Unless you've been living under a rock, you already know that the Twilight sequel, New Moon, was released in theaters Friday. News organizations nationwide reported sell-out crowds at local theaters. Thousands of fans camped out for hours to stake out their seats for the heavily hyped movie premiere. Experts are reporting that New Moon is now the number-one advance ticket seller of all time. In other words, it's a mega-hit! It's more than a blip on the landscape of culture. It's more like a bombshell, and young women are among the series' biggest fans. Because I care so deeply about pointing young women toward God's truth, I couldn't let this movie premiere go unaddressed. I know it's controversial and I know, because I've blogged about Twilight in the past, that my stand on the series doesn't make me the world's most popular blogger. But I also know what's at stake. These aren't just books. New Moon isn't just another hit movie. We need to talk about it.
Proverbs 4:23 warns, "Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life."
What we allow into our hearts and minds will impact us. As I've researched New Moon and heard about it from countless young women in my sphere of influence, it's clear to me that this movie and the rest of the Twilight series are designed to pull at your heart strings.
People magazine released its "Sexiest Men Alive" issue last week. An entire section of the magazine was dedicated to "Vampires to die for." Twilight star Robert Pattinson topped the list. Stars from the hit vampire shows The Vampire Diaries and True Blood were also featured. All three series have this in common—they're centered around male characters who are dark, brooding, and dangerous.
Vampire Diaries star Ian Somerhalder offered this explanation for the phenomenon: "The mythology behind vampires has never really gone away. It was always there. Now you have this market for it because I think they're fun. They're powerful. They're sexy. They're dangerous. They're beautiful. Something draws you to them . . . The girls like the bad boy."
Vampire Diaries co-executive producer Julie Plec offered this spin: "You want to believe there is so much going on behind those eyes. You want to believe that they have epic amounts of knowledge and soul and spirituality and intelligence lurking behind those eyes. And in real men, you don't often get that. So in a vampire, just by definition, you are getting the bad boy with the brain."
Here's where my spiritual antenna starts to perk up. As young women everywhere choose between Team Edward and Team Jacob and as over 5 million viewers tune in weekly to the vampire shows I mentioned above (for comparison, that's equivalent to the population of Scotland), I can't help but wonder if this fascination with the dark, dangerous, bad boys featured in these series is fitting for girls and women who love Jesus.
First Corinthians 13:4–7 says this, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."
Galatians 5:22–23 says, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."
I've always seen these passages as a great barometer for choosing a fella. These are the qualities that I would advise Christian young women to look for in a man—patience, kindness, joy, peace, goodness, faithfulness, self-control. This is what we should be drawn to. We shouldn't link our lives with those who are envious, boastful, proud, rude, self-seeking, easily angered, concerned with keeping score. It isn't wise to form emotional attachments with a guy who delights in evil.
I've seen firsthand, in my own life and in the lives of so many young women, the train wreck that occurs when we're drawn to bad boys. I know the pain that can occur in real life when girls link their lives with guys who are dangerous, brooding, dark, and unpredictable.
That's why I can't help but see New Moon and the rest of the vampire craze for what it is—dangerous! It isn't wise to buy in to the fascination with these characters who are "sexy" because they are dark. Remember the warning in Proverbs, "Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life."
As New Moon rises to the applause of our culture, I have to ask, are you guarding your heart above all things?
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 9:48 am
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http://www.goodfight.org
Go to the cup of Joe blog to read about it.
In His Care,
Stand firm and do not be deceived.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the authorities, against the powers of this
dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil
in the heavenly realms.
--Ephesians 6:12
Love,
Michele Denman
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 11:03 am
Phillipians 4: 4-9
4Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 11:14 am
I notice a lot of times when entertainment transcends generations and evokes so much passion, it can be a tool of evil to steal our hearts and affections away from the Lord and His Word, which is pure and satisfying.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 11:34 am
I am 49 (I also spend hours in God's Word each week) w/ a 19 yo daughter who begged me to read Twilight & give her my opinion. She loves God, is outgoing, has lots of guy friends & has never even been kissed! She was really tired of all the criticism she was getting from her Christian teachers b/c she likes these books. (I have not seen the movies & probably won't). So I read all the books. There is nothing dark, evil, brooding or sinister about the vampires who are the heroes in this series. Edward, the hero vampire, is highly moral & refuses to sleep w/ Bella, or hardly touch her, until they are married. As one other post noted, they encourage modesty & Edward makes great personal sacrifices in order to try & protect Bella time & again. The only danger I see in these books/movies is that they could become the gateway for an interest in other more sinister vampire interests. Obviously, I am not in favor of vampire themes & I would not allow my younger daughter to read/watch any of these b/c of their mature romantic themes. But I had to agree w/ my older daughter that there is nothing immoral, dark, sinister, evil, etc, etc about the vampires as heroes in this book. Also, I would have to say that Edward is the epitome of the fruits of the spirit. I saw your list of what young women should be looking for in a young man & couldn't agree more. But I thought to myself, "She has not read the book." Edward exhibits the fruits of the spirit more than any human guy I know, which is why he is such a great hero to girls. Please read the book, then rewrite your review.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 12:52 pm
It has so disturbed my spirit as to the draw and to the obvious blindness of these professing Christians to see this evil as good and to fawn, lustfully, over men (whether they are good or bad in a movie).
When I have shared my concerns, I get those who will defend their ability to recognize good from bad. My point is, why waste your eyes, time, and money, on something that God would not attend to stand in line for hours and sit for more hours to watch?
I'm not surprised by unbelievers taken with it.
I am surprised and disturbed by believers who are so willing to see it several times after reading it and yet, so many are not willing to spend 15 minutes in prayer and study of the Word.
It makes me so sad.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 1:29 pm
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 2:00 pm
1. To examine my reasons/motives for choosing entertainment (1 Corinthians 4:5)
2. Examine how exposing myself to that entertainment makes me feel, what it makes me think about, and what emotions it evokes
3. If someone who is godly points me to truth, how defensive do I get...am I willing to really think about it and surrender...do I have a teachable spirit.
PS The fact that Christian women are defensive about a book about vampires and werewolves is laughable...that's like arguing over the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause...Don't we have better things to fix our minds on...Phil. 4:8...we are called to fix our thoughts on Jesus (Hebrews 3:1), to fix our eyes on Jesus (Hebrews 12:2).
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 2:23 pm
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 2:39 pm
For a long time used to forget to guard my heart... That's why I decided to share my opinion.
I read all the comments and I didn't expect to read these different opinions the Christian women shared. That makes me sad, very sad, because I feel there are women who are ready so easily to make compromises with the Word of God and what God gives us as principles of living and building relationships.
I never read the books, I never seen the movies, and I won't. I do not critisize the women who read or watched them, but I'm very surprised that though watching them, they are ready to accept them just because they saw some moral principles, expressed in the main characters. (Being moral doesn't mean being a new born Christian!)
Vampires, werewolves... these are all images connected with ancient pagan religions; they are images of something spiritual, bad and demonic, and though "young, moral, romantic", etc characters... they are still characters that we cannot tolerate.
We have to ask ourselves is this healty for us as women, is it healthy for our young daughter/s, for all the young girls at our churches to read about romances like these, or to encourage them to dream or fantasize about being romantic with men like those shown in the books/movies, etc (because this is what we do when we allow them to read things like that!)... I'm sure that if you have been in the prison of romance -and- fantasy-thoughts in which for long I've been, you'll not even think of encouraging elderly women to read/watch these things, much less a teenager! Characters are characters, they are not real... I know that, I've studied Literature... but under the surface there are many, many things which we must see as bad and stop tolerate, because in every literature/movie character there is something real.
Anyway, I don't want to judge, after all I sin, too. We make our choises. And one last thought: I watched, read and heard too much, so I really don't need, and don't feel that I have to read the book or watch the movie before I talk (as some of you suggested). In order to stand upon my Christian position (not only for this matter, but in every area of my life) I don't need to read or watch all the garbage people write or make, right? I need to know the Truth and what God says about the matter. And I know that He wants to guard my heart. In this case, talking about Twilight, I'll guard my heart by not filling it with images that God never created and relationships He never tolerated.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Although the romance is clean, as you say, it is probably too strong for young teens. I would recommend it only for teens 18 and older.
As Gayle says, please do read before you judge!
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 3:38 pm
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Thank you for this post. Amen! Praise the Lord for your courage to speak truth.
Anything associated with the occult or the demonic ought to be avoided by Christians (Deut. 18, Ac. 19:18-20, for a few examples). We are children of light! Not of the darkness! (Col. 1:13) Sometimes knowledge of such things may be needed in order to help others. I have not seen or read the series mentioned above, and will not do so, for the reasons Erin mentioned. We must guard our minds and hearts! We must not give the enemy strongholds and doorways into our lives! We must teach our children to love the good, and flee from the evil! (Though I would have no problem discussing the general content of these books/movies with my children, so they can be aware when amongst neighborhood children, etc. -- even Harry Potter is found, sadly, in some Christian homes.)
