl for waiting until she is 21 to have sex outside of marriage??? I did the same but still felt guilty when it did happen. As Christians, we are to monitor closely what we take in and what our minds dwell on. Any sort of compromise is still compromise. No we aren't all perfect. Yes we all make mistakes but getting upset over a Christian taking a stand for what they believe is upsetting....especially by another Christian. Sin is sin...it doesn't matter if it has "more to the plot than JUST sex outside of marriage." Maybe it's me turning into my parents or maybe it's me becoming what God wants us all to be but before I watch, read, or listen to anything, I ask myself, 2 things. 1) If Christ walked through my front door right this second would I be OK inviting Him in to watch this movie or show with me or to join in reading this book with me and 2) Is it something I can watch with my kids in the room? Can I listen to it with the kids in the room? and would I read it to them or be ok with them reading it and if the answer is no to either or both of those question than I have a moral responsibility to not partake of it myself. We live in a " don't do as I do, do as I say" world and that turns off children more than anything. We are to be their example and their guiding light. My daughters teacher wrote a children's book and I will not let her read it. If I hadn't read it first, I wouldn't know there were things in there I felt were to mature for my 8 year old to be reading. Most of us who have said no to reading this book monitor just as closely if not more closely what our children watch and read. When they are adults, that will be between then and God but God has given us as Christian parents the obligation and the honor and the responsibility to bring up our Children in a Godly manner. A little compromise here and a little compromise there leads to a lot of compromise in the end.
    Much Blessings
    Mary
    posted by Mary
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 2:08 am
  747. I am not sure why my post keeps publishing, I came back to read this again and it posted again when I logged in. I'm so sorry for the multiple posts but I do want to add one thing. Song of Solomon was written by a husband to his wife. A relationship between a husband and a wife should be sensual and not controlling and the HUGE difference is that it was between a man and a wife. If you would feel ok reading that book if Jesus walked through the door (which He's always there...we are the temple of the Holy Spirit) than I would never try to stop you but for me and my house, there is a fine line between pure and holy, and sinful. I've not always felt this way but the more I see the way what we take in affect our daily attitudes and lives and the more I delve into the Word the more convicted I am about what goes into my eyes, ear and what comes out of my mouth.
    posted by Mary
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 2:30 am
  748. I understand what you are saying but it is just a book....make believe...not real. I don't think that you should judge anyone for reading this book nor look down on them. If you think reading this book is a sin it's no different than any other sin that you have committed and I'm sure you wouldn't want someone blogging about how wrong it is. Once again, I agree and disagree with some of your reasons but just because everyone else is reading it doesn't mean you have to..or prove your point of why you won't be reading it...just don't read it.
    posted by Katie
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 8:59 am
  749. Proud of you for this - for encouraging other women to live a holy life WITHOUT judging, WITHOUT "forcing" your beliefs, and WITH grace for others. :)
    http://www.katewhitmore.com
    posted by Kate Whitmore
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 9:21 am
  750. The best part of all of this is that friends of mine who commit "sins" on a daily basis including sex before marriage with randoms are sharing this on Facebook. Dear Christians, you can't pick and choose your sins to commit. :)

    Sincerely, Friend who is tired of reading things like this
    posted by Friend
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 9:48 am
  751. I firmly believe that there is judgment, and then there is truth, and that the distinction between the two is love. I do not think any of you who have taken defense of this putrid, self-proclaimed "sadist" book have experienced judgment. Rather, i think that many of the women standing up against the sickness of this world have spoken words of truth and warning, accompanied by love and the voices of experience.

    To those who have been misled by the world and have fallen into Satan's trap (slyly contrived within the pages of this book), you cannot honestly say, without err in conscience, that you believe your Creator, you Father in Heaven, your Savior, would want you to sink your mind into this pit of endless sin and lust. I do not believe that anyone who has experienced the love and mercy of God could condone this material. If you haven't experienced such love and mercy, i highly suggest it. Nothing in this world compares, as you will see if you open your eyes and hearts.

    To women of faith, OPEN YOUR BIBLES. We should be so immersed in, so in love with, so enraptured by our Creator's love and words for us within the Bible, that we should not NEED nor remotely DESIRE to open the pages of this type of writing. Speak to Him, ask your Abba, Father, what He desires for you. I cannot conceive that it would have anything to do with what is found in the pages of this book.

    To women who are standing up for your beliefs, faithfully and without compromise: Thank you. I am so encouraged to find that there are still women with a steadfastness in their hearts and a devotion to their God. Thank you all.
    posted by Cphil
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:13 am
  752. I think it is sinful to participate in reading this kind of liturature. I also know it's wrong to participate in a murder. I will not be silent about either. "Sin is sin" as so many on both sides of the issue here are saying. For people to assume that I am only speaking out against the reading of a book but not speaking out against other sin is wrong. I speak out against all sin....EVEN my own. I've heard so much about it being wrong to judge because we all sin. When did the fact that everyone sins disqualify us from being able to rightly say that something is sin? "before you judge me make sure you are perfect" is a phrase I keep seeing going around of fb. I think people are basing that misconcept on the scripture verse that says, "before you pick the speck out of your brother's eye take care of the log in your own". What I notice is that it doesn't say, " no one will be able to take care of the log in their own eye so they should never judge".

    The whole concept of judgement in the bible is centered on making sure you are not forgetting to look at yourself while looking at others. That is, after all, the biggest tendency of human kind. We can easily see the sin of others but not so easily see our own sin. But we should. And we should call BOTH sin! Shout it out people!!!! SIN is SIN! One isn't greater than the other and one isn't lesser than the other.

    If you would would warn someone who is about to steal that the bible says not to steal then you should be equally equipped and ready to warn someone of the sinfulness of reading a supposedly harmless and entertaining book that is nothing but pornography in written form.

    "But...but...there's a story there too!" SO WHAT! Tell you what, take some hamburger and mix some human waste into it, cook it up and eat it. JUDGE the same if you really don't feel it's such a big deal to mix a little bit of the impure with the pure. I want to hear someone say, "But...but..there's hamburger in there too!" Then those of you who think a little bit of filth mixed with innocent harmless burger should be willing to take a big bite AND be willing to serve it to your friends, and every stranger you meet or guest you may have. After all, it's just a little filth. And if someone rejects it because they can smell to poo you should try for all your might to ridicule them for their rejection because after all, they shouldn't judge a poo burger if they've never tried one. NO ONE is qualified or right to reject poo burgers if they haven't first indulged. AND bygolly! They better not use the Healthy Department to qualify their stance because what does the Health Department know...it's made up of human beings and their findings are open to interpretation so people should just keep their faith to themselves and live and let live...right? Can anyone else see how stupid this is? I hope so. THAT is the intent of my little diatribe.

    Not everyone here, but most who don't agree with Dannah, think those of us who know filth when we see it and smell it should keep our mouths shut and our opinions to ourselves so that you don't feel judged and condemned. I'll tell you what, go ahead and eat your poo burger and smile. Encourage all the other foolish people who can't smell the poo for the burger to eat it too. And the rest of us who can clearly see that it's a load of crap that you're consuming will look on in wonder at the foolishness of your actions and belief while you insist that your faith is NO different than ours and we'll know and be satisfied with our knowledge.

    What God has said is true. A man will reap what he sows. You go ahead and keep sowing into your dilution, reap the seared conscience that is sure to come...but you won't notice it because that's how it works. The rest of us who can clearly see the stupidity of your assertions will leave the condemnation to God but hope and pray that the blinding scales that cover your eyes will be pealed back so that you can see the truth that we know.
    posted by poostinks
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:23 am
  753. @Poostinks, LOL!!!!

    I won't be silent about the poo in the burger either! I would warn everyone I met that people were serving poo burgers. I'm also going to keep warning everyone that this book is filled with filth to. And no, I didn't read it. But I can sure smell to poo and I ain't eatin' it!
    posted by W.W.
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:34 am
  754. @PooStinks,

    I'm chuckling because your way of conveying the obvious is so funny. Thanks for the giggles. I really wish others could see the foolishness of their arguments for defending this "crap" as you put it. Ick.
    posted by Saara
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm
  755. Yeah well we all wish you could see the blatant hypocrisy of what we feel is obvious. If it's humorous to compare a book of controversy to feces so be it. Still reading it...you bunch of idiots don't sway me in the least. I just sit thinking about much you guys must stink up the lives of others for no good reason yet guilty of your partaking in your own garbage. After the 'poo' analogy..I am thanking God for who I am.
    posted by Karen
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm
  756. Some things don't change.

    Jer. 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

    Zech. 7:11 "But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear."
    1 John 3:6 "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him"
    1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
    1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Heb. 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
    He is still holy and still expects His people to be holy. Anyone who rejects this rejects God. God cannot be seperated from His holiness. And likewise His people cannot seperate themselves from His words...be holy as I am holy.
    There is NO compromise. No filth is acceptable for the believer.
    John 10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me."

    This encouragement is for those who belong to Jesus and follow Him. If you want to keep reading and saturating your mind with this kind of filth you do it without the sanction of God. His will has not changed.

    Don't believe the lies here. This book is an abomination. It's not the only abomination in life...but it is definitely one of them. Don't let anyone deceive you. It's wrong to read this kind of stuff. It's wrong to condone others reading it too. Those who disagree do not serve the same God I serve. That is for sure!
    posted by Souls
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm
  757. Find something better to do with your time like help those in need instead of writing this meaningless article. It's a book not a crime. I understand you have your beliefs but that doesn't mean it's wrong for others to read just because you do not. Also if you're going to be a "True Woman" learn to use the word in the right context. There is a difference between women and woman. Ex: "How woman can enjoy that, I can’t understand!"
    posted by Michelle
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm
  758. I just read this post and I know its a little late for reading. BUT, Here is my 2 pennies worth. You said you never read the book but you referenced "Well, he can’t compare to a plasticized, vanilla interpretation of manhood either. " If you hadn't read the book OR done extensive research on the book and its contents (which means you had to read enough of it to make a comment, might have well said you READ part of it) you wouldn't know to use VANILLA as a reference.
    You also said"If you don’t know what those words mean, be glad. If you do know, you should understand that the most damaging part of Fifty Shades of Grey is that God created sex to be a partnership that’s fueled by love and self-giving, not pain and humiliation. It’s not just that this book misuses sex, it redefines it into something evil as the lead character dominates in a hurtful manner. How woman can enjoy that, I can’t understand!" well there goes that reference part again, Now just how do you know what the women did in that book or how the lead character did if you DIDN"T read the book?
    I'm confused did you read it and then feel guilty or did you just say that you didn't read it because you only read the most erotic parts to discuss?
    posted by Yolanda
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 5:12 pm
  759. I understand the point you are making but a huge part of the book is that the main character learns that how he was abused "BDSM" is NOT what REAL love is and what REAL sex means and is. He learns that through out the trilogy. So your comment of

    "you should understand that the most damaging part of Fifty Shades of Grey is that God created sex to be a partnership that’s fueled by love and self-giving, not pain and humiliation. It’s not just that this book misuses sex, it redefines it into something evil as the lead character dominates in a hurtful manner."

    doesn't really apply to a reason not to read the book because that is what a huge part of the book is about. Him going through an awful, abusive past and thinking love and sex was this twisted concept, into realizing it is for a wife, someone you love, and an expression of that.

