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1. Amen, Nancy! I'm so very thankful for ROH and the True Woman movement that encourage me as I "swim upstream" in our culture, even in the "Christian" culture. I am continually troubled by and puzzled by what I see some Christians allowing their kids to embrace that to me are the world--choices of dress for proms, getting so engrossed in American Idol to the point of going to a concert last week to see our local guy who has made it to the top two, movies they choose to watch, etc. I have four daughters ages 15,10,8, and 7 years old. I'm so thankful to have the tools to teach them about Biblical womanhood in these days. Thank you for being a role model for me and for standing firm on the Truth of God's Word. To God be the glory great things He has done and will do! with much love and gratitude, Vivian
   
   posted by Vivian Etherington
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:50 am
2. Start Early. When my daughters were younger and they dressed themselves for church or a party, they would run into my room and say "Mommy, am I dressed okay?"
   I would reply with Godly conviction , "Hmm let's see... Is kindness bound around your neck, do you have on your belt of truth, have you taken time to forgive yourself and others, etc. They would say, "No mom, I mean my clothes" Which I would reply, Oh that, you look covered properly , clean and neat, great job dressing" Today they are 18 & 15 and have strong convictions how to dress influencing their church , family, and community for the honor of Jesus Christ. Start Early & emphasize the heart and inner beauty and the outer will follow :D
   
   posted by Judy G.
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:57 am
3. As a wife, mother of three daughters and a pastor's wife I have seen far too often that there is a disconnect between the gospel and what we wear, who we date and marry and how life is lived. My goal is to always point women to Jesus and the fact that man and woman was made in the image of God and are we reflecting that image? Thank you for this post.
   
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   posted by Jody
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:59 am
4. Thank you so much Nancy! It grieves me to see how many have embraced the culture of this age and have become numb to the "in your face" immodesty and the trash that the media portrays as "normal" I believe that God would rather us be cold than lukewarm (riding fences). There is no fervor or passion except for a small number in the church as a whole. I think that there are many who are not true believers because they have bought into the fleshly desires of the world and hold those "idols" in their hearts. God said you can not worship 2 Masters because you will only be loyal to one of them. My prayer is that our generation and the one coming after us wake up and come to know and believe God's word and realize that the enemy has ensnared their souls and without transformation they will be destroyed.
   
   posted by Barbara
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 9:00 am
5. This is a very tough subject. I have a 17 year old daughter whom I've tried to raise to hold her own body as valuable. She does a good job for the most part, but it is difficult when she goes to an Evangelical, Conservative, Christian school whose students (outside of school) do not look much if any different than the rest of the world. The girls at her school are the Carrie Prejeans for the world. Beautiful, Christian girls who have basic understanding and knowledge of right and wrong but, as you said, have not discovered (or have chosen not to see) the difference between Christianity and Christ-likeness. Those should be one and the same. I don't want to be judgmental because I know it's easy to judge from outward appearance when if someone could see my attitude and heart sometimes, I'd be just as immodest and/or immoral as any that we see on TV and elsewhere. I believe this story should cause us all to examine our hearts. How feminine, modest, holy are we in our hearts. That will be(should be) reflected in/on our bodies.
   
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   posted by lisa simmons
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 9:08 am
6. Nancy, where are the women of Titus2?! I've been in church ALL my life, and to my knowledge, I've never known of ANY one teaching Titus 2!
   That's why I'm SOOOO thankful for your ministry. I'm in my 40's and I want to learn HOW to life Titus 2. YOU CAN NOT TEACH SOMETHING YOU DO NOT KNOW!
   You can't really blame the younger generation, the blame is with the older generation for not teaching the younger generation. God help us!
   
   posted by Annette
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 9:14 am
7. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am so happy there is a place where women can come and get the truth of God's word, His holiness, and confront us with it. Nancy, I am so grateful for ROH! I'm in my mid-30's but have begun to mentor a younger woman. I'm taking the truths of Titus 2 and am giving her counsel on how to love her husband and children and how to work at home. I have not mastered these skills myself but I felt what I have learned I can share with someone else. Lord, I'm willing to become a Titus 2 woman. My life I want to live for your glory!!
   
   posted by IM
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 10:29 am
8. I'm glad to see this issue finally addressed by someone. I've not seen or heard any concern over the modesty issue elsewhere, and was beginning wonder if anyone else noticed or cared. Thanks for being a lone voice Nancy!
   
   posted by Cathy T.
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 10:52 am
9. Thank you for this reminder that as believers, we can not compartmentalize our Christianity. How I pray that God will raise up mothers and fathers to speak into the lives pf their children and that God would shake the very foundations of the mixed messages that we have sent over the years.
   
   How thankful we can be that He is faithful, even when we are not.
   
   posted by mary
   on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:12 am
10. The word of God is so powerful and those who choose to stand for it and on it are powerful too.
    I too pay close attention to people confessions and if they confess they are Christians I look immediatly for the fruit. This I have learned to do through the Holy Spirit.
    Not everyone who says they are Christians are that. However, there are many who do love the Lord and have an area that has not been surrendered fully to the Lord that pretty much sticks out like a sore thumb.
    I look at Carrie Prejean topic and I am grateful that the Christian family has embraced her the way that they have. Our young females and males today are faced with so much and it is time we begin to encourge them for the boldness that they show for Christ. If we can beating them down and say that you missed a mark in this area, sooner or later they will feel they can never reach the mark that we as believers keep setting up for them. The way to help our young females and males is when they do something for the gospel we need to celebrate and keep encourge them, just like Christ does for us. Every obedient step we take He is pleased, God does not talk about where we are not yet, He talks about how close we are getting to where He desires us to be. We can discourge our young females and males that when they take bold steps in the direction of Christ and when we beat them down or highlight the areas of their weakness it pushes them away from the cross.
    We as older women and men do have a responsiblity to teach our young females and males modesty and holiness in all areas of their lives, but this will not be joyfully recieved if we keep highlighting the areas of their failures and down playing their small steps of obedience.
    Our young females and males need more than lessons in how to dress, but they need to know that God loves them and He is pleased when they choose to follow Him one step at a time.
    
    posted by Elizabeth
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:21 am
11. Thank you for mentioning the modesty issue. It was pretty interesting seeing the news story about her viewpoint on marriage, and becoming a "spokesperson" for conservatism, while flashing her in a bikini and other "fuzzied" inappropriate photos of her.
    
    posted by Joanna
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:33 am
12. Amen, dear Nancy! Yes, modesty of dress and heart is so important. I am thankful for excellent teaching at our church in this area, which your teaching affirms. Although I've been a Christian for many years and had this basic concept all along, it was only several years ago that the Lord put it on the heart of ministry in our assembly to address these areas more specifically, which was very helpful. We even received a pamphlet on modesty written from a male perspective, which was particularly insightful and convicting to me! I had to make further wardrobe/habit changes. By God's grace, I am walking today in a deeper modesty (not legalism, but the freedom of obedience!) today as a result.
    