Dear sisters in Christ (who object to Erin's post), please consider getting some good Bible teaching about the occult. The Bible (and good teaching from qualified ministry) will help us to discern between good and evil.
I agree with the concerns about the romance also, but as a Christian, I only needed to see the word "vampire" to know it was something neither I nor my family would be involved in.
In His love,
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 4:32 pm
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Blessings,
~Miss Raquel
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:11 pm
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:18 pm
There are a lot of people who are into the CSI shows that show extreme gore glorified and then the shows blend in inappropriate relationships. Some of the comedies out there like The Office are very offensive as well. The inuendos and outright disrespect of women is something I'm surprised is found as amusing to those in ALL walks of life including us Christians.
I think along the way we adults have dropped the ball in our example to the young. We question their Christianity in everything they do, yet prove ourselves to be unworthy of the Walk by renting movies, buying movie tickets and watching shows, etc. that do anything but encourage them in their walk. Then when something catches our eye like Twilight we think that sums up who they are as Believers in a nutshell. When we adults started acting like the world is probably about the same time our children and young adults did the same.
I'm not sure if anyone is aware, but a lot of moms (including the wives of ministers) are into the Twilight Books. I think if we weigh the movie like we do others that we allow our children to watch it might be that with Twilight we'd find way less foul language, way less blood and guts, and way less of most everything that Hollywood is noted for dishing out to us. Not defending the books or movies I just think we should be careful of everything we allow. We give so much power to one theme over another as if one theme is way worse than another. Maybe it is.
I honestly can't think of more than a dozen things I've seen on TV, etc. that would stand the proper testing. Let's make sure we're not sending a mixed message to our children as the world does.
If I had my way I'd get ride of movie theaters, TV, texting, movie rental stores,the internet, most if not ALL books, excluding the Bible. That would ensure perhaps that our children wouldn't stray. I live in a dream world, huh?
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm
http://alifeinpages.blogspot.com/2009/11/twilight-apologetic.html
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:38 pm
That doesn't sound like a dream world to me; it sounds like Afghanistan under the Taliban. And we all know how well Prohibition turned out. Praise God that Christ has set me free! I have the liberty to use discernment and follow my own conscience and faith, not be bound and shackled by anyone else's. Legalism is every bit as dangerous to faith as libertinism.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:49 pm
That People Magazine mentions that one of the main characters is one of the sexiest men alive isn't the fault of the main character.
It could be that the writer of the series has recreated vampires and made them not the classic image of what we all grew up learning about.
I would never defend that the occult or anything of the sort is ok for girls or boys to be into, but when I read the review for the first movie Twilight I was surprised at how well it stood up against The Dark Knight, The Pirates of the Carribeans and just about everything else out there. I think there was one cuss word in the movie. Can't even hardly say that about the commercials we endure.
My point is that I agree that vampires aren't good, but the "girl falls in love with the bad guy" theme didn't just happen in our day and time. That tends to be the theme in most movies from many decades before us. Either the girls falls in love with the bad guy or she falls in love with a decent guy and then they end up in a fornicating relationship.
In real life we need to teach our girls how to behave like young ladies and our boys need to be taught to cherish all women. If that's what I wanted out of a movie then perhaps this series isn't so bad afterall.
All of what I've written is, of course, keeping in mind that most movies don't always teach the Gospel so I think they all fall short in one way or another.
Thanks! :)
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:50 pm
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:52 pm
My point wasn't to live like those in the Taliban, but to nicely (I had hoped) to say that if we could all chose a perfect world we'd have to get rid of ALL those things since they too are gateways to all sorts of evil. AND, to contribute that it's probable all those who have criticized Twilight have probably allowed other things into their homes that could lead their daughters to look for those "bad" guys. When we pick and choose it's confusing to our children. BUT, we are all imperfect parents. We need Jesus!
No, I don't approve of Taliban methods. Gee!
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I repeat, God help us!
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I do wonder though if we're more concerned with something that's easy to pick out---like vampires, but are less concerned with the fact that the Gospel of Christ is being watered down while we sit quietly by.
It's easy to pick out a vampire as being bad, but what about what's showing on our TVs at the moment? What messages are we sending to our children when we continue to expose them to everything under the sun?
We'll be are in the world. All these things exist.
We should teach our children to be prepared for battle in all areas. I don't think we should obsess over one thing and neglect the others.
:)
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I don't like the bad stuff either. How does anyone who posted here say "shame" when it's highly likely that you all pay money for cable or pay for the internet where a whole lot more inappropriate action takes place.
I don't think we can rid ourselves of the world. If anyone figures out a way that you've perfected your Walk please let me know. I'm getting tired.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:36 pm
i found it very interesting to see the amount of people that are saying "they are good vampires...they fight evil...they don't even drink blood of humans...Edward won't sleep with Bella until they are married"....um, we are talking about *fictional vampires* here. i don't care what people choose to read--we live in a free country. the fact that there are people that are taking brain time to think up arguments about this obsession is what bothers me!!
please, sisters in Christ: LOVE GOD more than entertainment!! He will WOW you more than some pseudo-innocent vampire love story!!! take some time to DWELL on the one who created YOU!!!
i say all that with a humble & sincere heart. i have spent more time than most on gossip sites & people.com wasting TIME trying to fill a void that only HE can fill.
today is a constant battle of choosing to love God, make choices that glorify him & do my best to follow the first commandment. i'll fall down, i am sure of that...but God's love & grace is better than LIFE!
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:39 pm
vampire
VAMP'IRE, n.
1. In mythology, an imaginary DEMON, which was fabled to suck the blood of persons during the night.
Scripture states:
1 Corinthians 10:20-21 (NIV)
...the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.
This is enough to convince me to have nothing to do with either the books or the movies.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I think you all know what I mean though. I've spent years and years aching over stuff like the vampires, the witchcraft in Disney. When I finally let my daughter see Twilight because it didn't have all the smut that most Hollywood movies have I start reading stuff that heaps on the guilt. I've gotten tired over the years and seems like I'm a pitiful mom afterall.
I know you all understand and have moments like I'm having right now. I hope you understand. I need encouragement at the moment.
Thanks ladies. My apologies again.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I have grown desperately TIRED to do. right by my children and have found that I fail over and over again.
I can't tell you how tired I am of all the talk about how horrible of a Christian I must be if I even look at Twilight....especially when my whole life has been looking under every rock and behind every corner.
It's quite tiresome to have been sent this article from a friend.
Although I do not offer an criticism toward the write of the Twilight article. I think she loves the LORD and is expressing this love by writing.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I'm working late at the office, and saw your post come through a couple minutes ago. I'm praying that you will be encouraged tonight, and will not believe the lies of the enemy that you are a pitiful mom. I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a parent! Even as you seek to parent your daughter, remember that you have a heavenly Father who is loving and guiding you as His precious, adopted girl. Run to Him with your weariness. Cry out to Him for His wisdom and strength.
You are loved,
paula
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I find it funny that the same people that make an issue of these books/movies, have no problem with letting their kids read/watch things like Snow White and other fairy tales that contain equally, if not more dark themes. The same hold true for Harry Potter books. Any fairy tale contains elements of darkness, sorcery, mythical creatures, and murderous elements. Why do we as Christians feel the need to single out certain things, while not having a problem with others? Some of the most Pharasical people I have ever known, that appeared to live very strict lives, had very dark secrets hidden in their closets.
When are we as Christians going to stop being so legalistic and judgemental of what other brothers and sisters do?
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 7:13 pm
And yes, many of the secular as well as Christian romance novels and "clean" romantic comedy movies are also full of emotional pornography. This can be as dangerous to a woman's heart (especially an impressionable young woman who is forming her ideas about love and marriage and men) as visual pornography can be to a man.
Guarding our hearts may mean saying no to what is entertaining to keep them pure to say yes to God's best for us.
Mother of seven delightful daughters...
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Thank you so much for your words of encouragement.
I need them.
If you want you can read my other post below.
Thank you again for your words.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I have two wonderful young ladies for daughters as well a a son. I've spent a huge percentage of my life as a mother keeping them away from Snow White, evolution and yes even the occasional Barney as they've grown up. All the while, their father and I were keeping them away from the bad stuff we've taught them that the good is much better. We haven't compromised in any area where witchcraft, etc. have come in.
When the movie Twilight came out my daughter wanted to see it. My husband and I did what good parents are suppose to do. We weren't sure of the vampire theme, but decided since our daughter was older that we would rate the movie as we would with any other movie. We judged it based on sexual content, foul language, influence of vulgar behavior and blood and gore. The movie passed all. I then decided to go to the movie and watch it with my daughter so I'd see what she was seeing. There were parts in the movie that weren't perfect, but I wasn't expecting perfection since I'd read the review from a Christian site.