    I just do not think you should make such harsh judgments on a book you "have not read." God also talks about how believing in "magic" and any other power is a sin... so did judge and not read Harry Potter either?
    posted by Katie
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm
  760. @YFaith and others who fight this article.... I have a sick feeling in my stomach reading through these posts. Maybe it is because I live in the Bible Belt, but I DO believe people wait until marriage. I am currently engaged to my college boyfriend of over 3 years and thankfully I can honestly say that the first time either of us will have intercourse is on our honeymoon. And he isn't a nerd. He is FINE and he had the opportunity to make mistakes with many people and he was strong enough to resist temptation. And that is the BEST wedding present he could ever give me. And I can also tell you 10 of my closest friends who have made a commitment to abstain as well. And we are all out of college. I am not a Bible thumper- I was in a sorority at a party school. I am not perfect in any way and I admit I can preach it much better than I can practice it. However, when I know something even has the possibility of leading me down a road where I will take my eyes off the Lord, or do something that does not bring glory to His name, or even make me a little dissatisfied with my future husband, I want to RUN away. Now, I cannot say that songs on the radio have not made me think "I wish he would do something that sweet for me!".... and I didn't tell all my friends to never listen to that song. However, this book has very serious consequences to some. If you are one of those people that read the book and never had any consequences, thank the Lord for protecting you. But there are so many people out there who are becoming unhappy after reading about this wonderful guy and then having to come home to a someone who they're married to who just doesn't seem as great. I have to be careful even hearing stories of my friends talking about some amazing thing their boyfriend did that I am always grateful for what I have and never let my heart long for something more. What I know is this- every day I log into facebook and someone else has said "Starting to read 50 shades to see what its about!" Thats one reason the blog needs to be shared. SO many people are hearing how WONDERFUL it is by people they trust and then opening their mind to so much potential sin without even knowing what they were getting into. As Christians, we should never argue something that even has a chance of hurting someone else or harming what Jesus created to be beautiful. While some may be able to do drugs just once and never be addicted---- so many more will let drugs destroy your lives. While this is "just a book" to some, I personally know someone who has left her husband and 2 daughters after reading this book and then feeling her life was too ordinary. If even ONE person has had that response, Christians have an obligation to warn other women about the contents of this book. I am not judging or attacking anyone who has read it. But I beg you and plead with you to please not recommend or justify it to anyone else. I have 13 and 14 year old girls I know who are reading this book and it is ROBBING them of their innocence. After that is in their mind, it diminishes their chances of ever waiting for the sexual plan GOD had for their lives of waiting until marriage. The reason I shared this post is not to hate on anyone who has read this, but to warn those who haven't. It would break my heart if I had remained quiet knowing that their are so many negative things that come from reading this book and someone else picked up 50 shades and then they happened to be another person who leaves her family. I understand that there are other bad books and movies and songs and whatever. But that doesn't make it ok. Justifying sin is never ok and approving of it to others to make yourself not feel guilty just hurts more people.
    posted by Thankful
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 7:17 pm
  761. thanks YFaith and all the other intelligent people who have posted in support of a faith that is personal and thoughtful and non-judgemental ( and, in my opinion, much more joyous also). Articles like this and the thoughts expressed within and on the comments section are the reason I struggled with christianity for so long. Thank God ( literally, thank you God) that I realized the love and compassion and acceptance that really lie beneath Christ's teachings
    colleen1805@hotmail.com
    posted by Laci Thompson
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 7:21 pm
  762. @Thankful, I admire you. Thank you for sharing your views and for being wiling to do the hard and socially unacceptable thing. You are not alone. There is a remnant who believe and who abstain intentionally from sexual sin. There is a remnant who deliberately choose purity of their minds as well. I am one of them. And I will keep encouraging my fellow Christ Followers to be seekers of Christ's approval rather than society's. To God be the glory. Keep the faith!
    posted by His
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 8:22 pm
  763. @GodIs, OnlyoneWay and Sara,

    Your posts were so good I had to share them! I believe what you are saying is true. If others knew our Lord they would not be condoning sin. If they knew our God they would not encourage others to join in with their sin. But they don't serve the same God we serve. They serve a god of their own making. Only God can open their eyes. But faith does come from hearing the word of God so I'll join with you in speaking the truth plainly, clearly, deliberately and consistantly! Thank you so much for your awesome posts!

    I think there were a couple more great ones too. Maybe "Hann" was the name. Anyway, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life! Keep the faith!
    posted by Shine
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 8:30 pm
  764. To thankful :::

    ...whew i am so glad you said what you did. I did start to read this..a friend lent it to me....upon opening this book (I KID NOT) there was a light breeze that flipped the pages over to one of the most erotic parts and I could hear some bizarre whispering..it sounded like something in latin at first but i was able to understand by the feeling that washed over me..it's like it was whispering to me to read...just read. I read the first few sentences of where it opened. i could feel a wash of felt like certain urges come over me almost immediately. this freaked me out so badly that i just slammed the book shut and threw the it across the room! I would have burned it but it belonged to a friend so that would not have been right....there IS something evil going on here..we must protect the others..warn them!!

    HAHAHA KIDDING! Wouldn't that make for a great scary story though?? That is how crazy i think most of you against this book sound....downright..NUTS.

    btw it's a decent book in my opinion..and sorry no, it did not darken my thoughts. Life goes on and i'm reading something entirely different but to each your own everyone. Just remember that nutjobs are typically ones pushing their opinions onto others. See, I can stereotype and condemn too! it's only fair.
    posted by Amy
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 8:38 pm
  765. Here’s the thing, I’m a believer. Also, I’m 100% in love with my precious husband- he is the ONLY MAN I will ever love in a sexual way. And I read all three books in the Shades of Grey series. And so far, my head has not started spinning...so, it seems to me that, so far, being a Christian woman and reading 50 Shades of Grey are not mutually exclusive.

    My personal opinion on the trilogy is that they were very enjoyable to read- not literary masterpieces, of course- but a good beach read and way better than an average Harlequin romance. The books also sparked a lot of great conversation between myself and female friends, as well as really fun conversations with my husband. They did not deeply change my life for the better, but then again, neither did reading the book of Numbers in the Bible. They also did not hurt my faith or my marriage or my ability to talk to God in prayer, but that's me.

    My 50 cents about 50 shades is that I think that the larger Christian community (of which I am a part) needs to take a big chill pill. Scripturally, I think you can pick and choose Bible verses and then argue both sides of this argument indefinitely. You can say, “Sex before marriage is a sin, so you shouldn't read the books” or you can say, “sex is created by God, so you should read the books”, but honestly, it's a little more complicated than that, and it varies from person to person.

    To me, the books did have a larger message- a message that could be construed as positive for women and marriage and sexuality. Would I recommend this trilogy as a topic in a Beth Moore bible study? Probably not. Would I recommend the trilogy for an educated, open-minded, female book club? Absolutely.

    Additionally, it is very interesting that women seem to be making sweeping judgments based on what is only part of the story. Would you judge the Bible based on the first half, the Old Testament? The Bible is not just about David sleeping with Bathsheba or Cain killing Abel and hiding his body, or drunken Noah sleeping with his daughters. It is not just about Solome asking for the head of John the Baptist or the faithless Israelites turning their gold into false idols. As far as I can tell, God’s larger message in the Bible- the big story, the big picture- is that He redeemed the world through His Love by sending His Only Son, Jesus, into a sinful, hurting world. The Bible itself is LOVE STORY between God and His people.

    Has anyone read the book Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers (basically a modern retelling of the book of Hosea)? This amazing book, sold in Christian bookstores, tells the love story between a prostitute and the righteous man who loves her and brings her back to God. The story is at times sexually graphic and often disturbing, but it is essentially a parable for God’s love toward mankind. This book has a larger message of a love that is bigger than fear or sin (just like the Bible does).

    After having read 50 Shades, you could easily argue that Ana, the heroine of the story, REDEEMS Christian, the male character, through her UNCONDITIONAL LOVE toward him. He has a tragic, disturbed past, and through her love, he becomes the kind, compassionate, caring person he is meant to be. Hmmmm, redeeming love….where have I heard that before? I’m not comparing the Bible to 50 Shades of Grey, but I do think that there is a bigger message in this controversial trilogy than just trashy porn or the devil trying to sabotage Christian marriage.

    I also think that different people can see and experience God in different ways. Elijah heard God in a whisper, while God first spoke to Peter in a fishing boat. Jonah found God in the belly of whale, and Moses saw him in a burning bush. Rich Mullins, the Christian musician who wrote “Our God is an Awesome God” and “Step by Step”, saw the love of God in the beauty of the color green. St. Francis of Assisi saw the love of God in birds and squirrels. Mother Theresa saw God in the face of the homeless people on the streets of Calcutta. And Jesus GAVE the love of God to sinners, tax collectors, thieves, diseased old women, lepers, and prostitutes. My point here is that God speaks in different ways to different people, but the message is the same.

    How can you say to another woman, "this book is of the devil and you shouldn't read it" when it may have helped someone regain confidence or rediscover a spark in marriage? It is one thing to talk about what is good and right and holy FOR YOU and quite another to talk about what is good and right and holy for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. As the saying goes, what is good for Peter is not always good for Paul, and vice versa. It is exactly this kind of superior, my-poo-doesn’t-stink, Jesus-only-loves-saints BS that makes the world angry at Christians!

    In my opinion, it is high time to quit judging other women for reading a so-called “scandalous” love story and take some time to share the scandalous LOVE of God with another person!
    posted by Martha
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 8:39 pm
  766. @Martha

    WOW - now that was a great post!! The bigger message is indeed as to what it's all about and it's so sad for me to see others saying hurtful things over a book.