    The posts on this blog are so helpful. I find the recent posts written by Mary K., Kimberly and Paula to be heart-searching and deep! It is true that though we can have the modesty part together on the outside, we must always be careful to guard our hearts!
    
    And lastly, Nancy -- your challenge to us to cry out to the Lord for our daughters, granddaughters, the younger generation of women -- to model Christ for them and then mentor them -- I know this is so important, and I desire to live it out more fully. I am thankful to have a real example in my pastor's wife, in her zeal in this area. The younger women need us to show them the way, once we've got ourselves together!
    
    In His love you all you True Women!! (Col. 1:9-11)
    
    posted by Leslie S.
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:36 am
13. I too want to thank you Nancy for your biblical insight. I know that when I read something you have written it is not just an opinion it is based on God's Word. I was not raised in a Christian home, but I do not "blame" anyone for the mistakes I made as a young woman and once you have accepted Christ as your Savior and He sends the Holy Spirit to live within you, you really do not have anyone to blame for your actions but yourself. Whether there are Titus 2 women in your life or not you should be reading His Word and deciphering what He wants you to do. My prayer is that older women do stand up and take the initiative to help the younger women, but the younger women need to be approachable. Let us not forget that the younger women can reach out to the older women and ask for help. Who will take the first step?
    
    posted by Barbara C.
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:38 am
14. My heart is so thankful for the ministry of Revive Our Hearts and how it is touching the lives of women--both young and older--to live the life of modesty. Thank you, Nancy, for being an example of holiness before us.
    
    posted by Charlotte Staubs
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:49 am
15. Elizabeth(above post), While I agree we need to encourage our fellow sisters when they make the right choices, we also are called to holiness. We can water down the gospel to fit anyone according to where they are in their walk, and rightfully so in order to lead them to Christ. However, our leading should point them to emulate Christ and the biblical model of femininity. The world is watching this all unfold on television and a skimpy bikini and suggestive dancing are now the poster girl for a Christian woman. This is tragic for our girls and young women to be so deceived. We all learn and grow at differing levels, I myself have had to have several closet purgings to rid my own wardrobe of immodest clothing that crept in, seemingly without my noticing. My concern here is the acceptance and lack of comment concerning anything but her answer to the question. While I applaud her stance, we must be honest with her and other young girls seeking to live a life sold out to Christ. To me it seems similar to walking in and finding your child covered in milk, syrup and flour, only to discover that they were "fixing you breakfast". While I would applaud the thought, I would HAVE to discipline the behavior in order to keep it from happening again. If we want our girls to learn to stand up for Christ, lets encourage them to not wear the bikini in the first place.
    
    posted by M Dawn Rose
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 12:04 pm
16. The message posted on this blog was also given over the air today on our radio station. It echoed my thoughts exactly. I've been wondering if other people were questioning all that surrounds the couragous statement Prejean made, or just me.
    I've been amazed that she has been so lauded as a Christian and yet so obviously flaunts her body. I'm not saying I don't appreciate what she said and under the circumstances that would eventually affect her, but even a non-Christian can stand up for what he/she believes. It's the application of biblical truth that is also important. "We may be the only Bible the world sees." We must reflect His teachings.
    
    WRMB
    posted by Donna
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 12:33 pm
17. Thanks Nancy for your post. Sadly, the words and the deeds are not in line for me as I follow this story. I applaud on one hand and cringe on the other hand.
    I fear that many women in Christ have not been given adequate teaching of how the Creator made male and female bodies to function. There is a lack of respect and appreciation for one another in the area of sexual function and a lack of knowledge about the triggers that cause each one to act out. Women will never receive affirmation and value from externals. True worth and value is only rooted in a vital relationship with Jesus Christ.
    
    posted by Marsha Schreiber
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 12:37 pm
18. Dear Nancy: Thank you for sharing. I agree with you! But also when persons read this - some might say "oh, that is so legalistic". And "it's what is in my heart that is important." My answer to that is that when we put God first where he belongs - obedience is a joy. John Piper's ministry has one of my favorite quotes: "God is most glorified in me, when I am most satisfied in Him" I did put it in the first person. The puritan writers got it right - they were so focused on God and the right form of worship - externals were part of worshipping God. God should comes first in our lives. Yes, modesty is part of worshipping God.
    
    Our world is changing and sliding down so fast - we need to keep our seat belt fasten to God's word, worship Him with our whole hearts and love others in a way that shows Christ's love.
    
    Who are Carrie's mentors - we need to pray for them.
    
    posted by Barbara Field
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 1:20 pm
19. Dawn Rose (above post), thank you for responding to my post. I truly understand what angle you are coming from I do. As a woman of God I desire to reflect Him in all that I do, this includes my outward apperance. I am not disregarding modesty in the least bit when I speak my heart, but I just know that Carrie Prejean who professes to be a Christian is a young women who God is not finished with yet as he is not with any of us. Nancy says perfectly that many of our young women have taken on the liberal view of Christianty, but sooner or later our convictions will be brought to the forefront, we will be asked who side are we on, and what will be our answer? I embrace Carrie Prejean and all of her imperfections because I know that our God sees many of hearts that are more despicable than Carrie's Prejeans choice of clothes are the lack thereof. My responsiblity in our young women's life is to keep encourging them in the ways of the Lord, and it is the Holy Spirit's job to convict them of the things that need to be changed and made right. It's like a child that recieves a reward for a science and their parents are upset because the child didn't recieve the other award too. With the right words and encourgement Carrie will become all that God has planned for her to be. Instead of ripping a part her appearl or lack of, let's pray for her the truth she knows, she has professed that, now let us let the truth work its way deeply in our hearts as we have allowed it to do for us.
    
    posted by Elizabeth
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm
20. I agree with the difficulties we face with so many women not seeing clear role models in christian living including our dress. I would caution us to not judge others as not being true believers because of their attire. They may not have been convicted by the spirit or they may have been trained that it isn't what we wear but how we behave. More importantly we need to become role models, we start voicing to the makers of fashion that certain things aren't appropriate. Have you looked at the name of some underwear which encourages you to wear it so others could see it? Our purchasing of these items says we agree with what they are selling. We need to voice our opinion in a way that says we wish to dress appropriately give us a choice. We need to say no to the inappropriate and choose appropriate for ourselves to be modest in example for the younger women.
    
    posted by MaLinda
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:22 pm
21. You don't mention why you think Carrie is so impure. Maybe the problem with the church today is that people are running from it, tired of getting shot if they disagree on any little thing. A society that shoots it's wounded and attack each other will fade away and die.
    
    posted by Bonnie
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm
22. You couldn't have stated this any better. I have a 5month old daughter and pray I will not only set a good example of how a godly woman behaves, dresses, treats others; but that God will grant me the wisdom to not just let ungodly behaviour "slide" or think she is just having "innocent fun." What a great blog this is.
    