As far as the vampire theme....well that is troubling, but I don't know how to answer to that. I don't make excuses other than to say Gee Whiz...have you looked at what else the children are watching. No excuses for that either. My children don't watch a lot of what's out there from Hollywood.
I write all this to say of how tiresome it is for me to have a dear friend condemn me for even thinking about Twilight, but her children went to see The Dark Knight with their youth group and some of their family favorites are movies that contain the use of God's name in vain. Then a year after my daughter and I saw Twilight together my dear friend brought up again that vampires drink blood. She confused me with her stand because I know her church was throwing a "Halleluah Harvest" on Halloween Day....that's the day we all celebrate Halloween. That's the day that witches, monsters and yes even vampires are celebrated. The day we celebrate in the exact same manner that the world does, but we call it something else.
I don't mean to be defensive toward anyone who has posted comments, but I can tell you how very, very tired I am that I look everywhere for encouragement as a wife and mother. I look for encouragement that tells me...yeah, it's hard, you're doing good, keep up the good work....I'm praying for ya. Instead even some of my best friends have set such high standards for my children that when they seem to slip up a bit and not appear to be headed for the nunnery or if they appear to be imperfect humans I get comments or emails reminding me that I'm either not raising my children right or that I obviously think I have perfect children. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Maybe I need to redirect my paths.
I could write more, but I won't except to say that that's why I appreciate soooo very much PAULA and MEREDITH's words.
I've put off way too much on you ladies. No one on here has offended me personally in the least. You all are great with your comments. Everyone's that I read has given me food for thought.
I just needed a place to express a corner of my heart (okay a big corner) and thought maybe you all would/could understand.
Am I the only tired mother? Does anyone else need rest from the worry that they're going to ruin their child for not sending them to the nunnery? That after all the Bible memorization, church going, love, "I'm sorry mom was so mean" apologies, "be careful of the boys" conversations THAT maybe it's all not good enough. That one mess up and they're ruined?
Am I the only one? Am I the only hormonal mother posting? (ha ha)
I'm done. I'm sorry ladies for going on and on.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 8:57 pm
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on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 9:11 pm
It seems I certainly have opened a can of worms here, huh? Amid a flurry of comments calling me everything from Pharisaical, to judgmental to clueless, yours is the only comment I feel compelled to respond to.
Why? Because I'm a momma too. I certainly know how difficult it is to make wise choices concerning our children and I know very well the second guessing that we mommas can do as we try to be godly parents. Please rest assured that I offer no condemnation to any parent who takes a different stand on this issue than I do. I trust that you have sought God through prayer and His Word. Don't let this post put you into bondage.
Let me just encourage you to see the larger point. Guarding our hearts takes work. Guarding our children's hearts can feel impossible, especially since we live in the fallen world that you mentioned. But we must stay at the task. God is able to give us the tools that we need to raise our children in a way that honors him.
Sweet sister, I am praying for you this evening. I am praying that you would feel no condemnation. I thank God that He has entrusted you with beautiful children. And I am thankful that you are seeking to raise them in a way that is God honoring. Chin up, girl! I am sure you're doing great!
Erin Davis
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 10:17 pm
This weekend I allowed my almost 13 year old to go see New Moon with her friends. Up until this point I have not allowed her to read the books. She did see Twilight with her friends at a sleepover a while back.
Here is what I have found: we talked about topics that we have not yet had to talk about and that I am seeing now are so much better to talk about BEFORE they are real in her life or her friends' life. Through this story we were able to talk about being attracted to the 'bad boy' and about obsession (whether girl to guy or guy to girl). These are topics that I had not yet talked about with my girl who is not yet dating. We were able to talk about these things that could be ever so harmful before she was drowning in them.
When she looked at me with those innocent child eyes and asked 'people really are like that?' I knew I had done the right thing. I wish someone had talked to me about this stuff before I started to date. I am thankful that we were able to start this conversation this weekend.
on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Jesus said, "Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!" (Matt.18:7). We are told in Colossians 3 to seek those things which are above, where Christ is seated on the right hand of God. To set our affections on things above, not things of the earth.
Do we live in a sin sick, fallen world? Yes.
Did Jesus pray to our Father to take us out of the world? No. But He did pray to keep us from the evil. (John 17:15)
Do you see all of this bantering as needless arguing, like the disciples arguing who would sit at Christ's right hand in glory? If Christ apppeared to all of us right now would we argue with Him about our right to read or watch something to fill a void which we apparently still have because we do not have our minds focused on the things above and we don't fully know Him? Because I tell you a truth if we knew Him the way He desires us to know Him, we would not be able to stop talking about Him. And we would certainly be too occupied with doing the Father's business to have needless arguements. I don't want anyone to think I'm some snob that thinks she has arrived and knows Christ fully, because I don't. I struggle like so many of us with being distracted with the things of this world. But what I can tell you is I LONG to know Him more fully and to stay focused on Him and the things above. And as this longing grows the more I want to "study to show myself approved of God, a workman who needs not be ashamed." Also, in case many of you believe that you have to read or see everything out there, in order to be able to debate or defend your faith, that is not true. Have you heard of the way people learn how to recognize counterfeit money? They study the genuine. They become so acquainted with the real thing that when the false passes their way they recognize it immediately. This is my prayer for all of us. That we would become so acquainted with our Lord Christ Jesus and His Word that we would spot those that deceive and try to subtly woo us away through emotionalism of literature, movies, music,etc. and that we would turn from them.
Lastly I draw your attention to Acts 19:18-19...In these verses there were those in Ephesus who came to believe in Christ, who came and publicly confessed their evil practices and many of those who engaged in occult practices BURNED their books! They didn't keep them for a little read down the road somewhere along the line.
Ladies let us encourage one another to "contend earnestly for the faith", to run this race with patience and to be aware of the enemy and our own hearts. Are we working out our savation with fear and trembling? None of us knows if we have tomorrow. If we were called before the Lord tonight would we be ashamed of what we had been preoccupied or obsessed with. No obsession is good because it is a form of idolatry. May God have mercy on us all and thanks be to God for His Son Jesus Christ.
With love and hope for all of us in Christ,
Bernadette
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 12:44 am
I seriously struggle with the idea of Christians defending the concept of a moral vampire... what a way to open the door to making occultism seem a little more acceptable - more "romantic", more palatable. Satan must be laughing at us poor humans.
And yes, I must live in a hole, because until this week, I had not heard anything about this series at all, but then, we do not have cable, we watch very, very little television anyway and are very cautious about what comes into our home. Most common folk - all of us here, I am sure, used to only have the Bible and perhaps, Pilgrim's Progress (you should read THAT sometime), thus a whole lot less garbage came into their homes. And, because they had to actually WORK to survive (ie grow ALL their own food in a large percentage of cases), they had a whole lot less time on their hands to even bother with some of the foolish things we Christians do now. Maybe, in that regard, they actually had it easier than we do now...
I am reminded of the little song we used to sing in Sunday School:
Oh, be careful little eyes what you see.
Oh, be careful little ears what you hear.
The Father up above is looking down in love, Oh be careful little eyes what you see (little ears what you hear).
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 2:22 am
When I was a young woman, I was drawn to the Godfather movies. For some reason I liked the aspect of the 'power' the men had. There was also a definite sense of belonging. Do you all think the attraction to vampires could be the same?
That being said, I will also say 'foolishness is bound up in the heart of child' and I was mighty foolish, and the grace of God spared me from much heartache.
I question my wisdom in allowing my young daughter to watch movies that deal with magic, like in the Disney movies. Is this leading her heart astray?
Like I said earlier, it is good that we are thinking about these things, and I know I will be praying for more wisdom, direction, and an open heart to OBEY what the Lord impresses upon me.
For His glory ~
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 2:47 am
Though I'm less than no one on this planet, I'm also a Christian mother. I wanted to ask you why you talk with people who cut you down about how you live? I believe that God wants us to chose our friends carefully and if we prayerfully ask, he will give us these friends. If a Christian woman is concerned about you, it's just my humble opinion, that they will come lovingly, and gently help you (through His word) come to light on any issues you happen to share with her. A christian friend lifts up, and doesn't cut down.
If you've the strength through Christ to nurture these 'thorns' you have as friends, I think that's the best advice I have for you meaning: If someone you have for a pal is hitting you when you've done something wrong, pray, search the scriptures and love them by perhaps showing them through scriptures how the word shows us to help uplift our bretheren when they are going astray. And maybe even let them know how thier approach pains you since you seem to have a gentle heart.
I know when I go astray, the girls (women) God has so lovingly put into my life, they do, they come so gently and sometimes tearfully to help me back on the path. And not tearfully because I'm such a miserable sinner (though I am), but tearfully because they care so much not to damage but to uplift. They take pains to come to me with meekness and love.