    To the young girl (Thankful I think) saving herself for marriage above - that is a good thing! But please don't think badly of those that elect to not marry or opt not to wait. Everyone is different and as for your friend that you claim left a marriage and kids over this book - well I have to vehemently disagree that the book made this happen or was any sort of a catalyst - This woman obviously had the intent to do so beforehand otherwise she is pretty weak minded. I would hope a person would be stronger than that. AND if she is that weak minded, if it were not this book, it surely would have been another or a matter of time. As for the Bible belt - sigh. I don't live far from it and I will be the first to discuss all of the pregnant unwed teenagers I have known of that never even laid eyes on this book. So pssst - I don't think they waited for marriage. Some are from strong Christian backgrounds too. What is the defense for that? Maybe they were a bit too shielded? Could it be possible? I think the world would be a better place when this madness over a book stops and we each pay attention to ourselves as human beings. If you want to say I worship a different God, well so be it. Say as you please. I am confident in my faith and with who I am.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 9:26 pm
  767. @sarah i promise i have way more friends that are sexual active out of marriage than i care to admit. i am not judging them, and i love them. but i do not condone their behavior. i do not believe that "chilling out" and "just letting it go" have gotten us anywhere. i have always been one of the most passive people, always trying to make sure no one is offended and that everyone i respected and makes their own choices. i do not want to belittle or guilt those that have read the book. i just want to plead with christians to call sin what it is. its sin. maybe reading the book isnt sin- but lusting after someone you arent married to is. sex before marriage is. leading others astray is. and my only point was to not defend a book or encourage others to read a book that could possibly harm their emotions, thoughts, future or present sexual purity, etc.
    posted by Thankful
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:05 pm
  768. Martha's amazing post that got covered by a repeat post

    This is not mine but I would hate for it to be distracted against by a repeat

    ===


    Here’s the thing, I’m a believer. Also, I’m 100% in love with my precious husband- he is the ONLY MAN I will ever love in a sexual way. And I read all three books in the Shades of Grey series. And so far, my head has not started spinning...so, it seems to me that, so far, being a Christian woman and reading 50 Shades of Grey are not mutually exclusive.

    My personal opinion on the trilogy is that they were very enjoyable to read- not literary masterpieces, of course- but a good beach read and way better than an average Harlequin romance. The books also sparked a lot of great conversation between myself and female friends, as well as really fun conversations with my husband. They did not deeply change my life for the better, but then again, neither did reading the book of Numbers in the Bible. They also did not hurt my faith or my marriage or my ability to talk to God in prayer, but that's me.

    My 50 cents about 50 shades is that I think that the larger Christian community (of which I am a part) needs to take a big chill pill. Scripturally, I think you can pick and choose Bible verses and then argue both sides of this argument indefinitely. You can say, “Sex before marriage is a sin, so you shouldn't read the books” or you can say, “sex is created by God, so you should read the books”, but honestly, it's a little more complicated than that, and it varies from person to person.

    To me, the books did have a larger message- a message that could be construed as positive for women and marriage and sexuality. Would I recommend this trilogy as a topic in a Beth Moore bible study? Probably not. Would I recommend the trilogy for an educated, open-minded, female book club? Absolutely.

    Additionally, it is very interesting that women seem to be making sweeping judgments based on what is only part of the story. Would you judge the Bible based on the first half, the Old Testament? The Bible is not just about David sleeping with Bathsheba or Cain killing Abel and hiding his body, or drunken Noah sleeping with his daughters. It is not just about Solome asking for the head of John the Baptist or the faithless Israelites turning their gold into false idols. As far as I can tell, God’s larger message in the Bible- the big story, the big picture- is that He redeemed the world through His Love by sending His Only Son, Jesus, into a sinful, hurting world. The Bible itself is LOVE STORY between God and His people.

    Has anyone read the book Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers (basically a modern retelling of the book of Hosea)? This amazing book, sold in Christian bookstores, tells the love story between a prostitute and the righteous man who loves her and brings her back to God. The story is at times sexually graphic and often disturbing, but it is essentially a parable for God’s love toward mankind. This book has a larger message of a love that is bigger than fear or sin (just like the Bible does).

    After having read 50 Shades, you could easily argue that Ana, the heroine of the story, REDEEMS Christian, the male character, through her UNCONDITIONAL LOVE toward him. He has a tragic, disturbed past, and through her love, he becomes the kind, compassionate, caring person he is meant to be. Hmmmm, redeeming love….where have I heard that before? I’m not comparing the Bible to 50 Shades of Grey, but I do think that there is a bigger message in this controversial trilogy than just trashy porn or the devil trying to sabotage Christian marriage.

    I also think that different people can see and experience God in different ways. Elijah heard God in a whisper, while God first spoke to Peter in a fishing boat. Jonah found God in the belly of whale, and Moses saw him in a burning bush. Rich Mullins, the Christian musician who wrote “Our God is an Awesome God” and “Step by Step”, saw the love of God in the beauty of the color green. St. Francis of Assisi saw the love of God in birds and squirrels. Mother Theresa saw God in the face of the homeless people on the streets of Calcutta. And Jesus GAVE the love of God to sinners, tax collectors, thieves, diseased old women, lepers, and prostitutes. My point here is that God speaks in different ways to different people, but the message is the same.

    How can you say to another woman, "this book is of the devil and you shouldn't read it" when it may have helped someone regain confidence or rediscover a spark in marriage? It is one thing to talk about what is good and right and holy FOR YOU and quite another to talk about what is good and right and holy for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. As the saying goes, what is good for Peter is not always good for Paul, and vice versa. It is exactly this kind of superior, my-poo-doesn’t-stink, Jesus-only-loves-saints BS that makes the world angry at Christians!

    In my opinion, it is high time to quit judging other women for reading a so-called “scandalous” love story and take some time to share the scandalous LOVE of God with another person!


    POST by Martha
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:14 pm
  769. Okay, I am sorry but if you are aware of the vanilla part and the terms used from the book then apparently you read the book. You could not have made the above comments without reading the book. I am a Christian and have full faith in God. That book is a love story and the ending is wonderful. It is a trilogy and you actually have to read 3 books not just one book. Which I have read and it was awesome...I like a love story..and that is what I got from the book...I got no evil from the book as you indicate....No sin from the book...It is not any different from any other book that I have read...Again...it was awesome and the ending was GREAT.....Before you make comments about a book you should read it first but I think maybe you have read only one of the 3 books...try reading the other 2 books....
    posted by Sherry
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm
  770. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Dannah. I know in this day and age when the wisdom of God stands in direct contrast to the ways of the world people will reject it. There will not be many who find the narrow path. But for those who here the words of God and believe we have hope of being overcomers of sin and temptation. That is why I, too, will keep myself from liturature that misses the mark.
    posted by Eva
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:03 pm
  771. @sarah (who is reading 50 shades) and @martha - i did not mean to cover your post! however i am not speaking to non christians. you can not expect an unbeliever to see why it is wrong. but as christians, we are obligated to not cause someone else to stumble. and just by recommending this book, you are potentially causing so many women to have multiple things to stumble over. to whoever said "whats right for you may not be right for everyone." i believe the Bible is just as relevant today as when it was written. just because many things are widely ignored or disobeyed and its acceptable to society does not make it ok to the Lord. lust for anyone but your husband is sin. making sex that God created to be beautiful something painful is sin. whatever God says is sin, its sin. its wrong for everyone- not just some and not others. if you want someone to tell you its ok and justifiable, there is always someone who will agree with you and make you feel better. what i would encourage all christians to do is truly read about your role as wife in scripture. thats the place to save your marriage. thats the place to find all the ways to help your husband. phillippians 4:8 is a really good place to start... then proverbs 31..... i could get more references for anyone interested
    posted by Thankful
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm
  772. I'm so thankful for Jesus and the redemption of my soul. I'm so thankful that he has set me free from sin! I will not willingly run back to that life from which I was freed. Why would I trample the grace of Christ like that?
    posted by Mo
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:06 pm
  773. My grandma used to sing a song to me when I was little. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see! Oh be careful little eyes what you see! For the Father up above is looking down in love. Oh be careful little eyes what you see!". I loved to sing it. It taught me from a young age to protect my impressionable mind. It taught me that having a tender conscience was a good and desirable thing. I am not ashamed to have a tender conscience. I am not ashamed to encourage others to protect theirs. I teach many moms, children and young teens the same song and the principle behind it. I share what I've learned through my failures to help others be overcomers of the same sins with which I've struggled. I'm so very thankful for those in my life that have done the same for me! I can't imagine where I'd be in life or what path I'd have taken had not people who loved the Lord shared with me their convictions of living a life in as pure a way as possible. Not one of them was sinless. But not one of them ever tried to excuse or justify sinful pleasures or tell me it was ok to compromise my Godly character for the sake of freedom of indulgence. I praise God for the strong and strict faith of my elders. I treasure my tender conscience. It still let's me know when I'm wrong. It is not seared from repeated compromise. Thank you, Jesus, for Godly saints bold and loving enough to say the hard things to say!
    posted by Mari
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:08 pm
  774. I found the post I was looking for. It was by Hann.

    Here is a copy:

    "I'm sure it is very easy to have a strong faith when you make it up as you go along. Picking and choosing what you want to believe and then labeling yourself a Christian simply because you like a few verses in the New Testament does not make you a Christian. Not in the biblical sense at least. At best you are a 'christian' in the worldly sense. If you do this you are not even of the same faith as those of us who are Christians in the biblical sense (ie...Christ is our LORD. We take the whole bible as the Truth and as the final authority over our lives, minds and actions. We have agreed with God that sin is sin and that He is the one to define it. We believe the only way to be forgiven of our sin is through the blood of Jesus. We agree that no one can approach God unless he is first covered by the mercy of Christ's shed blood. And we acknowledge God's commands to be holy and seperate from the rest of the world and it's convoluted form of wisdom).

    If you believe any thing other than that truth we believe you are the same as any athiest, jewish person, muslim, hindu, etc. We do not believe you are saved. We do not think your sin whether it's murder, rape or consuming pornography like this will make you more lost than you already are. Likewise, no good deed, no abstinence from sin, no positive thinking...nothing you do will be acceptable to God. Nothing that isn't covered in the blood of Jesus will ever get anyone into heaven. ONLY the blood of Jesus will save a person. Many will claim to know Christ, but by their actions and world view they openly deny Him. There is only one path to heaven. We did not carve out the path. God did. We simply tell others what we KNOW to be true.

    For others to insist that we accept what they believe as being valid and sufficient is to insist that we deny our own faith. How hypocritical. You preach acceptance for everyone except biblical Christians. Trying to insist that we agree with you when you claim that truth is different for everyone proves you have no clue what being a biblical Christian is.

    In this case we believe there is only ONE right way. JESUS defined the way.

    If your world view, or faith differs from what we believe you are not one of us and we will not equate your faith with our own . It's just that simple. If that is the case reading this series will not compromise your faith. It won't condemn you more than you already are.

    IF however you are are a biblical Christian, heed the wisdom given and flee from the sin of allowing your minds to be entertained by unholy liturature like this! There is no grey area in this matter for the biblical Christian. Allowing your eyes, ears and minds to be entertained by erotica, porn etc. is a sin. "
    posted by Shine
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm
  775. @Shine,

    Thanks for reposting that. I didn't take the time to read through all the posts (wow! What a discussion!). But the ones I did read seemed to cause me to feel the same way as the post you just shared. There is definitely a difference in faiths!