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    posted by Gabriela Gammo
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:34 pm
23. I came to the Revive our Hearts site because my heart is heavy having just attended a Junior/ Senior Banquet (like Prom) at the Christian High School where we serve.
    
    I was so shocked at the girls lack of clothing. So shocked I wanted to leave. And then I saw the adult leader's dresses. What goes on here?! They were showing so much of their bodies to the men and boys around them!
    
    I know the girls have bought the values of the worldly dress, and are confused about their roles as sisters, and what true beauty is- but their role models?
    
    How can I influence my sisters for good? My first response was one of shock and disbelief. I think Jesus would have seen them differently. Please pray as I am a new member of this community, and do not have the "clout" to speak about the "dress code" yet. My heart is heavy.
    
    Thank you for your resources, and for responding to the events of the day. We need your ministry. We need God's love in our hearts, and His divine influence.
    
    posted by Bonnie
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm
24. Wow - what an assortment of reactions!! Thanks to Nancy for God's grace and truth in her statement. Jesus is "full of grace and truth" and that's what we are to be as Christians. He is gracious to us and tenderly patient while He teaches us His mind. Can we do less for others? I, too see the world filtering into the church, and I've come to see how important it is for us to have the mind of Christ. For some of us, that takes a major overhaul, and others maybe not as much, but regardless, we do need to bring our thoughts and actions to what God would have them be. While it's discouraging to see the world's influence on our young people, I would like to give you all encouragement as I also see godly young people who are also mentoring others into godly living. I have 5 adult children . Four boys are recently married or engaged to modest . godly woman. My daughter is also modest and follows God.
    Several of these work directly with youth; loving, encouraging, and teaching them. My daughter-in-law has taught and continues to teach her 3 girls (ages 10, 7, & 2) modesty in dress and thought. In our family, it seems that we come upon this topic often, because of what these young people see with the youth in our churches, all the females we have, and choices we've had to made with recent wedding attire!! It's a blessing to see these young men and women care for & encourage each other in their walk, and also to see husbands caring for their wives in this way. Others in our church also mentor young people and have God's perspective on things as their teaching. We do need mature woman mentoring younger woman on many things. We also need to show the world Jesus in all ways, including His graciousness. My husband was frustrated that Carrie was embraced so quickly as a "Christian spokesperson" . It makes it difficult sometimes to explain to unbelievers that we are not perfect yet, but forgiven. or why Carrie would dress as she did. Unfortunately the world expects perfection when we preach holiness, and of course we need to keep our words and actions in sync. What a shame that we've seemed to put a young lamb in front of the wolves so to speak. I too, applaud her courage in speaking out for the family unit that God intends for us. I'm glad that this incident has sparked discussions in young girls lives and others. It's an opportunity for much good to come out of it - a chance to bring God's plan for woman to the forefront of teaching - in homes, youth groups, and more. I'm guessing that Carrie is going to be examining herself after all this too. I think we need to encourage her, pray for her, and also pray that the Gospel will be spread through this & God's standard is rightfully and graciously presented.
    
    posted by Bonnie San Filippo
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:19 pm
25. I think we can rejoice that the Lord has used Miss California to bring God's design for marriage into the public light. Unfortunately, the media is quick to pick at our inconsistencies as Christians.
    I would have to agree with Elisabeth that we need to show grace to Miss California, come along side her, encourage her, not condemn her. She may have been blinded and unaware of the affect of her clothing. If she is truly a believer, she is growing in the Lord, just as we all are. Yes, she needs some guidance and encouragement in modesty.
    This encourages all of us to look to our own wardrobes and our own hearts before the Lord.
    I've always been thankful for Nancy's teaching on modesty starting with our heart's desire to please the Lord. May we continue to pray that God would receive the glory in all that we say and do.
    
    posted by Margaret
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:56 pm
26. My husband and I watched a news story about Miss Prejean, and as she was shown parading the stage in a barely there bikini, one newsperson said, "I'm sure her grandfather would be proud of her." (Miss Prejean had made a statement that she had exercised the free speech that her grandfather had fought for). I commented to my husband, "Do you think he would be proud of her for flaunting her practically naked body in front of the country?" At one time in my life, I, too, thought nothing of wearing a bikini or other immodest clothing and professing faith in Christ. But I do not believe that I was really a follower of Christ at that time, because once I got serious with God, the thought of wearing something so skimpy was horrifying to me! Once the blinders came off, I was so ashamed about how I had dressed for so many years. Why hadn't anyone talked to me? I went to church week in and week out, often wearing inappropriate things, yet no one ever tried to help me see my sin.
    Thank you, Nancy, for upholding Biblical standards that seem to be virtually ignored in most Christian circles today. You are right, we should be crying out to God for a revival of personal holiness in the lives of those of claim Christ as their Savior. Lord, forgive us!
    
    posted by Melissa Ross
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 6:56 pm
27. I always ask my single friends, "If you do marry, you will marry a man on the same spiritual plain as you. Is that good enough?" I don't have to wonder what kind of man would be attracted to Miss Prejean. Christian men should be offended at her attire and photos.
    
    Our outward appearance is a reflection of our inward countenance with God. We, as people, should dress in a way that does not distract from God. A good way to figure out if you are dressed immodestly is this...ask yourself while looking in a mirror, "when someone looks at me where will their eyes go?" Ask your husband, too! I want to look cute and trendy, but I would much rather someone see the smile that comes from having a joy in my Savior.
    
    I think it is sad that I have to take my 7 year old in a fitting room to try on clothes to make sure they are modest. It is even more sad that my 5 year old son will point out women and whisper, "That's not modest, right mommy?" I don't want him to have to think about that...and I don't point it out to him, but he already notices.
    