I'll pray the Lord sends some, if not just one of these Godly women into your life. I've only got two, but believe me, that's two more than I'll ever deserve.
As for Twillight, I'm with the lady who said something like: "I'll stick to my bible and very few, if any other books". That's where I'm trying to be because the idol 'entertainment' of this world does suck me in hard and fast. It's places like this, filled up with Godly women trying so hard to hold fast to his word... that's where I feel my best when I take any spare time outside of God time or family time.
Sorry I took up so much space. I also appolgize if my grammar or spelling offend. Peace, love n' blessings all.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 3:31 am
So many people have judged the Twilight books and the Harry Potter books, without even taking the time to read them. Harry Potter and Twilight are both based on LOVE! Good presides over evil in BOTH series. Obviously everyone in their right mind, knows that the Twilight Saga is just a creation of Stephenie Meyer's imagination. She had a dream and her dreamed turned into possibly the most amazing love story ever written.
Please tell me how protecting the one you love, makes you a bad boy? Explain to me how saving the life of the one you love, makes you a bad boy? The only thing "bad boy" about Edward Cullen is his smoldering eyes!
Christians have been given a bad rap by people, exactly like you. Small minded, judgmental, and hypocritical. I may not have brought God into this reply, but I am defending something near and dear to my heart. The Twilight books got me through a nasty, bitter divorce...they gave me hope - that no matter the differences between people, that 2 people can still fall in love, and make it last.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 7:41 am
Thank you for taking the time to write. I like that you wrote to not let the post put me in bondage....
I had a long heartfelt response written for you that I know you would have understood. I even when back in time for a moment to share something from childhood. I really think you would have said, "Genna. It's ok. Jesus is still LORD."
After I read over what I had written I was embarrassed that it came across as giving one movie SO much thought so I deleted my response to start over. Oh, I know I need to give lots of things lots of thought, but this response was starting to come across as if I needed medication. :)
I suppose if I could sum up my feelings I would say that I need to talk to the LORD about some things. Even though the comments on here were from different points of view I actually agree with everyone to some degree. What I need as a mother is some grace and mercy from God. This Twilight conversation has made me realize ONCE AGAIN that I don't have it all together and not because of the theme--not entirely anyway. I don't expect to have it all together on this side of Heaven, but I sure would like to give it my best shot.
I guess after all the years of striving and trying to do right by my children I have times when I'm weary that I'm not a perfect parent. And, it bothers me a bit for some strange reason than no one on here knows me enough to be expected to know my heart in this whole matter (as if this should be the place to reveal all) I could have these conversations from all points of view all by myself.
Wow, I'd like to write so much more. I feel I'm lacking something to leave it at this. I have so much to share from my mothering heart, but how does one go about sharing that much when we all need to get on with our day? :)
LADIES,
Even though I don't know any of you I do have a certain kind of love in my heart for you. Let's all hang in there together in the sisterhood of being Moms. We all mean well don't we? We try. I need to be more careful, more loving, more gracious, more forgiving, more trusting with the LORD, and my speech needs to be sprinkled more with kindness starting first in my own Home.
Guess I better get on with life. Hope this made the slightest bit of sense.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 8:03 am
Thank you for your response. And thank you for the point blank question as to why I talk to people who cut me down? I don't know why I allow such thorns to be friends. My heart aches at times.
It's hard huh? I'm glad you have your good friends. I bet you're a good friend right back to them. Let's see if you have the two great friends then that makes three of you. So that makes your friendships a braid. A braid is hard to break.
I got up really early this morning so I hope this didn't sound strange. Thank you again!
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 8:11 am
I just wanted to write one more time and thank you for the things you pointed out, both in your original post, and in your comment to Genna. As one who made mistakes with my older children, and am now seeking to raise the younger ones to be godly, by His grace, I can see the importance of some of the "larger issues" -- "heart issues" -- that you are raising. While it is good to be vigilant about the occult (and I was with my older children too), I know I need to be sensitive to "heart" issues ... guarding my own heart, being an example to my children in how to guard their hearts. I appreciated your comments about encouraging young ladies to look for a man/husband with the fruit of the Spirit in his life. What good advice that is! And to be aware of the world's pull on their heart strings. Thank you, Erin; this post has given me pause for reflection. Sometimes I can be aware of avoiding evil -- not a bad place to start -- but I know that to love Christ with my whole heart and pass that love on to the next generation is my greater need!
In His love,
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 8:12 am
I just read your post. In one way, I'm surprised that your teen readers have refrained from name calling, etc. with each other since teens tend to express themselves more freely. On the other hand I shouldn't be so surprised. I've often said that my children are better people than I am (bad grammar as that is to put it that way).
I think from last night to this morning I'd have to say that I'm glad I got to read the article and comments.
I've learned a lot more than I can put into words...things that go beyond the subject of these posts. Well, I say "I've learned". Perhaps I should say, "I'm learning".
Thank you again for your words of encouragement in your earlier comments. I'm glad you understand. I like that you wrote, "Chin up, girl!"
Thanks again to you too PAULA. Your words meant a lot.
You all have a grand and blessed day!~
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 9:22 am
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 9:43 am
Good morning ladies. I originally wrote this post for teenagers on www.liesyoungwomenbelieve.com. Paula had the idea to also post it on this site knowing that many moms of young women would read it. It seems like we certainly struck a nerve.
The very fact that this post created such a strong reaction confirms to me that there is something going on here. I doubt that Christian women would react so strongly if these were "just books" and New Moon was " just a movie."
This same post went up on www.liesyoungwomenbelieve.com yesterday. There was great conversation on that site as well, but there was no name calling, anger, or accusations of cluelessness. Perhaps that's because I've written about the series on that site before. Those girls know I've done my homework, and they know my heart.
Whatever choice you make about "Twilight" for yourself or for your family is certainly up to you. I simply want to sound the alarm that this is something that as mommas and mentors to young women we should pay close attention to.
Erin
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 9:59 am
When I saw the headline for this blog I knew there would be controversy, unfortunately. I faced some of what you are facing (although more graciously) when dealing with Harry Potter and why our family has nothing to do with it. I am thankful for you and the Holy Spirit inside of you, for being strong and speaking the truth regardless of what other people might think or say of you. I found no judgment of others in your entry, just a desire to put up a warning flag, which I know I need from time to time in such a desensitized generation. God bless you and continue to grant you strength and boldness!
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 10:13 am
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 10:38 am
I hesitated to write of something that has been heavy on my heart, but I sense the Spirit of God compelling me to do just that. Over the last several weeks I have noticed a growing interest, and in some instances, an obsession, with a book/movie titled Twilight. Actually, there are a series of books, but so far only one movie, by author Stephenie Meyer. I have attempted to do some research online, but my time lately has been limited. I considered reading the book so that I might gain some insight into the attraction that has a hold on teen girls and young women, and much to my astonishment, even older women. I wanted to be able to discuss it intelligently if the opportunity presented itself. But each time I planned to go to the library to look for the book, there was a hesitancy on my part. As I contemplated the reason for this, I came to realize that not only did I not NEED to read the book, but I also felt strongly that I SHOULD NOT read it. This was a place that I did not need to go. My husband and I, as well as our children, are in an intense spiritual battle as we walk the path marked out for us – a journey of physical suffering accompanied by emotional pain. I would gain nothing at this point in time from reading the book. In fact, it is critical that I guard my heart and mind as I am vulnerable to the evil one's attacks. I must fill my mind with TRUTH and nourish my soul with the Word of God. This is the battle strategy that Jesus calls for – to put on the full armor of God.
With that said, I am going to attempt, to the best of my ability, to explain the reasons for my concern about this book. My experiences as a missionary combined with my past history, I believe, have given me the ability to see clearly the spiritual dynamic involved. I don't want to debate whether fantasy is good or bad. Fantasy is not necessarily the issue. The evil content of the book is the issue – specifically vampires. Some of you are probably rolling your eyes, thinking “I don't believe in that stuff. It's just innocent fun.” Okay, you are entitled to your opinion.