    I'm not one to condemn anyone. but I know the God I serve would not condone reading these books any more than He would be ok with me watching a porn movie. The Jesus I know is definitely a different Jesus than the one people here are saying is ok with this. I guess that is where we have to leave it.

    I guess that's the beauty of living in the United States of America. Each person has the right to practice what ever faith they want. But I wonder why Dannah is coming under such fire for being vocal about her faith...if people don't like others to judge. They should just leave her alone and let her preach and teach to those of us who share her faith! If it's not your faith, why do you care what we believe?
    posted by J.D.
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm
  776. See that is the problem. It IS the same faith. It's how we choose to worship that is different but hey - call it what you will. If it makes you feel better to say we are of different faiths - fine. I prefer mine 100x over. You can say you are a better Christian all day long but I'm unmoved. I know the truth in my heart. As I said in my longer posts, My God loves you just the same. I could never talk to others as you guys do or claim anyone is less than a Christian or not one at all. I'm just not *that* cruel. I'm not sure what kind of person could do that and glad I don't know of any in my life. How you can even feel God would condone your method is beyond me. Anyway - Still reading the book! :))
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:55 pm
  777. ...whew i am so glad you guys said what you did. I did start to read this..a friend lent it to me....upon opening this book (I KID NOT) there was a light breeze that flipped the pages over to one of the most erotic parts and I could hear some bizarre whispering..it sounded like something in latin at first but i was able to understand by the feeling that washed over me..it's like it was whispering to me to read...just read. I read the first few sentences of where it opened. i could feel a rush of felt like certain urges come over me almost immediately. this freaked me out so badly that i just slammed the book shut and threw the it across the room! And....it BURST into flames!!! You guys are so right! We must warn everyone! Eternal damnation is all that follows!

    HAHAHA KIDDING! Wouldn't that make for a great scary story though?? That is how crazy i think most of you against this book sound....downright..NUTS.
    posted by Amy
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 12:52 am
  778. I am not sure why my post keeps publishing, I came back to read this again and it posted again when I logged in. I'm so sorry for the multiple posts but I do want to add one thing. Song of Solomon was written by a husband to his wife. A relationship between a husband and a wife should be sensual and not controlling and the HUGE difference is that it was between a man and a wife. If you would feel ok reading that book if Jesus walked through the door (which He's always there...we are the temple of the Holy Spirit) than I would never try to stop you but for me and my house, there is a fine line between pure and holy, and sinful. I've not always felt this way but the more I see the way what we take in affect our daily attitudes and lives and the more I delve into the Word the more convicted I am about what goes into my eyes, ear and what comes out of my mouth.
    posted by Mary
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 1:28 am
  779. i think the saddest thing in all of this is how many people begin with "i am a christian".... and then proceed to say many things that lead me to believe they aren't what I personally think is a christian. in my own life, I define it as someone who has come to a point in their life where they realize they were born a lost sinner and need redemption from the only person who can offer it and that is through the Lord Jesus Christ. after coming to that realization, asking for forgiveness, and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart, your life changes. your desires change, your heart changes, everything changes. while this post was not meant to be a guilt trip for those who do not believe that, i think we need to realize that there are a lot of different opinions on what it means to be a christian. it saddens me that some of the people above encouraging others to read this book and commit acts like bdsm, etc. are doing it under the name of a christian. we really truly need to pray for the people who are lost and don't even know it. i am so thankful dannah wrote this blog. so many times people are too fearful of what the world will say that they would rather remain quiet than share the truth. it is genuinely sad when some tries to encourage other christians and warn them of potential consequences of an action and is callled things like judgmental or harsh or crazy. i appreciate your boldness in telling the truth. for way too long christians have sat back and tried to remain "peaceful" and "supportive" of things we know are wrong. calling sin what it is is something to be proud of. it makes me so sad for all of those being persecuted for speaking Biblical truths. even i really debated sharing this link with my facebook friends for fear of sounding "too up tight", but when I examine if what I am doing is honoring the Lord, I knew it was. I will not be ashamed to speak his truth and I am thankful others have courage as well. I have definitely gotten a lot of criticism for discouraging reading this book. however, i have had countless others thank me. and i am so grateful that the lord let me play a very tiny part in keeping these horrible images out of a some womens minds.
    posted by Thankful
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 1:31 am
  780. @Thankful - Again your thoughts on who is Christian and who are not are of no concern to me. I find it 'sad' that you think you hold the answers to which none of us possibly can. I also feel sad for the type of judgmental and condemning Christian that you are and that you can feel ok with questioning anyone's faith. That was never the overall message of Jesus

    I said this before in another post but feel it's worth repeating ::

    The scrutiny of human beings onto other human beings that claim they live perfect holy lives to which 'they' have the answers to which is laughable at best. No human can judge me out of what they perceive. I have only one judge the last I checked. That being is not human.

    It is about what you do. You can't control every 'thought'..how completely obtuse to suggest such a thing. I can bet at any point in time about every person has had a thought that didn't bode well with the 7 deadly sins whether it was gluttony, pride, sloth, etc. And I'm not talking extreme. A soda or a candy bar could be considered giving into gluttony by some people - so is that impure? What about if I skip laundry today? Did I give into sloth? I'm wearing makeup. uh oh...Pride? I was angry earlier due to a conflict of interests with another person...would that be that wrath? I sure did like a boat a friend of mine and wished for a moment I had one as well - oops..was that envy? At Christmas, sometimes we all get or give well above what we should and do not give enough to charities - would that be greed? Some may condemn you to any one of those based upon what they feel coincides with that particular sin and feel 'sorry' for you as they feel you are living less than a holy life. How does it feel to be under such scrutiny?

    You see..with humans it's all subjective and out of conjecture at times - you should DO the best you can. BE caring. BE Kind. BE generous with your words or time or any means you may have. BE gracious toward others. BE sympathetic even when you can't be completely empathetic to another persons plight. BE a good person. If you want to know how Jesus is reflected through us, it's when we as human beings exercise compassion & kindness toward our fellow mankind through our actions. THAT is what he taught first and foremost. I hardly feel Jesus would feel condemning over a literary selection to which is subjective would be putting any of those actions into place. Sure, warn other Christians of why you would choose to stay away yet understand that many may not see it as you do nor perceive themselves as unholy as a result. Jesus is forgiving and He taught by **not** sounding self righteous. Let's not forget the company Jesus did keep and how he went about spreading the word of God. It was the self righteous (HUMANS) who felt Jesus was not leading as God would see fit and thus had him nailed to a cross for what they saw as betrayal - And still....Jesus forgave us before God would destroy us all..

    I sure am glad in this day and time, no one can nail another to a cross although the negative words toward others can seem that way figuratively speaking
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 8:20 am
  781. Nah...that wasn't worth repeating. .

    You are not of the same faith as we are. You harrass us because we refuse to equate your faith with our own. WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD! Your god has very low standards. Our God will forgive anyone if they are repentant...your god doesn't require repentance. My God says, "Choose you this day whom you will serve". Your god says, "it doesn't matter who you serve."

    It isn't a matter of "how you worship"! It's a matter of WHO! My God condemns sin. You are promoting it...and in the name of your god! No matter how you try to say you don't care what we think...here you are reiterating yourself...because you do care! Repent. That is all that is needed. Call on Jesus (the real one) and ask Him to forgive you for making a god in your own image. Then live the way HE wants you to.

    "Non Christians will often go God's way if God is going their way" Ravi Zacharias.

    People of Faith, I encourage you to go God's way, even when He leads you in a direction you would rather not go.

    Making an unwaivering and eternal stand for righteousness and faith in the One TRUE GOD!
    posted by Ian
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 9:47 am
  782. Holy God...strict standards...ONE WAY. JESUS! He said, "Be holy as I am holy". I choose holiness too.

    There are times when I really am tempted to do something forbidden. Sometimes I cave but God never condones my actions....so I repent. If the Holy Spirit convicts me to repent...He must not like it.

    God still desires holiness. I will seek it! I will avoid things that feed my flesh!
    posted by Beth
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 9:52 am
  783. Thank you for making your thoughts known, Dannah. I have been encouraged by your stance. In this world where lies are put forth as truth by so many "in the church" it can be difficult to know what to do. But I have been reading in scripture and have been convinced that we are to abstain from the vile wicked things the world has to offer. We are to abstain from compromise.

    One of Satan's tactics is to say his lies loud and often. You can see that happening throughout this thread. Hitler said something similar. And many many people stood by while he justified the murder of millions...because he said his lies loud and long and they believed him.

    I do not believe the lies! Sin is sin. God is holy. Jesus is God. All who want salvation must worship Jesus. Anyone who serves a god other than Jesus will not be saved. Anyone who does worship Jesus and dedicates their lives to Him will be persecuted. You can see that in this thread too. People are coming against those who preach about the Way. The way is narrow that leads to life. Few are those who find it.
    posted by Me
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:05 am
  784. I really enjoyed reading this article as well as many of your comments as well. I enjoyed Reading as women talk about not having T.V. or Reading Fiction Books. As for me, I have quit listening to any music that is Not Christian. I have to believe that if something is not uplifting God and his kingdom than it is not of God. So when I try and Watch T.v. and every other word is a word that I am convicted about... well Why Bother listening to it. If I don't want my children to hear these words because it can effect them than why would I allow my Spirit to be subject to them either.

    I have been listening to MANY of the girls from my church who are ALL reading this book.. some of them are going as far to talk about the escapades they are having with their husbands as a result of this book. I don't feel like this is the right way for Christian women to be behaving.... You can't tell me they are thinking about there husbands while they are trying to relive some of the scenes of this book. It just can't be good for the soul.

    Just MO but if you wouldn't tell your Pastor about the book, then Maybe that is your spirit telling you its not right... Also if you have to pretend all the bad words aren't in it than maybe that should be a sign its not the right thing to fill your heart with.

    Again this is just my opinion, but I felt like I needed to say I am not reading this book because of the convictions God has given me.
    posted by just sayin
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:07 am
  785. For the record, ma'am, when you type in "erotic fiction definition" into Google, the first page is About.com's page on fiction writing and it says:

    Erotica is a genre of literature that includes sexually explicit details as a primary feature. Unlike pornography, erotica does not aim exclusively at sexual arousal. Though the distinction is blurring in modern works, erotica traditionally contains more sexual details than romance novels.

    So I would like to see your source for the definition in reason #1.

    I also highly recommend that you do some research into the BDSM lifestyle. It isn't based on pain and humiliation. As a person who has done a lot of reading on the subject (academic, not fiction writing, for the record) I can confidently say that it's based on trust, respect, and consensual sex. There are varying degrees, but the whole basis of the relationship is between two of-age, consenting adults. Many married couples participate (privately, as is their right) in this kind of relationship and leave happy, normal, healthy lives, fulfilled sexually and romantically. In fact, the book does do a decent job of showing that side of the story-- it even includes a written contract, so that both parties can state their feelings and desires as well as likes, dislikes, and limits. It's all explicitly defined and both parties are made very aware of the nature of the relationship before it begins.