    Oh, be careful little eyes what you see... So true, isn't it?
    
    posted by Kerry Shealy
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 7:00 pm
28. I am so thankful for this post concerning Miss Prejean. Although her perspective on marriage is biblical, her choices in modeling have not reflected God's standard. Though we live in a world of acceptance, God's standards of modesty, honesty, and purity never change. No wonder our young girls are confused about what true biblical womanhood looks like. When our hearts have a true understanding of God's heart towards us, we will not compromise God's values concerning us as women of faith. We are his creation, designed to give honor and glory to him. Let's pray for young woman to take hold of Godly truths and be excited about applying them victoriously.
    
    posted by Danna Jones
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 7:55 pm
29. I am so saddened by the few responses that feel Nancy is being judgmental or anything else negative.
    The Bible is very clear on modesty and purity, and to hold to ANY other form of attire is simply untrue to scripture.
    Amen to this blog post Nancy. Keep on doing what you are doing, and may the eyes of all of the women in this country/world some day be enlightened to see what kind of truth/untruth they are really walking in.
    From a very modestly dressed, conservative believer who loves the Lord with all her heart.
    Blessings
    Chris
    
    posted by Chris Waughtal
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 7:59 pm
30. I am VERY heavy hearted about the disconnect I see between theology, psychology and biology!! I hear it justified in MY (50 year old) generation. Since when did Christianity ever become about what I want?
    
    posted by Cindy
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:15 pm
31. Luke 18:9 "And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and viewed others with contempt:"
    I sense that most of you are "thanking God you are not like Carrie Prejean." How unfortunate that we have forgotten about the tax collector who beat his chest and said, "God be merciful to me a sinner!" Carrie Prejean is only 21 years old, yet she took a courageous stand many of us would not take. She has been a target of the media and has remained steadfast to her God and her convictions. Perhaps she has done some things as a 17 year old that she regrets. Haven't we all!! None of us has a pristine past. Raise your standard of "good" ladies. No one is good, but God. I am proud of Carrie. May we all go forward from here. None of us can undo the past. And as far as what kind of "Christian" man would be attracted to her. I'll tell you what kind, a man that understands GRACE. Praise God.
    
    posted by Liz
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:17 pm
32. Thank you so much for addressing this issue.
    
    posted by Leslie H
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:20 pm
33. The example of Esther has been used by Evangelicals to justify participation in "beauty" pagents. I remember as a teen the Miss Americas who were put on display as Christians. Unfortunately, things have become worse.
    
    I can think of another Christian woman who has made a strong moral stand regarding abortion, but is not a biblical role model, and that is Sarah Palin. The biblical thing for her to do, and it would be choosing the better part for eternity, would be to finish her term as Alaska's governor and then go home to her family and husband.
    
    posted by Susan
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:28 pm
34. Perhaps we should pray for Carrie and Sarah.
    
    I would be excited to see Sarah Palin on the the next republican ticket. Am I hearing you say .. married Christian women shouldn't be involved in politics? My mother-in-law raised six kids alone after her husband died, and she supported them by being elected to a local office. She served her county for 36 years. (and was a very modest lady as well) I would vote for Sarah or anyone like her who stands for Christian values.
    
    posted by Liz
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 8:59 pm
35. I published a post very similar to this on another Christian website. Although the topic was Biblical feminity with Prejean as the focus, I was surprised more women didn't bring up the disjoint of Christian claim and Christian fruit.
    
    The indwelling Holy Spirit convicts our hearts when we are in contrast to God's word even when we haven't learned scripture to appropriate it. That's what's so wonderful about our God. He leads us to his truth.
    
    What kind of message of Christ are we sending to the world when we look and act just like them. I, too, am an inspector of fruit, and when there is no evidence, I have to wonder what's wrong with the root.
    
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    posted by Shelley D
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 9:17 pm
36. Thank you for this Nancy. It is 'better to obey God rather than men'
    
    I pray for this girl and others growing up in the church where few examples are left.
    
    Revive our Hearts
    posted by Cindy Ryba
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 9:31 pm
37. Thank you, Nancy for your thoughtful, non-judgemental view on this matter. I knew I couldn't possibly been the only woman who emailed you and asked your opinion.
    As always, you take us to the point of searching our own hearts and the importance of Titus 2 relationships.
    I wrote about this on my blog and on another Christian women's website I write for not long after it happened. As an older woman, I was calling out to younger women about their take on modesty. How refreshing it was was to have all but one be in total agreement with the modesty issue of Christian women today.
    I'm truly thankful Miss Prejean took this bold stand. I have no doubt God is using this for His glory despite the controversy.
    I know for me personally, it's made me more resolved to be a Biblical role model to the young at risk teen girls I teach.
    
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    posted by Marsha Harwood
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 10:04 pm
38. I agree. But what counts is what the word of God says. I honestly believe she answered it the best way she could in a loving manner but it did not matter how kind she was in answering the question. However, she went through something that meant her making hard choices. Please the world or God. She had taken a chance and when she made the right choice, the judge who asked her the question exposed her past. I do not agree our children should have role models that are involved in the public eye such as movie stars,beauty queens and so forth. Parents will always be remembered when our children go out into the real world. They will use their memories of how we handled situations before they think of a celebrity. I know I often reflect to the women I have known in my life. And how they were examples to me as a young woman. None of them were famous in the worlds eyes. Thank you for the misnistry God has allowed you to have. It has helped me as a mother and a woman trying to grow in the Lord.
    
    posted by Tracy Asbury
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:18 pm
39. God put something on my heart tonight. Jesus warned
    us of these times. We must remember what it says
    in Ephesians 2:1-3
    And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
    2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of
    this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
    of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
    3 Among them we too all formely lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
    Who is the prince of the power of the air? (tv) Would he not
    use a truth and a lie? We must know that the Devil's schemes are more and more subtle. He uses trickery and deception to fool the hearts of men. Would he not use the temptation of the flesh to create mockery for the Kingdom of God?
    
    posted by Michele
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:25 pm
40. As a wife dealing with the cruel actions/aftermath of discovering her former pastor-husband's addiction to porn...I know all too well the pain that comes from a man giving into this hyper-sexed, easy access society ...and it is so dismaying to see what tempts my husband (and yours) being paraded as "Christian". I am also a school teacher and have a young daughter. I have seen little girls as young as 6 dressed like "provacative teenagers" and finding clothing for my 9 year old daughter that is not "teenager" is difficult ... and it doesn't help deal with the pressure to "conform" when girls her age at church are wearing short-shorts, etc. While I think there are applications in many areas of our society, I think the Scripture that teaches that in the last days there will be deceptions that, if possible, will even deceive the elect is part of what we are seeing as a "mindset" about their bodies/sex of this next generation of young Christian women. The Word says "my people perish for a lack of knowledge". People who are decieved do not know that they are...and the "antecdote"...the Scriptures (the knowledge we need)...are even less read and sought for now than ever. While modelling, teaching, etc. are important aspects of helping, there is a principle of spiritual warfare that, when we pray, we need to have knowledge of and we need to apply if we are going to overcome this stronghold in the lives of women/girls God brings into our lives to help. We need to realize that we wrestle not with flesh and blood (such as the Miss Prejeans or the Hannah Montannah's of our culture) but with the spirit of Baal, Jezebel, and Ashteroth - the worship of food and sex and female rebellion that was/is/has been characteristic of every society that has turned from God...including the Israelites. AND we need to realize that that stronghold is one of the strongest because of the force of the demonic activity attached to sexual immorality. All satanic/cultic worship involves sexual rituals. I call you, women of Christ, to spend less time in words written/spoken about the people in bondage, and to instead plead the blood of our precious Saviour Jesus and overcome the demonic forces enslaving them by the Word of your testimony in prayer for them and others in your sphere of influence. But make sure you are properly prepared yourself...clothed both spiritually and physically as what pleases the Lord...it is a real battle and the Enemy will take advantage of a weakness in your own armour to try to steal, kill, or destroy you or those you love. Praise be to God that we have weapons to allow us to stand against the Enemy and stand for our sisters in Christ!
    