Here's the opinion of Plugged In (online book review) - “Fans of the books clearly weren't there to just see a movie. They were there to experience the thrill of 'meeting' their favorite characters in all their huge, big-screen glory. This says a lot about how much impact Meyer's story is having. Readers—and now moviegoers—are soaking in everything she's written, taking it to heart and wearing it, quite literally, on their sleeves. One Twilight T-shirt being sold (and which I saw at the movie) proclaims, 'Forbidden Fruit Tastes the Best.' And that's certainly one of the film's underlying themes. This isn't about me beating up Twilight for being about vampires, though. There are positives in it that bear repeating: The Cullens refuse to be party to murder even when it's their 'nature' to kill and feed off humans. Edward consistently controls his own blood lust around his classmates and especially around Bella. He cares for her. He protects her. Bella offers up her life for her mom. But there's enough negative undercurrent even in this first outing (the books get darker as they progress, so presumably the movies will follow).” Even this Christian critic does not think vampires are the issue. The person who watched the movie gleans some positive values. That's good. And the romance and love are, well, exciting. I can't argue with all that. But that's where the subtlety lies. That's where we get sucked in. That's exactly what Satan wants. He is described as the “angel of light”. He majors in making things look good (mix in some positive values with the forbidden fruit) so he can trap us. He doesn't always overwhelm us with evil – he's too smart for that. Christians would not stand for blatant depravity thrown in our faces. But toss in just a little here and there. What's the harm? Dabble a bit in astrology or psychics or crystals. We attempt to convince ourselves that we don't really believe in that stuff – it's just amusing or entertaining. I thought it was quite interesting to note that the story that developed into the book Twilight originated through a dream that the author had. The devil plants a few seeds in our minds, gets us right where he wants us, and then he gives us a little more until our culture slowly gets immune and evil doesn't seem so bad anymore. I am deeply troubled by this deception that has surprisingly even penetrated the church. It is alarming that believers in Jesus Christ are not aware of this. I wonder if they even believe in Satan, instead choosing to put him in league with the characters of fiction. We are treading on dangerous ground. To be honest, I've even been convicted myself lately when reading some fairy tales to my grandchildren – books about witches and wizards and magicians. It has made me uncomfortable in my spirit. I shrugged it off, rationalizing that it is just make-believe. But I can no longer ignore the stirring in my soul. I plan to do something about it. I'm removing all those books from my house.
Maybe you're thinking that I'm taking this too far, that I'm being fanatical. Again, you are entitled to your opinion. But don't take my word for it. Measure all this up against the Word of God. See what He has to say about the compromises we make. “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is – His good, pleasing and perfect will” (Romans 12: 2). “For Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14). “Do not give the devil a foothold” (Ephesians 4:27). “Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm” (Ephesians 6:11-12). “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable – if anything is excellent or praiseworthy – think about such things” (Philippians 4:8). “Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (James 4:8). “Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith . . .” (1 Peter 5:8-9).
I have no control over what you do with this letter. You can ignore it and throw it away. Or you can tuck it away in your Bible for future reference. Or you can sense a stirring in your own soul to examine your heart and consider what God might be saying to you. I have a box of prayer cards (Praying God's Word) written by Beth Moore covering many different topics. The following is a compilation of prayers against deception. Regardless of what you choose to do with the letter, please know that I am praying this prayer for you – and for me – for all of us. “Father God, You have adamantly warned Your children not to be deceived. Are we presently being deceived in any way? If we are, please reveal it to us and give us the courage to cease cooperating with deceptive schemes. Our All Powerful God, enable us to stand firm with the belt of truth buckled around our waists and with the breastplate of righteousness in place. Help us to understand that without the girding of truth, we are defenseless against the devil. Truth is our main defense against the father of lies. Oh God, please help us not to eat the fruit of deception. Cause us to recognize the rottenness of this 'fruit', refusing to partake. Father God, like the children of Israel in the Prophet Jeremiah's day, we live in the midst of deception; in their deceit many people refuse to acknowledge You. Father, please help us not to be taken captive by the deception that surrounds us in this society. Help us to be discerning of messengers with false visions and deceptive divinations. As the time of Your return approaches, there will be increasing deception and literally twisted doctrines taught by angels of darkness. Please develop a higher level of discernment in us, Jesus. Help us to know truth well so that we will quickly recognize the finest crafted lie.”
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 10:51 am
As far as judging. We are to judge all things for ourselves because we will give an account to God. Praise the Lord for mom's who take this seriously when making decisions for their children. The "judge not that ye be not judge" verse that is so often quoted is a word that denotes judging one's motivation and character to the point of condemning them as hopeless. I don't think anyone has done that on this sight. I think the goal is to give us cause to search our own heart before the Lord. Have I looked at "Passion of the Christ", Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, with the same scrutiny that I turn to "Twilight"? If not then perhaps I should get the mote out of my own eye before I get that Twilight beam out of someone elses.... Lest my children have some ground from which to scream "hypocrite".
In the end I think our children need to know that we are serious about OUR faith. Our passion and love for the Lord should pervade all of life even the "fiction" we choose to view or read. If we can
pass on that passion they will be equipped to discern God's will for the life for which they will give account. Their own. If my kids are more accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ than me THAT is a great thing! If they have trusted Christ then the Holy Spirit will convict them and I pray that they will respond. My goal is for them to have a mom who is honest about her own struggles and who they see doing her best to obey the Lord Jesus
and His Word.
Geena, if you read this ... could you post your blog web address again. In one post you alluded to it but I didn't see it connected to any of your post.
Thanks.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 11:06 am
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 11:17 am
My heart always aches when I hear of christian women behaving this way. It's even a little in this very blog (finger pointing instead of loving approaches) hopefully it's completely unitentional (as I've heart Nancy say though "We need to be intentional"). There isn't much I've learned in life but I think it's pretty clear Christ was meek and loving and we need to be more like him as we walk. As hard as that comes, it's our only reason for living; to be more like him, to get to know him and to share him in any and every way possible with others. If friends are poison, how do we neutralize this without walking completely away from them? I'm not completely sure, except that if they are christians God calls us to gently direct them into the word (this is a huge hurtle if they are older and more knowledgeable than us). Most if not all times when I write to my 'older women' I feel silly and think; 'what at all could I offer her?' BUT offering her the word and a meek and loving heart... I think I'm able at that (with a bit of fearfulness at a potential reproach). However I expect their reproach to be Godly so I am mostly glad if/when it happens.
Your comment about a braid was sweet. I'm glad you took a moment to say you heard me, I hope you have a good friend and if not I hope (with my heart and love of God) you start seeking out one. They are two of my weapons in my walk, tools in my toolbox that help me fix my walk, they are. I feel God leads their loving of me and that's what every sister needs... a loving christian woman to hold them up in the daily battle (each of us has that goin' on). Let each of us (all of us) strive to be this: helpers, not hurters. Purposeful and purposed for Christ.
Peace love n' blessings all.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Erin, your post says it all. Years ago, the founder of the revival ministry, Del Fehsenfeld Jr., urged our young team members to stay as far away from the edge of the cultural cliff as possible. He said it out of love, not trying to spoil our fun. I've always thought that toying with the things of "darkness" cannot be a wise choice, because it's a slippery slope that can take me to the edge of and even over the cliff.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 2:30 pm
My husband often says that rationalization is disobediences best friend. The rationale of "good vampires" is alarming to me. The Word of God says that only God is good (Mark 10:18). We are incapable of goodness apart from God. All goodness in this world is God's goodness...tell me how the goodness of God is in the Twilight series? Is the good news of Jesus Christ in the Twilight series? How does it edify the body of Christ? Based on the mixed reactions, my guess is that it doesn't edify at all, but tear down and bring division...
I am thankful for all the wisdom I've received through this blog. Thanks Erin and Revive our Hearts!
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I have been living under the rock for 38 years. I am a wife of 15 years and a mother of four beautiful boys. I love living life. I go shopping frequently and I enjoy having fun with my family. I guess I am not very observant. To really shock you all out there I don't even know what a vampire really is.!!!!! I have lived for 38 years without out knowing and I plan on living that way until God comes or calls me out of this world.
Moms who are protecting their children, from this kind of stuff, keep on protecting your children. They don't need this type of information in order to live in this world. I am so blessed to be under the protection of God. ("The Rock of my Salvation")
I just wanted to let moms know that you really can raise godly children in a fallen world. No, you can't do it on your own. You need to pray often and keep the Word of God before your children. Truely we will reap what we sow, if we faint not. Don't faint, keep looking up. Let Holy Spirit teach you the way to train your children. God's Word will never return void. Fill your children with truth and they will recognize evil when it is put before them. Trust me I am proof!!! I give God all the glory for protecting me and preserving my life. I also have a wonderful God-fearing mother who loves the Lord very much and wants the very best for her children.
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 3:09 pm
on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 3:48 pm
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 2:30 am
I agree with much of the blog post and I'm so glad that people are actively considering and discussing the Twilight series. I've read the books and seen the first film. But things are rarely as clear cut as they might seem, and there are some definite good points to the books:
- Edward's actions are motivated by his love for Bella and his desire to protect her
- They don't have sex before marriage! When I read the books, it was so refreshing to read literature where the protagonists don't sleep around.
- Bella refuses to have an abortion in the fourth book.
- There is no blasphemy in the books, neither is there drunken behaviour.
- There is a continuing theme of self-control and self-restraint running through all the books, which is highly unusual in today's 'have-it-now' culture.
- The underlying premise of the books is the sanctity of life - the vampires turn against their natural inclinations out of respect for the value of human life
I'm not trying to suggest that these positives negate the problems with the series. But I do want to draw attention to some of the good points of the books, because I think this issue is incredibly complex.