    Frankly, if you're not reading the book, good for you-- I have, and it was poorly written, to say the least. But I caution you to do some research before making claims about this culture. Fear- and hate-mongering are dangerous, and not in the least Christ-like, and I feel it is your responsibility to your readers to know much more about a subject before condemning it.
    posted by Ali
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:28 am
  786. I've been encouraged to read this book too. So many are raving about how great it is. But if it's filled with foul language, that's the first strike against it. If it has what is meant to be intimate activity unashamedly described and twisted/corrupted that is the second strike against it. If it glamorizes, glorifies or even down plays an inappropriate relationship between two people who aren't married that is it's third strike.

    If you are a Christian and you've read the book or were considering reading it...repent. To read this book is to blatently go against the Spirit of God living within you...if indeed He really abides there. If you will not repent and would rather justify your sinful choice that is a good indicator that maybe He isn't.

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.
    posted by IKNOWHIM
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:40 am
  787. Small compromises are just as sinful as big compromises. We don't want to believe that but it's true. Has anyone ever read the book, NO COMPROMISE by Keith Green? It is so so good!
    posted by Kay
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:47 am
  788. I love the LORD, have been married 26 years, have always had an active sex life and love my husband. I wasn't planning on reading the book but a friend gave it to me and I ended up starting it. When I got to page 100, I didn't think I could go any farther but I did and I love it. It was great!
    What I find so funny about this article and the comments, is the author quoting Joey from Friends!! How funny is that?? There is nothing moral about Friends and Joey is the least moral one of the bunch!!! Too funny, so basically it's okay to watch Friends but don't read this book!!
    posted by Barbara
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:54 am
  789. Thank you for this post. I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about society's desire for the strong man and so it is interesting to me to see a book like this which is a perversion of the strong man take off in such a mainstream way. I too have not read it. Maybe the issue isn't about the book as much as it is about the fetish and having struggled with it, I won't be reading.

    A few years ago, a book like this would have been exciting to me. I was into S&M both in porn and lightly in practice and so I do understand how such a thing can be tempting. However, the relationship was far from godly and had many issues of domination and manipulation. When I married a wonderful and godly man who had no interest in such a practice once married, I started to second guess it. I also had a textbook case of your warnings in #2 that I almost completely had to check out of sex and into my fantasy world for gratification although I hadn't indulged in it in years.

    Thankfully, once I confessed both to God and to my husband, the Lord redeemed my mind and while I still have to fight the images occasionally, we have been enjoying a much healthier relationship.

    I realize I have had a more personal experience with this so the issue hits closer to home, and I'm sure many would write me off as just following personal convictions. However I think the slope is a slippery one and I appreciate the sound and biblical warnings about the dangers. I am not perfect at this, nor is anyone. But thankfully through Christ there is forgiveness, redemption and the hope of abundant life. That is the life we fight for.
    posted by No thanks
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm
  790. @Ian

    Classy. Is that how you encourage others to join into Christianity? I sure hope not as you would repel most with your most forked tongue. Jesus never would encourage this method. 'My God this, My God that'..Seriously?

    I just repeat the same things because at this point, it is highly unnecessary for me to take the time to write out anything new in any sort of detail to which will only have scriptures thrown at it and be disagreed with at the same time. It would be redundant to a point of useless yet I'm not giving up on my stance on how I feel about the blatant insulting. This is not an argument that will be won on either side. It's just a differing of how we see things. If you can't acknowledge that the Bible has many interpretations as well as contradictions, then my friend...it is YOU who is quite blind. Hurling insults never helped anyone's argument you know. :)

    How DARE you tell me how to worship? I can understand the opinions about the books..but for those who do like them? how DARE you stone us for our opinion? If your intent is to merely warn those who are like minded then why bother to spew hateful words at those that oppose? That sort of attitude IS the catalyst of the devil. Satan wants you to feel self righteous and full of false indignation so you can do his bidding which is to repel those from Christianity. If you were a peaceful Christian and practiced aligned with the overall message OF the Bible, you would realize this is an age old tactic that leads into more harmful behavior toward your
    fellow mankind by using GOD as your source. Sorry buddy, I believe God and Jesus are a lot more forgiving than to shoot anyone to hell over a fictional novel. I give them more credit into being able to look into our souls. Anger and Insults only reflect badly upon yourself. If you have allowed it completely cloud your judgement, it will be impossible to see through the thick fog that is hate.

    It IS a matter of how one worships. Sorry..you'll have to live with the fact that I won't change this opinion yet I would suggest not letting wrath get to you over it. It's not worth it. I am not going around telling anyone to read the book..I'm simply stating that I am and I encourage people to make
    choices for themselves. If they feel uncomfortable with the contents, don't read but do know there's an actual story OF redemption at the end. At least be knowledgeable.

    It's a shame that opinions like Daryls, Marthas and many others were not even responded to that had so many great points.

    Peace be with you Ian..

    James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God,who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm
  791. Whoa! I read the first part of this blog...then scrolled down the end to see a really mean, hostile and angry sounding post by Sarah. So I looked at the post she was responding to only to find that the post by "Ian" was nothing worth her animosity!

    Ian, I am with you! And I don't feel your post was hateful or insulting. It was well worded. I think the animosity is rooted in the fact that the argument can't be won by this "Sarah". It is evident to me that she is angry because those who agree w/Dannah are taking a strong immovable stance that God is God...Jesus does not accept sinful choices even though he forgives them. Sounds like she's also angry because she insists her god is one and the same with the God others serve. But clearly there is a difference.
    Her indignation and fear mongering are powerless. She serves a powerless god. The God Who Is has defeated him...on the cross...the only way one can be saved...the only way one can overcome sin...the only way ones blind eyes can be opened. Preach on Brother.
    posted by Cale
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm
  792. @Sarah, Christianity isn't a club to "join".

    Your anger and hostility are rooted in your pride...the same pride that causes you to shake your fist at the TRUTH. It's the same pride that causes you to make up your faith as you go along rather than follow the WAY.
    There is no insult in my post above and there is no insult in my post now. If you find the Truth insulting I can't help that. Your matter is with God not me.
    As far as interpretations of the Word of God, there are only two. The right interpretation and the wrong. I believe I am right. I will hold to it until my death. I will preach it as long as God gives me breath. No amount of accusations of "stone throwing" will stop me. I know the God I serve. He is not your God...yet. But maybe someday you will see and believe. That is my prayer for you Sarah.
    posted by Ian
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm
  793. Galatians 6:1 "Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted."

    Great word of edification, Dannah. You did well to share your convictions.

    Romans 16:17 "I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them."

    Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"

    2 Cor. 11:13-15 "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."


    That's pretty clear, strong language.

    I'm glad to see there are so many who are bold in The Faith.
    posted by Nan
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm
  794. @Ian

    I do feel you showed displays of hostility over my beliefs to which I simply pointed out to you. I never said I was angry nor have I suggested this..In fact, quite the contrary. Christianity is open to all with an open heart....lol. Alas, no. It is not club...But one should never attempt to repel another from it with harsh words. There is no shaking my fist at the 'truth'..sigh. Hardly. I am always open to saying I don't have all of the answers..I am merely human after all. I believe as I do just as you hold onto your beliefs. I will say I find it of amusement that my beliefs seem to rattle much disdain from you. Why is that so? Does it make you doubt yourself? You should not be put off by me in the least. By insinuating I am less than a true Christian...is an insult. However sometimes the blinded do not see clearly to which you have my forgiveness. I am glad you hold strong to your interpretations..I would not try to sway you of them. It is your truth and to which you live - just know that there are differing views out there and this should not arouse anger. Practice acceptance and you will feel more peace in your heart.

    I only question your moral judgment as how you choose to relay your accusatory statements against your fellow mankind. No one called 'Christianity' a club after all - you made a reference as if that is what I am doing but you are mistaken. I know the God I serve as well...the one to which accepts us both. :)


    Ephesians 4:31-32 ESV ---> A favorite

    Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

    James 4:11-12 ESV

    Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?


    Proverbs 12:18 ESV (LOVE this one)

    There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.


    Romans 14:10-12 ESV

    Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.



    Matthew 5:43-45 ESV

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.


    Matthew 5:21-22 ESV

    “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.


    Romans 3:23 ESV

    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God


    James 1:19-20 ESV

    Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.


    Luke 6:32-42 ESV

    “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. ...


    Matthew 5:7 ESV

    “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.


    Matthew 7:1-5 ESV

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm
  795. @Sarah,
    Just as you incorrectly interpret the bible you incorrectly interpret what I have said. I am not angry with you. I haven't the slightest bit of emotion toward you. Unless hope is an emotion. I hope you learn the truth one day. I hope you come to know my God. Maybe you will if you keep reading scripture. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God.
    posted by Ian
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm
  796. Whoa! I read the first part of this blog...then scrolled down the end to see a really mean, hostile and angry sounding post by Sarah. So I looked at the post she was responding to only to find that the post by "Ian" was nothing worth her animosity!

    Ian, I am with you! And I don't feel your post was hateful or insulting. It was well worded. I think the animosity is rooted in the fact that the argument can't be won by this "Sarah". It is evident to me that she is angry because those who agree w/Dannah are taking a strong immovable stance that God is God...Jesus does not accept sinful choices even though he forgives them. Sounds like she's also angry because she insists her god is one and the same with the God others serve. But clearly there is a difference.
    Her indignation and fear mongering are powerless. She serves a powerless god. The God Who Is has defeated him...on the cross...the only way one can be saved...the only way one can overcome sin...the only way ones blind eyes can be opened. Preach on Brother.
    posted by Cale
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:08 pm
  797. Penny,
    Your post was awesome!
    posted by Margo
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm
  798. Ok, so now I had to go and check out Penny's post. I have to agree with Margo!

    Great post, Penny!
    posted by Cale
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm
  799. I have read through this blog as well as the posts but you know what? it's not shocking to me. This has been what religion does. As a practicing agnostic LOL i feel better than ever about it. where ever you clowns claim to be going..i don't want to be there! trust me!! sounds more like hell to me. face it. in the end youll be taking a dirt nap. if it makes you feel better to say you are going to some make believe place palace in the sky that only SOME of you will be invited so you can act moral on earth whatever. but when you start attacking each other? it only makes other people feel sick that you can act like you are so perfect (cause we know you aren't, somewhere in that book you went against it knowingly). wicked is as wicked does. if this is how faith makes people act, count me out! but like i said. i knew this anyway. just proves my point.

    since i don't have scriptures, here are cool quotes!