    posted by Debbie
    on Friday, May 15, 2009 at 11:28 pm
41. AMEN AMEN and AMEN Nancy, I pray for the body of Christ to stand for holiness, purity and righteousness. May the older woman be a witness and share the truth of the gospel and may it truly be life transforming, transforming us into modest, chaste, discerming, biblically feminine and beautiful from the inside out.
    
    posted by Carmen Threatt
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 12:25 am
42. I would appreciate knowing where to get the pamphlet on modesty written from a male perspective that was handed out in the church of poster Leslie S. !!
    I pray that Carrie will reconsider how she displays her body to the world. Unfortunately, many girls are not taught about modesty. I just finished teaching a unit on purity and modesty using Secret Keeper Girl material to my class of 5th and 6th grade girls at my church. I finished the unit with a gift of a necklace that pictures a heart surrounded by the words "worth the wait" from Heritage House. I pray the message will take root in their hearts. Some of the teen girls in our Sunday school class are attempting to dress modestly but falling short in low rider pants that expose too much when they sit and shirts that don't cover well when they move around. I'm sure they look fine to themselves when standing up straight in front of a mirror... but sitting and bending change the "exposure". This fact doesn't seem to be taken into consideration by many of the girls and women in our churches.
    
    posted by Julie M.
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 12:11 pm
43. Thank you so much! As a young woman who at times seems overwhelmed by the culture (even in the church!), I can always count on ROH and you, Nancy, to encourage my heart and give me greater vision.
    
    This has been a sticky issue for me. I'm prone to condemn people due to my pride, but it's been difficult to gage whether my thoughts are of pride or of the Holy Spirit! While I am glad that Carrie stood up for a godly principle, I cannot ignore her career choice. I pray God will give her a new view of Biblical femininity and modesty.
    
    I will be sharing this with my friends...thank you!
    
    God bless!
    
    posted by Kristy
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 2:03 pm
44. I am not saying women should not be in politics. That your WIDOWED mother-in-law was able to rear six children by supporting them by an elected office was probably the Lord's provision. Sarah Palin has a husband and young children. Being a governor is time comsuming. Once her family is grown, then she could return to politics. I recently read that an actress, whose name I can't remember, put her career on hold to rear her children. She then returned to acting. She made the comment that women can do anything, but not all at the same time.
    
    Also, Deborah was a judge during Israel's history when everyone did what was right in their own eyes.
    
    posted by Susan
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 2:29 pm
45. Whew! Thanks Mrs. De Le Moss, for a moment there I thought something was wrong everytime I listened to christian radio and Carrie Prejean was being lifted on a pedestal as if she is now the christian spoke person of rightouesness. I applaud her courage about marriage, however I have unsaved family members who would have said the same thing. My prayers are with her as she goes through this ordeal and as she sees what God wants for her. Isn't our God awesome!! I do not want to be too harsh on Carrie Prejean, but evangelicals are missing the mark as we preach one thing and show another. It's time jugdgement begins with us first!
    
    posted by Linda
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm
46. Thanks again Nancy! Your gentle spirit is evident in the way you have approached this issue. I was dismayed at the "passion" with which the far-right and the far-left simoultaneously "piled-on" Carrie Prejean. It is still amazing to me how many Christians will villify this woman without considering the exact points made in your post. She is the product of the "double-minded" Christian in name only generation. She got an immediate e-mail from me praising her stand, while also admonishing her to get back to the Jesus of the Scriptures who requires us NOT to conform to this world but be transformed. What really matters in this saga is where she goes from here. I hope and pray that you, Nancy, will be able to speak to her personally as you have so eloquently spoken in this post.
    
    posted by Jeff Valind
    on Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 7:46 pm
47. Nancy,
    Thank you very much for responding on this matter. I am so grateful to God for the ministry of ROH and the time you are sacrificing to study the word of God and sharing it. Seeing our younger girls in such an unmodest style is heart breaking. I feel pity on their mothers, how they can let their youung ones body a public show?? If we, mom take a step we can educate our children on this issue. I have a teenage girl alway struggling to make sure that she dresses modestly. This year for the prom, getting a modest dress was a very difficult issue. But we took the matter to the LORD and to be our surprise she got a beautiful perfectly modest dress for very affordable price. Our LORD can meet our needs. Again thank you Nancy for the time and dedication you've taken to teach. Our prayers are always with you. So please go forward
    
    posted by Susan Ancheril
    on Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 4:49 pm
48. Thank you, Nancy, for a very thoughtful and gracious response to this issue. My husband (a pastor) and I had a lengthy discussion about this very subject, and came to many of the same conclusions mentioned in your statements. We MUST love one another - as fellow sisters in Christ - to strengthen one another, even when that means saying hard, unpopular things. Love means taking risks - even when in means that the person you are going to talk to about a fault could reject you, accuse you of being legalistic, judgemental, etc., or get angry. To those who urged that we should only be encouraging to these young women - not speak to them about their fault - and pray that the Holy Spirit will convict them, I ask you to consider this: Scripture (which is the most-used tool of the Holy Spirit) COMMANDS us to SPEAK to one another about sins/faults! This is to be done in love, with the motivation of seeing that person grow, and with an attitude of self-examination - but we are to SPEAK! Iron sharpens iron - faithful are the wounds of a friend - If you see a brother (or sister) that has fallen into sin, go to that person and show them their sin - these are just a few of the passages that come to mind. Yes, we celebrate and encourage the growth we see in our friends, and we rejoice with them, and they with us when we are growing! Yes, we pray hard and often that God will work in their lives and convict them of sin and help them to grow and change to be more like Christ. BUT, we must love one another enough to confront. I thank God for the dear, dear friends that He has allowed in my life that love me enough to point out my sin. Man, do I need it - because I always give myself the benefit of the doubt!
    
    posted by Karen S.
    on Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 9:28 pm
49. Amen Nancy. Though we have to be careful not to condemn Carrie for her past choices with the nude pics and flaunting the bikini. I think it took this experience for her to get a revelation about who she is and how she's suppose to be representing Christ.
    