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 4:41 am
I am noticing a trend:
Group that has read the book = good story, positive morals, no blood and gore type violence, abstaining from sex until marraige, etc.
Group that hasn't read the book = vampire story, evil, dark and brooding, misleading, etc.
I don't condemn anyone who doesn't desire to read the books because they have no interest in that genre, but I can say I was very hesitant to read them because I wasn't into the vampire thing, until my sisters told me about the real story within, one of whom is a youth group leader. So I gave it a chance, and was pleasantly surprised at how good the books were.
It's not a vampire story as much as it is a love story involving vampires and werewolves. It's fantasy, similar to C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien, both writers of whom I have had to defend to christians who also at one time were negatively talking about something they knew little about and were judging both The Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia when the movies were released. My dad refused to watch The Lord of the Rings because he thought it was a fantasy story and knew little of the history of the author and the story.
I would like to point out exactly what it is in the Twilight series I liked best:
1. A struggle within the vampire family of "what" they are, and "who" they are. "What" being evil and monstrous by design, and "who" being a desire to be good, do good, and retain a consience about how they affect others. "What" we are, are sinners, and "who" we are, are children of the God who created the entire universe.
2. Purity, no sex until marraige.
3. Strong Pro-Life message in a time when the pregnancy comes very close to killing the mother, which was expected from the beginning of the pregnancy, she refused to abort regardless. (To Those Who Are So Quick To Condemn The Books, I Am Sure This Is Quite Surprising!!!!)
4. Clean language
5. Little violence, mostly action and fighting between good and evil, little blood and gore.
6. Love demands sacrifices, and sometimes those sacrifices are great and painful and necessary, in all areas of love, including between children and parents, and in friendship.
If I had any problem with the books what-so-ever it would be that young girls would have an image that such an perfect man as Edward exists and is waiting on them in the future.
The appeal to young girls in these books is not the Bad Boy image. My sister and I even discussed that it may be bad for younger girls to get it in their head that such a Perfect Man exists, who is willing to be unconditionally selfless, and unconditionally love beyond reason, because real life doesn't work that way. Husbands have faults and marriages are work and require patience and forgiveness, and at times you have to fight your desires to be selfless for the other, whereas in the books, it comes naturally to Edward (the vampire) to do for Bella.
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 7:37 am
Thank you for your words. And thank you for praying that I have friends who help me in my Walk. I've been emailing a friend recently. She happened to bring up Twilight in the emails. Thought that was funny. I didn't tell her I'd been on here chatting about it. Anyway, at the end of emailing about the topic she said she was thankful to have a friend like me. It brings tears to my eyes just to tell you about her email.
Do you know how much her words mean to me? Her words give me the encouragement and courage to keep going and not just keep going, but to have a little joy in there as well. I guess I've always known the power of words, but as I go along I'm realizing more and more that there is such power in the tongue.
When the other dear friend I mentioned earlier speaks I feel so condemned and so much less of a Christian. She seems to have a way (indirectly) of grouping me in with those who are working for the devil. What do her words mean to me? I don't want to get out of bed in the morning. I'm defeated before I even get started...no matter how I try to live my life before the Lord there's always just one more thing I'm sort of doing or that one thing that I've done wrong that seals the deal.
Anyway, this post is starting to sound waaaay too dramatic. :)
Thank you again for your words. You're a boost. :)
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 9:40 am
God bless you!
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 10:16 am
I wasn't sure if I'm the one you were asking about a web blog or not since you asked a "Geena", but just in case I thought I'd ask.
on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 2:03 pm
When I hear christians like Nancy Liegh DeMoss talking I've come to adore the word (by Gods grace and emmence power). His words to us are so applicable, astoundingtly applicable. I say this because Nancy, through her series on Joshua in March through to May of this year, spoke a lot about our daily battle and how scripture illistrates a time when Moses went into a battle that the Lord sent him on to claim the land where the Amalakites lived and that he had to keep his arm up the whole time (which seemed quite odd in passing when one read the story) but how Aaron and Hur held up his hand so that he was able to fulfill Gods command. I'm not sure if Nancy drew this conclusion but what I got from it at that moment was: We all have things God wants us to do in our daily battle (as a side note, sometimes even our battles are strange seeming and that is what people use to argue them as pointless, which is a fallacy but I won't go on about that) and somtimes we just can't keep our perverbial arm up there... which is why He sends us our fellow christian sisters (or brothers in the case of a man... or hey even our children or husbands etc.) to HOLD US UP when we are TRYING (and of course!! often failing through our imperfections alone) to uphold Godly values.
Our battle is daily, and yep Genna there's always one more thing we need to work on, and that's just how how he refines us all (through our greatest moments of weakness, his strength becomes that much more apparent). What a glorious thing to have his attentive hand there, refining us, reviving us, drawing us nearer to Him with the gift of the desire to BE more like him. Is there any other greater purpose on earth? Nope.
So, when I choose to, say... watch a movie or pick up a book and my dear loving sister says; 'Jenny you've tried the world (many times) why not 'try God?' The gentle way of her words, the way the love light shines from her heart to her face and the softness of her words... those things tell me not to kick myself (so I'm down longer) but to open my 'heart' eyes and think about what I'm about to witness/willingly put into my mind. Like in one of my beloved favorite verses: Philipians 4:8,9 ...whatsoever things are true, ...whatsoever things are lovely... think on these things...9 and the God of peace shall be with you. When I've allowed myself a choice that I'm not 100% on, you know, say, I read something or viewed somthing, I can't unread or unsee those things but what I can do is repent if I later find it to have been something sinful and pray that the Lord will help me to 'have eyes to see, and ears to hear' what he's saying to me about what to put into my mind. Praying that Jesus will help me to 'see the sin' that I might not notice and with that sight, not go near to temptation, is a new prayer for me but one I value greatly.
Some people will say; 'She sounds God obsessed' and to that I'd sheepishly say; 'If only'. To my unknowing eye, Genna you appear to have a strong desire to please our Lord, a great place to be sister. And yes, I'll keep on praying He helps you 'have eyes to see, and ears to hear' all he has sent you and all he'd have you repent from... all he'd have you do etc. etc. Please him, love him, expect a battle and yes, expect him to send you someone to hold your arm up because when God, our God, the only God, sends you into battle, be rest assured he'll send you the tools (and or people(s) ) with which to fight.
God bless you.
Peace, love n' blessin's all, Happy Thanksgiving.
PS Yes, sisters, I talk far too much and yes, if you're wondering; I am praying for more meekness in this area (go ahead and pray this prayer with me and for me if you also find me far too wordy) please.
on Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 2:31 am
If there's an award for long windedness, I think I'd have a running chance!
on Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:31 am
I appreciate all the comments. I've learned from you all I suppose, but I do think we all need to be careful when we write things and say we've been "led" of the Lord to write or say something. To give such power to our own words is making them proclamation from the Lord in my opinion. As far as I know the Word of God is the only thing in writing that has been Inspired. From what I know from the Old Testament that was putting one's self in the place of a prophet. I'm not sure I'd want that on my shoulders.
I have a friend who is constantly being "led" with the things she does and says, but apparently she isn't being "led" not to disrespect her husband in public.
She always says things like, "The Lord told me", but she's not talking about what the Lord told her from the Bible. She's talking about people. For example, she might say, "The Lord told me that person wasn't good. He just showed me why." Well, that "person" was another Christian. For her to say, the Lord told her that person wasn't good--goes against God's Word if that person is a Christian. That means they are covered by the Blood of Christ and are now righteous.
Plus, and I'm not 100 percent sure, but in the Old Testament all the prophets who proclaimed the Words of God were men. Deborah was a judge, but she was an exception and stepped into the role because there weren't any men who would stand. It was actually a shame to Israel that she would be the judge.
That's not, of course, to say that a woman can't teach SS to other women. My point is there aren't any new words of God. To write and write and say that the Lord told you something can come across as if one has something extra to add.
I'm not talking about those who hope to encourage someone else like JENNY has for Genna or even the way the writer of the article has done it. The writer didn't say, "The Lord told me to add this to His Word."
I'm talking about those who come across as if the world must stop and listen because the Lord has sent me to sum it all up for you with what I write.
If I'm wrong in my opinion then I guess I'm wrong.
I just know I've been the victim of a lot of "The Lord has led me to tell you...." when the "telling" of something didn't lead me closer to the Lord, but served the emotional needs of the person doing the telling. Her words "showed" how she was right, not the Lord.
I know we all have areas to grow and would never presume that we have anything more than an opinion like anyone else. We need the Lord's leading within our own hearts. Plus, the Lord has put our husbands over us to help guide us. Do we really need to hang on every word of every person all the time? It's actually a problem that I DO have and it's taken me to a form of idolatry in some circumstances.