    I've got nothing against God. It's his Fan Club I can't stand --> lololol yep

    Science flies you to the moon..Religion flies you into buildings ----> YEP!!! and to bomb abortion clinics but hey all in the name of faith right? nooooo problem! you know i think my history professor is evil and i don't agree with his grade on my latest paper due to differing views..can i just get rid of him? kiddin' though some of you were probably wondering how evil is he

    and this is just funny

    So, these three guys walk into a bar: a Catholic priest, a pedophile, and a porn addict, and he's with two other men. --> hahahahaha
    posted by Emily
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:16 pm
  800. @Ian

    You are sounding more peaceful now and that's great. But did you not say this originally to me as I was responding to someone else. (below) - It really is sad that you guys do this. I'll pray for you and I'm done because there is 'no' argument here. It's a difference of opinions and I'm not going to entertain it any longer. You guys know in your heart that it's not right to say someone has no faith or suggest they are less than a Christian simply because they disagree with your views. I did not misquote any of the scriptures I posted.

    Anyway I'm finished. No one was trying to win anything here as that can't be accomplished. It was a request for respect to not claim fallacy toward anothers religion over opposing viewpoints. It was a simple request. That is all.

    How does this response *not* sound hostile :

    ===

    From Ian to me :

    Nah...that wasn't worth repeating. .

    You are not of the same faith as we are. You harrass us because we refuse to equate your faith with our own. WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD! Your god has very low standards. Our God will forgive anyone if they are repentant...your god doesn't require repentance. My God says, "Choose you this day whom you will serve". Your god says, "it doesn't matter who you serve."

    It isn't a matter of "how you worship"! It's a matter of WHO! My God condemns sin. You are promoting it...and in the name of your god! No matter how you try to say you don't care what we think...here you are reiterating yourself...because you do care! Repent. That is all that is needed. Call on Jesus (the real one) and ask Him to forgive you for making a god in your own image. Then live the way HE wants you to.

    "Non Christians will often go God's way if God is going their way" Ravi Zacharias.

    People of Faith, I encourage you to go God's way, even when He leads you in a direction you would rather not go.

    Making an unwaivering and eternal stand for righteousness and faith in the One TRUE GOD!

    ====
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm
  801. You what I find funny? There are TONS and TONS of posts that make the same arguments as Sarah and they sort of gleaned over I guess. Sarah stands her ground on claiming what she believes yet it's other people trying to tell her she is just wrong or not a Christian etc. I have not read it in ANY of the posts of hers to which she says someone is NOT a Christian or they serve a different God. Who is harrassing who here!?? Excuse me for being confused! This is no longer a discussion over a book. It's some stupid online lynch mob that just can't stand the fact that this person claims her faith no matter what they say. GOOD FOR YOU SARAH AND PATHETIC OF THEM! They prove who they are by how they behave. I think a Christian always ACTS like one and NOT any of you that claim to be soooo holy are doing that!!! NOT in my eyes!

    Is this blog about faith or is it about a book anyway!?? Unbelievable.
    posted by Amy
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 6:12 pm
  802. Not sure if anyone has addressed the SOS thing yet so I'll try--didn't have time to read every comment.

    Song of Solomon is "erotic" literature that was put in the bible. However, one must not ignore the context! I once heard that SOS was like John Mayer's song "Your body is a wonderland" and that if SOS was fine, so was this song. I'm not going to fully address what I think about the song (I like it, it's catchy, its weird) but I will address how these things, and 50 Shades, are not the same.

    SOS was written by Solomon to his wife. It was a prayer, so to speak, thanking God for what a beautiful gift He had given him and verbally affirming his wife's beauty and encouraging her that she was sexually satisfying to him. The key word in this who thing is wife--John Mayer is not married, therefore the song is incomparable as are Christian and Ana in 50 Shades. One commenter said that her husband (deployed) used a website to write her an erotic novel about each other--this is a much more accurate comparison to that of SOS. Now, I would never be that bold, but I bet you this man's wife appreciated, cherished, and grew to love her husband more through this gift. That is what Song of Solomon is--an example of how one spouse can affirm the other relationally, spiritually, and sexually-- and why it cannot be compared at all to the types of "erotic literature" that is popular today.
    Now this begs the question--what if erotic literature IS written about a husband and wife? I'll just say what my mom used to say--"I don't look in my neighbor's bedroom window!" I don't know if this would be right wrong or otherwise, but I would not read it.
    There's another book out that also created quite a stir recently, even featured on the View, that was about sex and it's one I can endorse even though I don't agree with absolutely everything in it. It's called "Real Marriage" (it is where a few of my points about SOS are also raised) by Mark and Grace Driscoll. In this book they tastefully discuss their own sexual relationship and issues in the context of sex being only one part of marriage.
    Marriage is the key here (in the Christian argument against this book)--I agree with Dannah's post and have a difficult time seeing eye to eye with Christians who endorse and encourage the reading of these books because of this key. Sex before marriage, as stated in the bible, is a sin. I am not naive enough to believe that every Christian couple was a virgin when they married and I don't condemn or discourage them. Sin happens--anger, disobedience, lust--and it is forgiven and forgotten by a loving God who makes all things new. However, it is not to be dwelled upon, and reading 50 Shades of Grey is dwelling on the sin of premarital sex, no matter how romantic or inspiring it is. I have read other book seres that contain premarital sex in a way that was not at all graphic (i.e. they closed the door in one chapter and woke up in the same bed the next) and it still, at times, felt like I was dwelling on sin. Am I saying that it is a sin to read books or watch movies that contain or allude to premarital sex--no, but if you choose not to, or warn others not to, that is not a sin either.
    posted by emily
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 7:02 pm
  803. This isn't about anyone person. Never has been. Though I'm sure someone would like to think it is. This has turned into a defense of faith. A fatih that some would like to stifle. A faith some would like to claim...yet they completely disagree with it. Dannah wrote a word of encouragement to folks who love and serve the God she loves and serves. Her God does not condone this kind of erotic entertainment. Others here are claiming that He does. They serve a different God all together.

    So, I'll defend my faith. I'll defend my rights to speak about my faith. You can defend your own rights to speak of your faith. But I will not bow to your god, nor will I say we serve the same God.
    posted by Ian
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 7:03 pm
  804. Thank you Ian! And all others that speak truth. I took time.... a whole lot of it.... to read all of the comments. From the beginning, Sarah has argued with every person who disagrees with the book in any way. While others have given many scripture verses, insightful comments, and accurate explanations, she has done nothing but argue. I think there is not much anyone can say to her. However, I hope all christians who read this will pray for her by name as well as others whose god doesn't care if they fill their mind with cuss words and written sexual encounters.
    posted by Thankful
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 7:17 pm
  805. @Thankful

    Please let go of directing anything at me. I'm finished with this and I always defended my side as you defended yours. I don't tell anyone to pray for you just because we disagree..I would appreciate likewise. Defending a stance is different than arguing as I never said anything mean to anyone. I didn't insult their faith or call them names. You could define any of these posts as arguing with that blanket definition. I don't like anyone jabbing at my faith or how I worship whether they agree or not. I have never insulted yours..I'm sure you would not care for it if I did - just not my style. Simply put, it's wrong. I don't have anything against how you worship. I have always stated that anyone who feels uncomfortable with erotica should refrain from reading it. I think many on here made insightful comments, posted scriptures with some darned good explanations as well for the opposing side. To each their own. Please move on from it - there is nothing here to win. I will never agree with you and you will not with me and that's OK. People disagree..it happens. I would not be shocked if you or Ian or some of the others are 1 in the same person. And please. Do you really think Sarah is my real name? I'd never be so naive to post that on the internet lol! Many pieces of literature (even great) have words or situations that may not settle well for many. That's life. Now please move on from me. There's a glorious world out there to which your energy would be better directed. Peace!
    posted by Sarah (who is reading 50 shades)
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm
  806. @Thankful,
    She's accused others of being one and the same person besides you and Ian. It's a way of discrediting others. But you are on the right path and I agree with you. :)
    posted by Kev
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 8:51 pm
  807. Now here is a post that IS worth reposting! Gotta love wisdom!

    Thought I'd go up and grab it cause Margo and Cale called my attention to it. Thanks Penny! You're a great gal that knows her stuff!

    "I can't help myself. My mind would embrace the human logic and fairness to not judge others were it not for the Spirit of God living within me. The Bible I've come to fully believe leads me to have strong convictions that there are certain uncompromising standards that I and others who bear the name of Christ must strive to live up to with the hopes of becoming more and more holy as Jesus commanded and still commands. And though I might be tempted to fall for the chantings of the Judge Not crowd I have seen more than that one verse in God's Word. So I rest in my unearned salvation and hold fast to the very words that taught me to seek God and His mercy, all the while striving to live the way He says I should live. In my failures, I pray God will open my eyes to see things as I should and that I will begin to do things as I should. He knows I have a long way to go! In my successes I will continue to teach others that they too can be overcomers. One of the sinful indulgences I've had a great measure of success in overcoming is reading books like this. Books that at one time I justified reading by telling myself that I wasn't hurting anyone, that it wouldn't hurt me, that I was mature enough and strong enough to handle it, that God was ok with my choice and that it was innocent fun. But years ago, when God, through many circumstances, opened my eyes I began to understand that reading this kind of liturature was not only an abomination to the Lord, but it was also a stumbling block to others and myself. By reading such things I was acting as the perverbial dog who would eat it's vomit. Like a fool returning to my folly I, after having been fully cleansed of every guilty stain with which I ever knowingly or unknowingly tarnished my heart, justified my poor and unholy choices of liturature and once again dishonored God. But He loved me, just the same as He loves every single one of you, and He opened my eyes to my sin...showing me that it was indeed sin and a dishonoring of the name of Christ when I as a woman bearing His name willingly consumed every pleasure this mommy porn could offer. Now I know better. Now I do better. I will never say that this lesson is not the same for everyone because the God Who Is is God of All and He does not have favorites. His will is that we who are called by His name, Christ, live holy and reject that which is unholy. His will is also that we who are called by His name, Christ's name, teach, rebuke, correct and instruct others in the faith that others may know the Truth and so be set free from bondage as well. We are to love others as we would be loved. I know many of you do not believe what so many wise and Godly people have said here that this kind of reading material is sinful, wicked and unholy, but your unbelief does not make their words untrue. they speak the truth to you as I do. I speak because I love Jesus and have vowed to honor Him, which means obeying Him when he says to speak the Truth in love. I lovingly beseech you who have either read the books or are contemplating reading them, if you belong to Christ, to repent. As Jesus who loved and accepted the prostitute but then told her to go and sin no more, I hold out His grace to you as well and tell you there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ...go and sin no more. And when you learn something that I or another believer has not yet learned, love me back and warn me of my errant ways so that I may share in the knowledge Christ has given you. The rebuke of a righteous man is life!
    posted by Penny
    on Sunday, June 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm"
    posted by Ian
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 9:16 pm
  808. @ Kev,

    It's probably unfathomable to her that so many could believe she's so very very wrong. But I can see from all the posts that they do...and that she is. But she's not the only one and it isn't about her. She's just the one who can't let it rest. I take it as a good thing because the more she hears the truth the more chances there are that the thick crusted calous of pride shrouding her heart may be pierced. God only knows.