    Sometimes God will take you through challenging experiences to bring you to your knees to turn you around and do what God has called you to do. Carrie hopefully has greatly matured as a Christian from this experience and is moving by God's grace into her calling. So let's keep praying for Carrie that she stays in God's Will and purpose for her life.
    
    posted by Taji
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 2:31 am
50. To Julie M. (I hope you see this!),
    
    Here are the two resources that were handed out at my church when we did a study on modesty. I know Nancy Leigh DeMoss has some great resources on this subject, and I have heard that Joshua Harris does as well. But the pamphlet to which I was specifically referring was the first one listed below. The second one appears to be in book form when you google it, but we were given it in pamphlet form as well (Jeff Pollard) -- I believe it was also intersting and helpful. These resources are both from a male perspective, which I found to be important to consider, as a sister in Christ who desires to be modest and not stumble my brothers in Christ, or men in the world! Here are the resources:
    
    The Sin of Bath-Sheba (written by "A Brother in Christ" -- I found two links to the article:)
    
    www.momof9splace.com/sinof.html
    
    www.ourchurch.com/member/s/Share_Essential/index.php?p=1_5
    
    Christian Modesty and The Public Undressing of America, by Jeff Pollard
    
    (There are links to this second resource as a book, if you google the title -- we got it as a paper booklet)
    
    May the Lord give us all the balance in Christian modesty, and help us live with a true purity of heart!
    
    In His love to all my brethren in Christ,
    
    posted by Leslie S.
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 8:42 am
51. Nancy,
    
    What wonderful and powerful writing. I have had the privilege of being raised in a church where Titus 2 was taught and was very encouraged. I am the product of older women taking the time to lead and teach me the ways of God. I have received the label of being legalistic more times than I care to count. I do not see it that way. I am not forced to do anything. I choose to dress in a way that is pleasing to God to represent the kingdom of God. It' my desire to do so.
    
    I was reading a book yesterday that put it well. Legalism is where you feel you are to do certain things to please a person or a group of people. If we aim to please God it is not legalism, it's actually a process of sanctification and dedication to God. It would be one thing if the guidelines to modesty and godliness were not so obvious in the word of God, but you are right, the church has been extremely accomodating to the world instead of the opposite, for fear of our own lives being put in some form of danger.
    
    We live in an adulterated society where the church world is "stepping out" on God to get a taste of the world yet keeping the name of Christianity in our lives so that we do not feel so guilty. I am inclined to believe that God is not as tolerant of our behavior as our society has come to believe that he is. God has not changed, no matter how much we attempt to water down the truth as the generations pass. My generation - the 20-30 year age group - is a slap in the face to God and an embarrassment to the name of Christianity. It's the age of EASY BELIEVISM.
    
    posted by Anita
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 9:18 am
52. Excellent post
    
    http://lisanunley.blogspot.com/
    posted by Lisa Nunley
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 9:53 am
53. I'm a 56 year old. Mother of three sons, ages 15, 17 and 24. Regenerated myself, I recognize the signs in young women and am often called to 'suffer' for the cause of Christ and follow the old ways, not listening to the young counselors.
    I find Nancy, as always, calling for prayer for the nations to follow Christ. That is always a proper response and one we do well to adhere to.
    Keep telling the story, in current terms, so that we have a model to set and follow. In Christ we are always victorious, appropriately.
    Sybil
    
    posted by Sybil Mitchell Simmons
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 11:03 am
54. Very good post. I've often wondered how to address fellow church members on certain issues. Whether it be a very short skirt on Sunday morning or a small group going to watch a movie like "Sex and the City". I say this being mindful of my own responsibility towards God for my thoughts, sights and actions.
    
    http://hereiblog.com
    posted by Mark|hereiblog
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 11:08 am
55. Nancy,
    Thank you VERY much for addressing this issue. Too many Christians have turned a blind eye to Carrie's sin and justified it all because she answered a question in defense of traditional marriage. We can not put down our discernment just because someone claims to be a Christian. I am not saying that Carrie is not a Christian but if you look at the fruit that she has produced, there is a definite disconnect between her profession of faith and her walk. Carrie lied about her past photos when she signed the contract to compete in the pageant. As a Christian, she should have disclosed ALL information about past photos she had taken so she would have acted with integrity. That would have been courageous. Also, when signing a contract, a Christian needs to follow the terms of that contract. She went outside the bounds of that contract when she did not get clearance for all of her public appearances as stated in the contract she agreed to.
    Now, the matter of the photos that were taken. Yes, she did take photos at 17 but she also took photos at 20 in skimpy clothing and a top that revealed her breasts. When asked about those pictures, Carrie said the wind blew her top open in between photo shoots and the photographer snapped those pictures. This is a clear lie. This does harm to the cause of the Gospel when a professing Christian publicly lies and it perpetuates the unbelieving world thinking that Christians are all hypocrites. And it doesnt help when certain sectors of the Church and Christian media and subculture exalt Carrie and prop her up as a role model.
    I do have sympathy for Carrie because she has tremendous pressures from all sides but it is time for her to take a step back from the media. Stop being the poster girl for the cause du jour and take some time and reflect and really search the scriptures for what sanctification looks like.
    I have a 13 year old daughter and i do not want her looking up to Carrie with her fake body parts, immodest dress, and her problems with personal integrity and honesty.
    
    posted by sam
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 11:46 am
56. Very good post. I've often wondered how to address fellow church members on certain issues. Whether it be a very short skirt on Sunday morning or a small group going to watch a movie like "Sex and the City". I say this being mindful of my own responsibility towards God for my thoughts, sights and actions.
    
    http://hereiblog.com
    posted by Mark|hereiblog
    on Monday, May 18, 2009 at 12:14 pm
57. GOD BLESS you ! For too long the prince of this w0rld
    has led many a child Of GOD astray in the name of
    license camouflaged as freedom.The heartening thing
    is that GOD HAS NOT FORSAKEN HIS sons and daughters,but sometimes HAS TO ALLOW for them to land into embarrassing situations to say the least,as a means to make them reconsider.
    Although Ms Prejean deserves our commendations for her courage in the presence of such vicious
    intolerance,we can only regret that her lifestyle has
    made her vulnerable to malignant comments from
    depraved people that don't bear mentioning or repeating here.The least we can say for Ms Prejean
    is that we are glad GOD HAS REMINDED her OF THE
    NAME BY WHICH she calls herself.
    
    posted by loc nguyen
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 8:03 am
58. Sister DeMoss, thank you for your elegant and graciuous comments on this situation. It is frustrating that so-called "Christian ministries" have thrust Carrie to the forefront and are using her without addressing the issue of modesty in her professional life. It's not just young women who are and will be affected by her testimony. As an older man I can tell you that young men in our country are adversely affected by her confusing and conflicting message. Carrie is a young woman who is growing in grace so we are praying that the Lord will use this to mature her and bring glory to Him.
    
    posted by John Myshrall
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 10:24 am
59. It is interesting what "taking a stand" means. For a straight person, "taking a stand" on gay marriage is easy because they don't have to change their behaviour. Anybody can stand up and wax eloquent on beliefs which don't affect their lifestyle. Although Carrie took the courageous move of talking about her beliefs, she offered no proof that she had bought into the other aspects of Christianity. The plastic breasts and topless photo shots suggest that she is more motivated by worldly success than spiritual success, whether or not it is actually true.
    