I hope this makes sense. I'm not directing this personally toward anyone on here.
Thanks.
on Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 9:01 am
As I always do I re-read something after I submit it.
If I came across too self-righteous in my above post please accept my apologies. I know we're all trying to do good.
I have learned a lot with all these comments on how my thinking toward others may not always be gracious enough. I've put myself in position that my life is so "pure" that I can judge the hearts, motives and actions of others. I'm really weary of that lifestyle. It's hard to find the balance of loving someone without condoning their actions. Don't we all know someone who is in an adulterous relationship that we have to be around during the holidays? How do we behave as Christians in love without patting them on the back for their new partner?
I guess I'm trying to learn to leave the convictions to the Lord since I don't have a talent for saying the right thing at the right time.
And I'm aware that the Bible teaches us to correct someone in love. It's been my experience though that not a lot of people have that ability. I envy those who have people in their lives who can do this for them OR who have this gift. It's especially hard in a format like this to express something in love when none of know each other or really know the struggles of our hearts.
Thanks for listening. :)
on Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 9:13 am
on Friday, November 27, 2009 at 12:25 am
thank you,
Michala
on Friday, November 27, 2009 at 9:42 pm
As strict as everyone is who has seen nothing of Twilight....
I have a friend who has the conviction to see nothing with cursing. She can't believe that Christians would subject themselves purposely to movies that have that type of language. That would do away with a ton of movies...even some of the ones mentioned on here that have a "good message". I agree with the person who said does everyone who hasn't anything to do with Twilight used the same scrutiny to judge other movies.
So what do we do? If my friend were to comment on everyone who sees movies with cursing and were to judge them as "professing" Christians (meaning there is doubt about their salvation or their closeness with the Lord) I doubt many of us would stand up to her opinion of our walk.
That's why I think we need to be careful about how we say things and proclaim that we're speaking for the Lord. We should be encouragers. Not saying we should condone, but did the writer of this article ask the question, "If someone goes near The Twilight series does that mean they're no longer saved?" I don't think she did.
Just a thought.
on Saturday, November 28, 2009 at 9:12 am
She refers flippantly several times in the movie about not caring about her soul, her logic is that since Edward is a "nice" guy then his soul is in no danger of damnation. Isnt our Christian belief that Christ is our salvation not how "good" we are.
As moms we should worry about these fundamental issues and not the fur and fangs they use to diguise them with. As an adult woman who has lost in love before I can watch this movie and think back on how I felt about life "ending" with out a boy, but our young daughters do not have the 20/20 vision. They are living it right now.
on Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 9:56 pm
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 7:41 am
Just thinking it through with the rest of the moms. :)
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 7:44 am
I asked the question why Paul says we are not to judge those who eat "meat offered to idols" and yet Revelation Chapter 2 repeatedly warns several churches (Thyatira/Sardis) of being involved with "things sacrificed to idols." This was confusing to me.
Our conclusion was that when the Corinthians were guilty of judging their brothers who were "eating meat offered to idols" that those brothers most likely didn't realize the meat had been offered to idols. In the market it was just meat. Others knew it was being re-sold after being offered to idols. It was possibly just something they happened to do and saw it as a way to save money on the cheaper meat. Some possibly did say "who cares if it's offered to idols ...the idol isn't real anyway." The point was made that in Revelation the warning was that the church was teaching and encouraging people to take part in things sacrificed to idols (and in fornication). In other words it was abusing the doctrine of grace and the freedom we have in Christ.
Paul's conclusion to the Corinthians was that IF meat offended the more sensitive brother then he would stay away from meat. With that conclusion in mind do we see that kind of love in our churches today? No, what we see is "They can't judge me!!!" (which is true.)and "I have my rights". (which is true).
So the spirit in which we approach one who is "eating meat" is important. We are not to judge their motive by condemning them. However the way in which we respond to those who are more sensitive is important too. We are not to despise them because they have been offended by our meat eating.
I've seen judging and despising on both sides of the isle on this issue. In the end would I be willing to forgo my "freedom" to go to "Twilight" because it is questionable in the eyes of a sister in Christ? Or perhaps she came out of the occult and can't see how I could even look at a movie like that. Should I love the conscience of my sister in Christ more than I love a book or a movie? I think Paul's conclusion would be YES ....love your sister in Christ more than your freedom to read a book or to see a movie. And those who's conscience cannot let them read the books or see the movies should love those who can without condemning them.
And to bring in the warnings from the book of Revelation....we must all be careful not to abuse the doctrine of grace and the freedom we have in Christ. Though we will answer to God only for ourselves we must be careful not to encourage others to partake in freedom's that could cause them to stumble or offend their conscience toward God.
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 9:51 am
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post. However, I haven't heard of anyone coming out of the occult writing articles on how the Twilight series is leading them astray. Nothing can separate them from the Love of Christ.
We should all be careful of what we do in front of others. I do agree that we should be making sacrifices in order to set a good example, but as a person's Walk matures we should all be looking to Christ example and not the example of others, but I'll contradict myself by saying that I DO look to others all the time for my example. The problem I have by looking to others for my example is that I have the tendency of falling into a sense of idolatry by turning to others to tell me what I should believe instead of turning to the Lord. And, I've had friends in the past who certainly knew what I should be doing with my life. What I noticed about the friends who were so willing to give advice is that "sin" to them just happened to be what they were NOT doing at the time. With one friend in particular, everyone else was being "used by Satan to bring her down." including her best friend (who just happened to be me). What hurt so very much is that although she was allowed to make mistakes I certainly wasn't nor was anyone else who crossed this friend's path.
This friend constantly belittles her husband to the point that the children have little to no respect for their father. At least this has been my observation when I've been around the family. She also speaks ill of everyone who has disagreed with her to the point of saying that "The Lord is showing me that I don't need to be around that person."
I suppose my point is that I've been hurt soooo many times by those who had "good intentions" by telling me how I've been in error, yet their life exposed imperfections with their own Walk. I've felt like telling my friend..."You might want to clean up your own act before telling me how awful of a Christian I am." If we wait to clean up our own act then I doubt any of us would speak at all. I know I certainly wouldn't. I have so many beams in my own eye that I can't see to tell others about the beam in their eye.
I truly don't like the vampire theme so I'm not going to defend it. I've just heard so many people who are Christians and have actually read the books say/write that they've found nothing wrong with them. I didn't hear so much talk like that with the Harry Potter series, nor have I heard anyone be up in arms with Star Wars, or Disney stuff.
I just don't have the heart to use the Twilight Series to question someone's salvation.
I respect all the ladies who have posted and don't disagree with anyone for or against. :)
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 11:01 am
I hope you don't mind my saying you sound like you've been on the same bus as Genna. And like myself you strongly recognize your own sinful nature to the point that you find it very hard to be pointing at others. Which is where I think we need to be as christian women because as soon as we flip that coin of humbleness, what have we become? I know that at times I don't speak when I should, mostly out of fear that the person will get upset. I try to 'love of Christ' it out of people. Approach them so lovingly that it catches them off gaurd (those who come correcting harshly). But rarely do I approach that sort, mostly because I'm intimidated by that kind of 'holiness' and secondly because I think who am I to guide anyone.
I've enjoyed reading your coments Cheryl.
As for Twillight, I think that any entertainment has to be seen for what it is; mostly distracting from our walk. Unless of course it's clearly lableled as christian entertainment... and even in those cases it's best to be watchful, in order to honor the Lord with our worship our 'idol' time might be best spent...where do you think ladies? ;c) How much do we want to be all out for the Lord? It sure is hard. It sure is worth it, let's help one another like Aaron and Hur (was it Hur) did for Moses.
I hope what I said made sense, was godly and loving, that's how I desprately strive to go.
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Thanks. I really do think I love you. Ha ha.
Is there anyway I can get my email address to you so that I can email you more privately. I do have more of my heart that I want to share. You seem so open.
I think we're on the exact page although I know I probably don't come across as if I am.
I may get to check back here later or it may be a day or two.
Oh and yes, sounds like Genna and I bought our tickets from the same bus station. :)
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 1:18 pm
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Is a person a Christian or not? How does one become a Christian and how does it get taken away or can it get taken away? If salvation can't be taken away then why insinuate that one's holy Christian life shows most when one avoids Twilight? A Christian life is not always visible to another's magnifying glass. So if one would judge holy or not based on a single book/movie then perhaps one gossipy conversation could do the same and settle the matter of our Christianity.
I don't have a problem with saying I like or don't like a movie, but I do have a problem telling someone that they're holy if they don't watch it. That's putting a lot of faith in restrainst.
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 3:54 pm
In return little Johnny grows up to think that everything must be handed to him and that his mom and dad are there to listen to his pointless mouth.
Little girls have always dreamed of the strong manly man who will take care of them--sorry feminists, but that one fact remains and is timeless.