    But we aren't here for "Sarah"...we are here for each other. She just keeps inserting herself. No one says she doesn't have the right to do so. But it is redundant for her to keep going on and on. Keep speaking the truth everyone. There are many many "Sarahs" of the world who are misguided and are misguiding. They claim to know the truth but by their actions they deny Him. They do not know the God we serve no matter how long and loudly they figuratively stamp their feet and insist that they do. We know that their god is actually Satan disguised as "light".

    KNOW this:

    Matt. 24:9-10"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,"

    It is upon us. Believers, pray for each other and for God's will to be done. Pray, pray, pray.
    posted by Liam
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 9:35 pm
  809. It would be cool to have an online bible study or a way for others to learn from some of you and maybe ask questions.

    I'm very thankful for your advice and comments here. I truly appreciate simple truth. So many have cleared this matter up for me. I know it isn't a matter of choice to read and be ok with this book. I see now it is a matter of Lordship. And I love Jesus and want to honor Him in all that I say and do. I will honor Him as LORD of my life. I will not be reading this book. AND I will search the scriptures daily and commit it's words to my heart so that one day I will be able to give an answer for the hope that is within me like you all have.

    I especially appreciate Dannah, Penny, Sara, Hann, Marris, GodIs, Thankful and Ian.

    You have all blessed me so much.
    posted by sincere
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:05 pm
  810. Oh, and Liam too!
    posted by sincere
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:07 pm
  811. OK ENOUGH. YEP another agnostic in the house that will say what the nicer ones won't say or feel too good to say or whatever the reason. I don't roll that way SO F THAT! I read this crap out of curiosity and NOT any of you droids with no life will care but I think you are the ugliest and nastiest group of I've ever witnessed! I've read political debates with more decency toward other people!! YOU guys are Christians? YOU!?? NEEEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF there is a GOD you guys are not in THAT image. YOU DISGUST ME! It's like a big gang up out of HATRED. YOU GET THAT YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS? YOU SPEAK OUT OF MALICE! Hypocrisy is ALLLL over the place! Makes me SICK.

    WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK SO MANY WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY!?? IF there is a God HE WILL NOT BE THANKING YOU FOR YOUR UGLY AND HATEFUL WORDS AND MAKING PEOPLE LIKE ME WANT TO VOMIT! SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU! YOU are NOT what is defined as HOLY! You are a #!! HUMAN BEING SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! IF I EVER meet a Christian like you I will knock them upside the head! YOU are a MENACE to that of what you PREACH! 100% HYPOCRISY! I would seriously SPIT on any one of you. This is the nastiest crap I've read in the longest time and I DO NOT EVEN CARE ABOUT RELIGION!! NOW I HATE IT EVEN MORE! THANKS GUYS!!! GREAT JOB!!!! IT JUST MAKES ME SO ANGRY that those that DARE claim they are HOLY or peacemakers or whatever they want to think they are ACT SO UGLY. YOU ALL DISGUST ME! If there is heaven or hell my vote is to ship you all off down under. Many would make great demons!
    posted by David
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:18 pm
  812. Wow People this is a bible study now? It's just a book. I would not let any of you rile each other up as it's pretty obvious that is the case on both sides. All of ya'll sound like you are letting others get to you. I hope you don't act like this in your lives because it's not worth it at all. I don't think bad of anyone or their opinions. To each their own I say. I just think it would be nice if everyone played nice but I don't think that can happen. Oh well. Be good to each other okay? That really will matter in the end. How you treat other people.
    posted by Samantha
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:27 pm
  813. What an awesome and encouraging blog. I truly appreciate Godly advice. Thank you, Dannah, for confronting this subject head on. From the shear number of posts I can really tell it is needed! So many lost. So many unknowing of the evil all around them...even in them. God help us all. Jesus come quickly!
    posted by Mar
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm
  814. I can see some hate and hypocracy here. But it isn't from Dannah or those who agree with her. It is from those who reject what they believe. I don't know how some of these comments get past the moderators of this blog. Shear evil some of it is.
    posted by grace
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:32 pm
  815. I'm reading the book (yeah woooo) and personally this blog has just given me the best laugh for the most part. Can't say it's made me mad as just shake my head each time I read it. Always new drama. Bible thumpers are too funny. I wonder how bored someone has to be to keep dragging others through the mud that disagree. "They disagree! off with their heads" hahaha! Don't mind me though! Keep dragging them though because this is Christian behavior at it's best here. Doesn't get any better!
    posted by Melissa
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm
  816. OH YA THINK GRACE? You are one of the ones just joining in on it! Why don't you learn how to spell HYPOCRISY before posting eh? Especially before partaking in it. I mean I know we're not dealing with a heavy load of brain cells here but come on. It's called SPELL CHECK! Maybe I think YOU are EVIL. Goes both ways HONEY
    posted by David
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm
  817. Yes Jesus help us! The Agnostics and Atheists have found the forum. GEEEEEZZZ Most of us have more morals than you guys have shown in your posts! DISGUSTING!
    posted by David
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:42 pm
  818. Is. 64:6 "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away"

    No one is perfect. That's why the sacrifice of Jesus is so necessary. And when someone has been set free from condemnation they have a new sprit...a new nature. The Spirit of God lives in you and gives you understanding.

    His Spirit tells me this book is sinful. He doesn't speak out of both sides of His mouth.
    posted by hope
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:43 pm
  819. Agnostics and athiests have been here. They've poked their fun. They've made accusations. Some of the nasty things they've said were deleted...just as I'm sure some of yours will be. If you read the rules of posting above the little box you type in it says only comments that are appropriate and written in a tone that is encouraging, edifying and loving to others are allowed.
    But they allow people to have disagreements and don't police that. Be mindful. If you want us to hear your view...say it nicely. Otherwise you deprive us of your two cents worth and all because you can't excersize self control.

    Oh, and check out the blog. It's littered with poor grammar, spelling and sentence structure. Not an issue here. What matters is whether someone can convey their opinions adequately.
    posted by Sam
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 10:52 pm
  820. Touched a nerve I see. We expected that. We were warned long ago that people would be persecuted for their faith. I'm sure it will get a lot worse before the end. The threats of "knocking others upside the head" and "spitting" on those who hold to the truth are nothing new. Christians have been martyred for thousands of years. And it isn't because they preach that everyone will be saved either. It is because our enemy, Satan wants to crush us and silence the song of the redeemed. The song of the redeemed is that God is holy, sin is sin...we all are guilty and Jesus has overcome our enemy by his shed blood. He's won the victory and we are free. We are able to overcome sin and temptation and no longer are slaves to it.

    Not reading the book either!
    posted by Jenna
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:07 pm
  821. I've been blessed, Dannah. I agree 100% with you.
    posted by Michelle
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:12 pm
  822. I think I just busted a gut here Sam. So you guys think you've been encouraging and LOVING toward OTHERS with your words? DO YOU REALLY? THAT'S what sparked my fury to even post in here. I've read nothing but the opposite. All I've read is a bunch of antagonizing and patronizing but whatever floats your boat pal. I guarantee you wouldn't want to float that crap with me face to face. I think you need to be telling some other folks to be mindful. Don't pull your hypocritical stunts on me. It don't work here buddy. I just wanted to post about what a bunch of ugly folks you guys are. That's my only view! Nothing else to discuss.
    posted by David
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:19 pm
  823. Nice.
    Way to demonstrate proper human interaction, David. lol!
    posted by Missy
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm
  824. I mostly see animosity toward those who hold firmly to what they call " biblical principles". I don't see anything wrong with what they are saying cause it's their faith. It doesn't bother me. I've been watching this drama unfold for days. It's been eye opening. I think I'm starting to understand.

    The origional blog post was from Dannah, we all know where she stands. She believes books like Fifty Shades are sinful and wrong. There are those who share her belief and they call themselves Christians. They have a deep religious belief and conviction about following the bible.

    Then there are those here who also call themselves Christians but they don't believe the same thing that the other "Christians" believe. They actually have different religions as far as I can tell. But the one group is insisting that they are the same as the other while the other group denies this. It's kinda funny actually. But I can see the point of the super religious Christians.

    I don't hold to either of their "faiths" but it sure has been fun watching. I doesn't make me mad. I don't see hate from the super religious Christians. But I do pick up on some major animosity from the other ones. And David...who I'm thinking is someone else who's been offended earlier in the conversation. No athiest I know would have such emotion over this...we just don't care that much. lol! BUT someone who maybe want's to be accepted as a "Christian" but is being told they aren't might have such emotion. Just sayin. lol!

    Kinda funny either way.
    posted by Missy
    on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:42 pm
  825. Oh, forgive me...he's not an athiest...he's agnostic.
    posted by Missy
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 12:19 am
  826. Missy you're just enjoying a show here eh? Don't you think by posting that you are carin' a bit much for someone claiming to be as you are? Just a little? A tiny bit? Ah now don't pretend for me. I have an uncanny ability to sniff through things that stink of lies.

    I don't feel any of these people have displayed manners so likewise. likewise. You get back what you put out. Remember that one!

    I am treating them as they ALL treat others. Just a bit more blatant ya know? I'm loud and obnoxious in real life too so at least I keep that real. No masquerade here. You don't see me partaking in subtle acts of bigotry and using a Bible to excuse my lack of manners. I'll just give it to you straight. A big dose of reality. I don't care about whatever the hell this book is. I just read a bunch of crap from people that feel the need to announce how holy they are while acting like anything but. It's disgusting. There is no other word. This is exactly why I can't even entertain Christianity. I have known more devious and wicked people that hide behind their Bible than
    those that don't.

    And there is no way to splice up who is who on here. How can YOU even do that? You claim to not hold any of the faiths yet you can take a side? That's downright more hilarious than the other ones! I just see ugliness! Even I can't take a side so don't give me that crap! You already have a side. if you didn't and you just read the postings, it's plain as the nose on your face that if you disagree or have a differing opinion of whatever these droids think, they will come out like lucifer himself if there was one. Which there isn't one. I believe in fairy tales as much as I believe in a red horned man living in the earth's core. Why do you care which faith is which? Do you have a stake in it? THEN WHAT DOES IT MATTER TO YOU? Not that I'll care about your answer anyway. It just doesn't make logical sense. If Christian A doesn't agree with Christian B..what the hell is it to ya? I think it's speculation on your end there Missy and mighty odd for an Atheist.