    I have a lot more respect for a Christian who takes a stand on Christian marriage by, for example, saying how they fled fornication because they believed in marriage, or describing how they forgave their spouse for a sin, or how they chose the difficult route of preserving a failing marriage over the difficult route of a divorce.
    
    Walking the talk always gets more respect than just talking. That is why politicians such as George HW Bush, John McCain and John Kerry (all of whom fought in US wars) are a lot more credible on issues relating to war than draft-dodgers such as George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Bill Clinton.
    
    posted by J Nonymous
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 11:19 am
60. Thank you for the courage to address the issue of Carrie Prejean's immodesty while vocally proclaiming to be a Christian. I'm very thankful that Carrie Prejean was bold enough to stand up for marriage being between one woman and one man in the face of adversity.
    However, I was more than a little shocked when those photos surfaced of her and she didn't seem to be that embarrassed by them. But I was also shocked that while many of the pro-family groups were praising her and coming to her aide, not one even mentioned (that I heard or read) the issue of the very revealing photos. Is this what we want our young girls and young women to think of Christianity!! Take a stand on one issue but it's okay to be seductive and parade and flaunt sexuality as long we profess our Christianity. I'm very afraid that this is where the majority of professing Christians are today.
    
    I realize we're living in a different culture; however, God's word has not changed and will not change. I personally witness the issue of immodesty on a daily basis from many of our church members and it isn't just from the teenagers but from their mothers! Where are the godly fathers - do they not notice how their wives and daughters are dressing? This causes me great concern.
    
    posted by J. Roden
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 4:58 pm
61. When I saw and heard the Carrie Prejean stuff on TV I was glad she had stood firm on the homosexuality issue. But I was somewhat shocked to see how she was exposing her body for all to see. I felt that it was definitely a double standard that she was keeping. My husband and I raised three girls and that was always a major concern that they remain modest women. They have remained so. I have been concerned about the way the young women in my own church dress and know that this is definitely not a good testimony to the "world" about them. The same goes to Carrie Prejean and what a mockery she is making of Christians - even unknowingly.
    
    posted by Fran Fender
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 5:55 pm
62. I have been really thinking about this and I too don't like the pics that we see over and over of her barely dressed and such. But I also think that if she had not been in that Pageant, who would have spoken and stood up for traditional marriage in that momemt? And what a platform too. It was so uplifting and encouraging to see a young person like her take a stand on something that is such a hot button topic these days. And she didn't back down, nor did she retaliate against the young man who called her such awful vile names. She has been attacked viciously and yet she has not backed down from what she said. That takes a lot of courage. And shows that people do still care and are holding to their beliefs and values. Especially a young girl like her. How easy it would have been to give a P.C. answer and possibly to have won the crown. I'm sure she new once she gave that answer that it could keep her from winning. And it looks as though it did. I just can't bring myself to really come down on her too hard but I do believe that there should be more discussion among the Christian community in regards to modesty and purity. The racy pics were a concern to me, but after hearing her side I could see how they happened. But again I come back to the point that I believe she was there for a purpose.
    
    And maybe part of that purpose is to get us thinking and praying and getting God's heart on the matter.
    
    posted by Annette
    on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 6:20 pm
63. Nancy you could not have had a better response and it was clearly in love. I thank the Lord for your ministry. Not condemning, just the "TRUTH". It makes me think about my own life and teachings as it should all of us. May the Lord continue to bless you and the ministry.
    
    posted by Jacqueline Pope
    on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 9:56 am
64. Your statement about older women mentoring the younger women is spot-on. However, my wife--who is 51, soon to be 52--would love to mentor a younger woman or two. The problem is that when my wife has tried that, more often than not, she has essentially been told to get lost--this from "Christian" young women. Fortunately, we are raising our daughter--who is 10--to live as Christ-like as possible. It's not the easiest thing in the world to do but we're looking forward to the results.
    
    posted by Randall Allen
    on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 10:10 am
65. Tx's Nancy. It's great to see someone in leadership, in the Christian community, articulate the bigger issu.
    
    posted by Harlan Reinders, WHEM (FM), Eau Claire,
    on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 10:49 am
66. I think Christians are too quick to applaud the slightest glimmer of truth spoken by the mainstream. There is so much darkness surrounding the world's idea of beauty and fame, that the small twinkle of truth from Prejean seemed bright. However, Christian womanhood is about so much more than saying the right things while living the lifestyle of the world.
    
    On the other hand, we must be careful to not over criticize Prejean. We must remember that we all are sinners- and though some of her sins may be more public, she is no worse than any of us.
    
    http://www.entrustedwith.com
    posted by Jenny
    on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 12:38 pm
67. Thank you for pointing this out. While so many Christians have hailed Carrie for her comments (and that's certainly something to be commended), we need to remember ourselves to seek to live out our own faith in Christ in words AND deed.
    
    http://ignoranthistorian.com
    posted by Ronnica
    on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 4:53 pm
68. It is so refreshing to read comments of other Christian women that truly believe what the Bible says is truth. I am so encouraged. There seems to be more women who are holding to a standard of Biblical modesty and virtue, than meets the eye, from reading this blog. However, I must say that I have to examine where I was as a young believer and most of the time it was straddling the fence. Had I had mentors such as I've encountered here, I may have submitted to the Lord 100% a lot sooner. I am not blaming anyone for my choices, but we need to all consider from whence we came and that we got wiser only as the Holy Spirit lead us from glory to glory, as HE is transforming our hearts and minds to be in alignment with Gods will and purposes for us. I hate unrighteousness, sin and all that goes along with it. Yet, I know that the mistakes made, even as a Christian, can be accounted to ignorance of God's Word, for surely when we point the way with God's Word to our brothers and sisters who are weaker in faith, they see the truth and hopefully will allow their hearts and minds to be transformed, which in turn will bring transformation to the outward appearance. I hope for Miss California and for every believer, young, or older that are battling with that ole flesh and the things of the world, that God will send them mentors who are bold in the faith to teach them how to know what their worldviews are suppose to be in regards to every area of their lives, including how to dress pleasing to the Lord. However, I must interject that God doesn't look at us how we look at ourselves, on the outward appearance, HE looks at our hearts. Let us look for the fruit evidence of a transformed heart and mind, if we see love, joy, kindness, goodness, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, meekness, etc., then we can know if someone has a life transforming relationship with the Lord. If we see the opposite, then we need to witness Jesus to them and lead them to making that life transforming decision. Help others to know how to do "what's the right thing to do" That comes from knowing the Word of God and all else will follow.
    