To be fair, girls aren't what they're suppose to be either. They are mouthy, disrespectful and also have a sense of entitlement. Don't dare look at them the wrong way or you'll get the raised eyebrow and the up and down look that says, "I'm way better than you."
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 4:13 pm
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I thought in one of your post you had referenced a blog but I never saw a link to your blog. I guess you don't have one. Maybe it was a reference to your other "post". Either way, I was going to go to your blog. That's why I posted a request for the link to your blog. (Maybe you should start one ...with Jenny and Cheryl.) : )
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm
http://www.windsorstar.com/Jarvis+Twisted+Twilight/2284946/story.html
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 5:13 pm
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Ha ha. Do I detect just a wee bit of sarcasm? :)
Just joking. I probably wouldn't start a blog. I don't give myself that much credit for having the wisdom to advise anyone else.
I'm sure I've come across as if I defend the whole Twilight thing, but I really don't. There isn't one movie that I'd ever hold up and say it is a "must see" perfect movie. I guess Fireproof would be an exception and there are a handful of good movies I've seen that I wouldn't be ashamed to admit that I've watched. I never tell anyone that they should see a movie--not even the Twilight movies. I've seen the first one, but since it's not perfect I won't promote it.
Are any movies perfect for that matter. I was all about seeing Fireproof and even recommended it-then someone said that at the end even though the main character has his wife stand in for the kiss he still gives the impression that it's not his real wife--
See, I can't win most of the time. :)
The hurt I've had in the past with advice, etc. is from people who are so sure I'm wrong that they hint and tell me their opinion and then bring God into the equation as if they're speaking for Him, when actually they're just trying to "win" a discussion.
It works with me and I end up letting others control my decisions when I should've gone to God.
Does that make sense?
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Should I be concerned about my learning (as a Christian) when I learn something from this type of communication? Well, I'll confess and say I have. If I haven't really learned anything at least there is a stirring of the brain cells. I don't think I'm as worn out as I was when I started. I can tell others have used this site to sort out some thoughts.
I don't want to be wrong about anything when it comes to my Walk with the Lord, but I do have to believe that He can use my lack of perfection to show me a better way. When I am weak, HE is strong.
I'm glad God is gentle and kind toward me. When He convicts I'm always eager to start a new day to try out the new way of Walking.
on Monday, November 30, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Cheryll, I'll write to ROH and mention that you wrote here that you'd like to trade email addy's (as soon as time permits, plus Lord willing my short term memory lasts that long) and voila, Lord willing, that'll do the trick privately. :c) I was actually concidering asking you and Geena that very same question only, since that takes guts... I didn't type it out loud (so to speak). Glad you said it as it was my hope too!!
Beth, what you said, I found encouraging and lovely to read. Thanks for putting it here.
There are so many wonderful things and thoughts in here I am glad when I've a minute to see them.
The thoughts here on Titus 2 (in the on going blogs) and the thoughts Nancy spoke of the week of Thanksgiving together have made such a difference in my life, I'm just bursting with a thankful heart lately. Praise Jesus. I love the moments when it seems like the Lord is blowing the dust off his latest refinement of me. I often worry I'm far to much of a bother for my Lord. I'm so thankful for Godly women and his beautiful word coming together in this precious way.
Peace, love n' blessings all.
on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 at 4:16 am
You could call your blog "Haven't arrived yet!" ...and no I'm not being sarcastic ...it would be different because most bloggers think they have arrived! That's why they are blogging. LOL. (Oh no, there I go judging again....eek!) :)
Have a great day. Got to go try to redeem my time and get off the computer!
on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 at 9:11 am
You are a neat person. I really don't think you were being sarcastic at all. If you were it was in a fun way.
"Haven't arrived yet!" would be a good title for a blog.
Of that blog I could be the CEO & President. :)
I wish there was a place on this blog that one could chat.
I heard an interesting review of a movie a few minutes ago on the radio. I'd like to discuss the review, but I wouldn't want to bog down this blog. Oh well.
Hope you're having a lovely day. <3 :)
on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm
What I meant was--it would be neat if there was a chat at this blog. That way I wouldn't bog down this PART of the blog that is for the Twilight article.
Did that make more sense? :) :)
on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 at 1:53 pm
on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Yeah I'm still here. Ask them to use the one with this particular post and see if it works. :)
TTYL
on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm
While I do see your point, I have to disagree with your standpoint on these particular books. While I definitely agree that the vampire craze can be dangerous for girls, I did not see Twilight as being a series focused on vamprisim, but rather the story of a girl who is fighting for love.
You mentioned the ease with which girls are drawn in to this "dangerous" idea. As an English major who has discussed many times the various devices of the Twilight series, I would like to explain why this is the case. Girls do not love Edward because he is a vampire, nor do the love Jacob because he is a shirtless werewolf. They love them because Bella is an "empty character". This means that she is void to an extent that the reader is able to feel that they are Bella. Thus, they feel that both men are in love with them. Of course, this is not in a literal sense, but rather, they are able to connect emotionally very deeply with these characters because of the style of the book. Again, this is not because Edward and Jacob are "bad boys", but simply because of the writing.
As a Christian, I was also struck by the strong abstinence message of the books. Edward, whom you so easily dub a "bad boy", refuses to have intercourse with Bella before marriage. This is never portrayed as bad, but rather glorified in the series. He is quite staunch about this view.
If you would like to specifically address the craze over vampires, I would agree that it is dangerous. Vampires are scary and violent creatures in their usual depictions. There is nothing "sexy" about an undead creature that survives by killing others. However, the glorified vampires of the Twilight series survive off of the blood of animals. To say that that this is wrong would be comparable to saying that eating a hamburger is wrong. (Admittedly, some do think that eating meat wrong, but I think you understand where I'm going with that!) Additionally, any vampires in the series who survive off of human blood come into conflict with the Cullens because of their lifestyle, and each time, they lose the battle. This depiction reminds us that in the battle between good and evil, good triumphs.
In conclusion, I would like to say that, while your podium of disapproving of vampires is valid, this specific facet of your argument is troublesome. I hope that you will consider my comments and reconsider your distaste for the Twilight series.
on Friday, December 4, 2009 at 1:14 am
Just think a mother in a long ago time was saying I would never let my young daughter see that new William Shakespere production.
ps. I love Will S., the heaviest book in my house is the Yale Complete Works and yes I use it for more then a door stopper.
on Monday, December 7, 2009 at 10:41 pm
on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I know this is going to sound pathetic but I haven't been able to work up the courage to go and ask for help from ROH a second time. Would you be up to doing it?
All I did was cut and paste where you'd said you'd like to get in touch and told them I'd like to. And then the person I contacted just got one of the teckies (sp?) to attempt contacting you. I felt bad when it didn't work because it took going through two or more people to get that part done (plus two or three emails). Complicated.
I still would like to be a 'pen pal' of yours so... maybe you have more hutzpah than I do? (hootzpah doesn't have any bad connotation does it?). I just mean guts and lack of shyness.
Susan... I agree with both you n' Cheryl. Plus also about the time problem thing. Only other problem is a chat room would mean a need for monitering... so it might not be in the budget at all.
on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at 3:13 am
Yeah I'll ask the ROH. Maybe it'd work 'cause I'd like to be pen pals also. Give me a little while. I need to get off the computer for now.
I'll look forward to getting to talk more with you.
Have a great day! TTYL
on Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:27 am
I think you're right. A chat place could cause more problems than solve them. :) It's been good chatting with you on here anyway. :) TTYL
LAURA,
I appreciate your comments. It's good to get different points of view. I guess it's like iron sharpening iron.
Hope you're having a great day.
on Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:28 am
on Friday, January 8, 2010 at 10:05 am
I don't know if you're still reading the comments on here, but I just contacted the ROH so they can sent you my email address. Hope it works out and I can hear from you soon. TTYL
on Friday, January 15, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Don't sell your soul for one night. Actually, don't sell your soul at all. Give it to Jesus, then wait and keep your eyes open for your match made in Heaven--if you're old enough for that just yet.
on Friday, January 15, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Yes, I do look about as I find it very encouraging reading old and new posts, listening to Nancy's talks...etc, the teachings here are so rich (I find this to be a healthy pastime as I have (near) daily insomnia).
I hope that Tammy (from ROH) finds it easy to get us in touch. I still fondly think of our run on conversations here. :c)
Peace, love n' blessings to you.
on Saturday, January 16, 2010 at 3:16 am
I'm so glad you saw my message. Yes, I hope ROH finds it easy also.
It'll be rewarding to have you as a pen-pal. As odd as it may sound I do believe this forum has helped me to grow. I was just looking over some of the past conversations on here yesterday and realized how glad I am to have been a part of it.
TTYL.
Peace, Love & Blessings to you 2 ~ :)
on Saturday, January 16, 2010 at 2:07 pm