    All I see is a bunch of badgering because group 1
    doesn't agree with group 2 and then they are baiting each other. Typical Christian form! From where I sit no one is practicing what they preach so to speak. But they prove me right once again. People that want to throw the Bible at others are nothing more than bored immoral people of their own device so it makes them feel good to wear a mask. They have so little in their own lives that going on some made up
    crusade is better than facing what is in the mirror staring back. A hollow shell of a person with no real mission other than spreading more hate to puff themselves up. A hypocrite. They just USE the Bible. "the bible says, the bible says"...so you know...it MUST BE TRUE. So you all tell yourselves you are the perfect person on this earth before you go to bed at night. I guess that must make ya'll sleep better. The rest of know it's bunch of BS.

    And Missy I'm Agnostic hun. You can google that
    if you don't know the difference. It means I believe there is probably something. Just not sure what. Just know it aint any of this or if it was, sign me up for hell! So that's not Athiest. Which earns you a bit of scrutiny yourself for not knowing the difference. Like I said, I know I'm not dealing with many brain cells anyway. Any Athiest THAT I KNOW would not be so passionate about who is right or wrong in a Christian debate! LOL!!! Back at ya hun. This is WHY I DO NOT LIKE THIS FAITH. IT causes people to act in the most
    ugliest of ways. I've witnessed it and I've said it for the longest time. Proof is all over this board. I think everyone is an idiot! I'm not leaving any so called Christian out on that one. Thats all FOLKS! Rejoin your little group of hate and bigotry.......already in progress.
    posted by David
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 12:57 am
  827. Wow! Lot's of comments.

    I am with you, Dannah. I will not set that kind of liturature before my eyes either. Strong convictions here that God does not condone sinfulness. Many strikes against this series, I'd say.
    posted by Dina
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 1:17 am
  828. @David,
    I did correct myself. You must have missed that. As far as caring, I don't know where you get where I care. I just think it's fun. I've never been threatened by someone elses belief. What do I care if someone thinks I'm going to hell? As far as siding with christians A or B...I don't. All I said was that I don't see any hostility in christians A. They simply look like they are dogmatic in their faiths. They'd be hypocrites if they didn't say the things they say. In my book they're at least consistent. I'm cool with that and have no emotion over it. I don't understand why you are getting all emotional about this. Is this the first time you've ever seen something like this? Dude! Step out into the real world! It's everywhere! You gotta just sit back and enjoy the show. Humans are facinating!!! Including you jumping in ring with your own selfrighteous accusations and your superior attitude.

    From what I can tell Dannah's message is about her faith to people who share her faith. I have NO PROBLEM with this. If you aren't one of them, from what I can tell from the blog they say they aren't talking to you anyway. Do you get this emotional over every conflict in life? I think there's a story here. Alas, I'm not your shrink so I'll leave you alone. But I'm gonna keep watching and enjoying the show...cause I'M NOT THREATENED by it.

    But, Dude, take some anger management classes for the sake of the rest of society, huh?
    posted by Missy
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 1:33 am
  829. Missy,

    To me you sound like a peacable enough person. But are you sure that God isn't opening your eyes just a bit to the Truth? I've seen your posts. I can tell you are seeking. I know you are an athiest. But I've heard a lot of so called athiests claim that. Would you say you know EVERYTHING there is to know in life? Would you say you know half of EVERYTHING there is to know? Of course your answer is going to be, "no". If I'm right and you're catching my point, let me ask you this; Is it possible that God exists in the other half of EVERYTHING there is to know? If you answered with a yes, then you are not an athiest, you are at best an agnostic. If you believe there is possibly something, or someone out there who is God then you are not an athiest. I'd love to tell you who that Someone is! Others here have also made Him known. I think you've actually seen it and you've seen that those who know Him are not the "haters" others are making them out to be.
    posted by kev
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 1:44 am
  830. Is your "God" the same "God" as Penny's, Hann's, Sarah's, Marris', Mari's, Thankful, etc, Kev? If so, I get it. You don't need to say it again for me. I have read the posts and can read them again if I need to. At least I see the consistance of your faith. Not so sure about group B. They seem a little wishy washy to me. lol!!! A new religion maybe. What ever floats their boat. Don't know why they wanna be called the same thing though. Haven't figured that one out yet.



    You seem kinda nice in your religious sort of way lol! Your sweet. But no, it's not for me. I'll keep watching from here.
    posted by Missy
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 1:58 am
  831. Uh oh...made some spelling errors. Wonder if David is going to yell at me too. *biting and chewing nails in terror* NOT. lol!
    posted by missy
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 2:01 am
  832. Nope. Not the first time I've seen hatred masked by false righteosness with Christians. The most ugly people are those that hide behind the bibles and yeah. It evokes fury from me. Deal with it. Btw I think you should join the sheep Missy yet something tells me you are already in the herd
    posted by David
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 2:09 am
  833. Like I said. I have an uncanny ability to smell bs and that of which stinks of lies. Missy you completely reek. I wouldn't bother to yell at you in person. Too weak.
    posted by David
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 2:18 am
  834. I have not read the book, but a friend has. She described quite a bit of it to me. She also, in the same conversation, discussed the unstability of her marriage. This book has been an escape for her and she was influenced to purchase some items that she now finds more useful without her spouoe. I realized that not all things affect people in the same manner....and NO..it is not right to judge others. However, as Christians, it is our responsibility to lift one another up and protect one another. If something of this world is in conflict with God's word or could in any way pull us from God's plan we should want to lovingly point that out to those we love and hope that those we love would do the same in return.
    posted by Kim repper
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 7:20 am
  835. I agree, Kim.

    "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil, cling to what is good."

    If my fellow believers truly love me they will warn me of evil and rebuke me when I am wrong. I hope and pray for this.

    Glad to see many willing to speak out and be heard.
    posted by blessed
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 7:30 am
  836. @Sincere,

    Thank you. The goodness you see in the posts by those you mentioned comes from Jesus. Keep reading the scriptures and believing what they say. God's word will not come back void.

    One of the reasons there is such hostility directed at us is because people don't like to be wrong or told they're wrong. I've been following this thread for a while and I know that while many have been strong in their defense of the gospel non have been hateful save for those in opposition to it. The world will not understand us or the way we think/believe. There will always be those who nash their teeth at us.

    Sincere, if you are already part of a bible believing church I encourage you to find a mentor. If you are a woman seek out an older mature woman in the faith who can help lead you into understanding. If you are a man, seek out a man. And pray for this person while you seek him/her. God will lead you too the right one. He cares greatly for you. He wants you to grow in your faith. :)
    posted by Liam
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 7:48 am
  837. @Missy,
    I'm wondering, as Kev, if maybe, just maybe your eyes are beginning to see. If they are, don't let the mockers and haters shame you for it. It's a good thing! If we're right you don't need to "go public" with that HERE. But you are in a great place to realize it if it's true. The staff running this site would be able to answer questions I'm sure. We on this blog would not be able to reveal our identities here of course, but we can pray for you!
    posted by Sara
    on Friday, June 29, 2012 at 8:02 am
  838. Here’s the thing, I’m a believer. Also, I’m 100% in love with my precious husband- he is the ONLY MAN I will ever love in a sexual way. And I read all three books in the Shades of Grey series. And so far, my head has not started spinning...so, it seems to me that, so far, being a Christian woman and reading 50 Shades of Grey are not mutually exclusive.

    My personal opinion on the trilogy is that they were very enjoyable to read- not literary masterpieces, of course- but a good beach read and way better than an average Harlequin romance. The books also sparked a lot of great conversation between myself and female friends, as well as really fun conversations with my husband. They did not deeply change my life for the better, but then again, neither did reading the book of Numbers in the Bible. They also did not hurt my faith or my marriage or my ability to talk to God in prayer, but that's me.

    My 50 cents about 50 shades is that I think that the larger Christian community (of which I am a part) needs to take a big chill pill. Scripturally, I think you can pick and choose Bible verses and then argue both sides of this argument indefinitely. You can say, “Sex before marriage is a sin, so you shouldn't read the books” or you can say, “sex is created by God, so you should read the books”, but honestly, it's a little more complicated than that, and it varies from person to person.

    To me, the books did have a larger message- a message that could be construed as positive for women and marriage and sexuality. Would I recommend this trilogy as a topic in a Beth Moore bible study? Probably not. Would I recommend the trilogy for an educated, open-minded, female book club? Absolutely.

    Additionally, it is very interesting that women seem to be making sweeping judgments based on what is only part of the story. Would you judge the Bible based on the first half, the Old Testament? The Bible is not just about David sleeping with Bathsheba or Cain killing Abel and hiding his body, or drunken Noah sleeping with his daughters. It is not just about Solome asking for the head of John the Baptist or the faithless Israelites turning their gold into false idols. As far as I can tell, God’s larger message in the Bible- the big story, the big picture- is that He redeemed the world through His Love by sending His Only Son, Jesus, into a sinful, hurting world. The Bible itself is LOVE STORY between God and His people.

    Has anyone read the book Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers (basically a modern retelling of the book of Hosea)? This amazing book, sold in Christian bookstores, tells the love story between a prostitute and the righteous man who loves her and brings her back to God. The story is at times sexually graphic and often disturbing, but it is essentially a parable for God’s love toward mankind. This book has a larger message of a love that is bigger than fear or sin (just like the Bible does).

    After having read 50 Shades, you could easily argue that Ana, the heroine of the story, REDEEMS Christian, the male character, through her UNCONDITIONAL LOVE toward him. He has a tragic, disturbed past, and through her love, he becomes the kind, compassionate, caring person he is meant to be. Hmmmm, redeeming love….where have I heard that before? I’m not comparing the Bible to 50 Shades of Grey, but I do think that there is a bigger message in this controversial trilogy than just trashy porn or the devil trying to sabotage Christian marriage.

    I also think that different people can see and experience God in different ways. Elijah heard God in a whisper, while God first spoke to Peter in a fishing boat. Jonah found God in the belly of whale, and Moses saw him in a burning bush. Rich Mullins, the Christian musician who wrote “Our God is an Awesome God” and “Step by Step”, saw the love of God in the beauty of the color green. St. Francis of Assisi saw the love of God in birds and squirrels. Mother Theresa saw God in the face of the homeless people on the streets of Calcutta. And Jesus GAVE the love of God to sinners, tax collectors, thieves, diseased old women, lepers, and prostitutes. My point here is that God speaks in different ways to different people, but the message is the same.

    How can you say to another woman, "this book is of the devil and you shouldn't read it" when it may have helped someone regain confidence or rediscover a spark in marriage? It is one thing to talk about what is good and right and holy FOR YOU and quite another to talk about what is good and right and holy for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. As the saying goes, what is good for Peter is not always good for Paul, and vice versa. It is exactly this kind of superior, my-poo-doesn’t-stink, Jesus-only-loves-saints BS that makes the world angry at Christians!

    In my opinion, it is high time to quit judging other women for reading a so-calle