    posted by Victoria Serorian
    on Friday, May 22, 2009 at 6:36 am
69. Many excellent points. I was talking to my husband about this last week. Thank you Nancy for your thoughful blog.
    
    posted by Delisa Richardson
    on Friday, May 22, 2009 at 11:48 am
70. What "situation"? The woman was in a beauty pageant; they REQUIRE swimsuit competitions. Is this sinful now? How can you possibly make all these assumptions on her heart based on the fact that she followed the dress code in a pageant?
    
    posted by Jennifer
    on Friday, May 22, 2009 at 11:30 pm
71. If Carrie can do what she is doing for the glory of God, then she is exactly where she needs to be. It saddens me to think that if Carrie saw these comments on here by Christian women, it would be another slap in her face. Not only is she getting slammed by the liberal public, but by Christians as well.
    
    posted by Erika
    on Monday, May 25, 2009 at 8:09 pm
72. Amen! I basically gave the same comments to my daughter while watching this whole coverage unfold. Miss California just doesn't "get the deeper issue" staring us in the face. I don't think the conservative Christians should jump on her bandwagon.
    
    posted by Kimberly
    on Monday, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 pm
73. Allow me to inject a little testosterone to the discussion here (sorry ladies, but this issue does affect men too, and in ways which might be less obvious than you're thinking) Allow me speak into this as a Christian and as a media professional who in past years worked on a number of photo shoots with professional "models" - on the other side of the lens. With regard to the idea that a Christian woman can easily work as a swimsuit/lingerie model - Ladies, I can assure you that all is not well in River City. Without getting into gruesome detail, I can tell you this. At nearly every such photo shoot I worked, any sense of feminine modesty pretty much went out the door, (if it ever got IN the door! :-) Forget for a moment about the final product pictures you may see in the swimsuit catalogues - just imagine for a moment what is required to get those pictures!
    Now maybe they exist, but personally, I never worked a shoot that wasn't co-ed, so to speak. My point is simple, and is based on having worked on the other side of the camera in the world that Miss Prejean claims for her career, (professional swimsuit/lingerie model). What was required of the female talent at the photo shoots I used to work did not conform in any way to what I understand to be a Biblical sense of modesty. The point is simple - These photos don't magically come into being. They are not made by an army of android robots located on some other planet - they're created by real people - men and women, on both sides of the camera. Not all of them are Christians. So, what about Miss Prejean's witness to those folks?
    This may be too harsh, but I'm also sad for Miss Prejean's future husband. I don't think he will be glad to know that his wife's physical virtues have been openly paraded before the eyes of millions of men. (Of course that is supposing that her husband will be a Godly man.)
    Even more troubling will be the less obvious, but more profound truth which he will discover. As a model, she has and will continue to disrobe in the very presence of real live men, and then parade nude or nearly nude in front of crew after crew...why? Because "it's her job"? That does not sound like a young woman who has been protected by her earthly father. Nor does it sound like one who has thought much about preserving her feminine beauty for the proper setting, which should be her honeymoon. Of course, I could be way off on this, but thanks for considering a man's viewpoint, for what it's worth.
    
    posted by Bryan
    on Friday, May 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm
74. The one name that comes to mind immediately for me in reading Nancy's blog posting: Mary.
    
    Perhaps all of us Christians need to study more intently femininity as seen through the life and words of the Mother of God, Mary. Encouraging women and men to read the "Magnificat" (Luke 1:46-55) might be a good place to start.
    
    As a Catholic Christian, I pray that my one and only Savior, Jesus Christ, would lead each of us to discover and appreciate (not worship) Biblical models of modesty who are appropriate for our time.
    
    posted by Hugh
    on Friday, May 29, 2009 at 2:39 pm
75. Bryan, again, this brings up another issue: is nudity in art sinful? Were all the models for classic nude art "unprotected", "parading their virtues around"? If men can't see these things without messing themselves, they shouldn't be in the photography business. Your points are good and valid, but I'd ask you to consider the same about all artistic subjects in this genre.
    
    posted by Jennifer
    on Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 4:17 pm
76. Thankfully you are speaking out on this subject as a mother I was alarmed when in the media they other christian were applauding her comments but failing to state the obvious I would not want her to be a role model or mentor to any of my children especially my young daughter. I want to instill in my young sons the true beauty of a woman. Which is not external beauty but inner beauty. And that loving the Lord with all you heart is what is important. As well as others. I am concerned about what messages she would send to young people not only our girls but boys as well.
    
    posted by Penny
    on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 at 6:52 pm
77. Dear Nancy,
    
    Your comments are a blessing and truly needed to be said.
    
    I pray for you and your influence on ladies today seeking to truly honor the Lord in their lives in modesty and choices they make as to whether they can truly honor their Lord and Savior in the way they dress, conduct themselves, and their life work and social functions.
    
    God Help us all to examine our hearts and motives in all our doings daily.
    
    I encourage all those who may read this to pray for a hedge of protection for all of their children and grandchildren daily, that the Lord will protect them from all the evil influences in this world and also surrender ourselves to be Godly examples to our families and others whom we influence.
    
    I Corinthians 10:31 "...whatsoever ye do, do all to the Glory of God".
    
    Thank you Nancy, for your valient stand for holiness and truth.
    
    http://www.jane.wpatch.com/
    posted by Jane A Pierpont
    on Saturday, June 13, 2009 at 8:16 pm
78. Yes, how holy to attempt to examine OTHER people's hearts..
    
    posted by Jennifer
    on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 at 11:30 pm
79. Exactly Jennifer. What a shame. The majority of these women are easily manipulated by those who view female sexuality as a vice that must be controlled. This does not proceed from the Spirit of our Lord but it's Islamic in nature. Next they will be sharing patterns for how to make a nice, summery mother/daughter burkas!
    
    http://www.politicsdaily.com/media/limandriPrejean.pdf
    posted by Clarion Call
    on Saturday, June 20, 2009 at 12:28 pm
80. Right on, Clarion. The person who compared this woman and her pageant to the porn that snared her husband is especially offensive. If you think that tasteful bathign suits or even nudity compares to porn, you've got some serious issues.
    
    posted by Jennifer
    on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm
81. Nancy,
    
    You're a brave woman. Thanks for sharing the biblical truth in a spirit of love and humility.
    
    http://thinklings.org
    posted by Bird
    on Monday, September 7, 2009 at 2:24 pm